The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[Kubumba Tribe]

Thanks for asking - I have been trying to find out if there is an official name for this debating strategy - where one pretends to not understand an opponent - since it is insanely popular amongst muslims.

So what is it called ? And do you grin malevolently like a grand vizier whenever you use it ?

Unnecessary generalisation much?

^The same thing that I'm thinking

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Oh, speaking of Khalid ibn Walid, did you know that he was fired as a commander because of predestination? Umar wanted to keep the people from thinking Khalid was responsible for victories instead of Allah. But free will, amirite?

That's not why Kihalid bin Walid RA was relieved of his duty. It's because 'Umar RA was arrogance in Walid RA, that's why he fired him.

K but you wrong, tho. Umar said "I have not dismissed Khalid because of my anger or because of any dishonesty on his part, but because people glorified him and were misled. I feared that people would rely on him. I want them to know that it is Allah who give us victory; and there should be no mischief in the land."

Umar is literally stating Khalid was not fired because he did anything wrong.

[Kubumba Tribe]

That's not why Kihalid bin Walid RA was relieved of his duty. It's because 'Umar RA was arrogance in Walid RA, that's why he fired him.

K but you wrong, tho. Umar said "I have not dismissed Khalid because of my anger or because of any dishonesty on his part, but because people glorified him and were misled. I feared that people would rely on him. I want them to know that it is Allah who give us victory; and there should be no mischief in the land."

Umar is literally stating Khalid was not fired because he did anything wrong.

Can you show me the Hadith?

[Kubumba Tribe]

What are you talking about? I said a jihadist didn't do this, not that it's not more likely that a Muslim terrorist would do this. Also, looking at the Muslim European population and saying "Yeah it was probs them" is prejudiced.

Well their religious book does tell them to kill infidels.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=kub ... id=1115207:

Jihad
http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/unders ... ml?start=9
https://sunnah.com/urn/1276900
https://sunnah.com/urn/409900
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AmcCrq6fIr0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=klFib4nid7g
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2eR-ljgwTTA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fD9VrPfk028
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t0smqx_Cen4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kVfftHFDXko
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0cK4PVGa6d8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ypNCRK5SloM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nRajIIDcTJk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yRP7m68ZDVY)
Watch the links inside the parentheses consecutively, they are parts 1 - 8.

[Kubumba Tribe]

There are some legitimately terrible laws in Islam.

some parts of the religion are awful.

False.

[Kowani]

There are some legitimately terrible laws in Islam.

some parts of the religion are awful.

False.

Remind me, what does the Qu’ran say about women bearing witness?

[Kubumba Tribe]

White people don't have a holy book telling to kill people.
Nationalists are different in size, shape and form.

Christians have already stopped when we separated Church and State.

I'm an white atheist.

my dude. Cool it. Only the radical fundamentalists branch of Islam tries to wreak holy war.

Actually holy war is part of Al-Islam. Just...not as much much as Muslim terrorists think.

[Kubumba Tribe]

False.

Remind me, what does the Qu’ran say about women bearing witness?

What do you mean?

[Kubumba Tribe]

It still does. I was on a research mission there this summer, they live in utter squalor.

Lebanon, the nation where sharia only applies to Muslims. Because otherwise it would be in a civil war. Again. You left out Jordan, suprisingly.

Lebanon doesn't have 100% Shari'ah.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Muslims come with a book telling them to kill gays.

No we don't.

[Kubumba Tribe]

So you're saying every Muslim in the ME is a terrorist? I don't think so, buddy.

I never said that. Their book tells them to be terrorists tho.

No it doesn't.

(since these countries already apply the Sharia)

Not 100%

[Kubumba Tribe]

Anyone who's talking about Allah SWT go here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=445882

Once is not custom, but I have to agree. Neither Jesus, nor Allah, nor God, nor Yahweh are in Strasbourg. So.

Allah/God/YHWH SWT is.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Jihad isn't political.

That's debatable. Give me your reasons why not.

Jihad is the Arabic word for "struggle". In the Islamic context it means "struggle for the cause Allah SWT". Anything in life that you are struggling for in order to get closer to Allah SWT is jihad.

[Balnik]

That's debatable. Give me your reasons why not.

Jihad is the Arabic word for "struggle". In the Islamic context it means "struggle for the cause Allah SWT". Anything in life that you are struggling for in order to get closer to Allah SWT is jihad.

That's one definition. You're missing the other.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jihad

[Kubumba Tribe]

Jihad is the Arabic word for "struggle". In the Islamic context it means "struggle for the cause Allah SWT". Anything in life that you are struggling for in order to get closer to Allah SWT is jihad.

That's one definition. You're missing the other.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jihad

That's pretty much what I said.

[Balnik]

That's one definition. You're missing the other.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jihad

That's pretty much what I said.

Did you miss this part?

"a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty"

"a crusade for a principle or belief"

[Kubumba Tribe]

That's pretty much what I said.

Did you miss this part?

"a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty"

"a crusade for a principle or belief"

Yeah, like I said, pretty much what I said.

Who said that Kannap was ever Islamic, or "submitted"?

I don't advocate for their genocide, so clearly I submit to Islam, waiting patiently for them to arrive on my doorstep as if they've adopted a Jehovah's Witnesses policy of making house calls.

My masjid actually does door-to-door da'wah

[Kubumba Tribe]

There are Pro-LGBT muslims.

But the religion itself isn't Pro-LGBT. They just choose to ignore it, just like most christians ignore that you can't mix fabrics.

I've not mentioned this entire thread that I believe Islam is a pro-LGBT religion. I've simply stated that I cannot hate all Muslims because religion is a complex thing that leaves room for interpretation and different beliefs to be believed underneath it. Take any Bible verse and there can be as many interpretations as there are people to read it, same goes for the religious texts of Judaism and Islam.

Not so much in the case for Al-Islam.

[Jolthig]

Assalaam o alakium, brothers and sisters. I am back after a week long break. How is everyone?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Assalaam o alakium, brothers and sisters. I am back after a week long break. How is everyone?

Wa'Alaikum Assalam. I'm good AlHamdulillah, wbu?

[Jolthig]

Jihad is the Arabic word for "struggle". In the Islamic context it means "struggle for the cause Allah SWT". Anything in life that you are struggling for in order to get closer to Allah SWT is jihad.

That's one definition. You're missing the other.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jihad

"Struggle" which also applies to war. So what you're saying to Amin is a bit unnecessary as he literally said "Anything in life". Religious war is also included. Especially historically.

[Jolthig]

Assalaam o alakium, brothers and sisters. I am back after a week long break. How is everyone?

Wa'Alaikum Assalam. I'm good AlHamdulillah, wbu?

Good.

Just studying Islam and philosophy.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

K but you wrong, tho. Umar said "I have not dismissed Khalid because of my anger or because of any dishonesty on his part, but because people glorified him and were misled. I feared that people would rely on him. I want them to know that it is Allah who give us victory; and there should be no mischief in the land."

Umar is literally stating Khalid was not fired because he did anything wrong.

Can you show me the Hadith?

It's a quote from Khalid ibn al-Walid's biography by Agha Ibrahim Akram.

Well their religious book does tell them to kill infidels.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=kub ... id=1115207:

Jihad
http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/unders ... ml?start=9
https://sunnah.com/urn/1276900
https://sunnah.com/urn/409900
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AmcCrq6fIr0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=klFib4nid7g
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2eR-ljgwTTA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fD9VrPfk028
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t0smqx_Cen4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kVfftHFDXko
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0cK4PVGa6d8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ypNCRK5SloM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nRajIIDcTJk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yRP7m68ZDVY)
Watch the links inside the parentheses consecutively, they are parts 1 - 8.

It still says to kill unbelievers, mate. And the sahih ahadith repeat that quite frequently.

Muslims come with a book telling them to kill gays.

No we don't.

I mean, the ahadith are in books and they say that so...

I've not mentioned this entire thread that I believe Islam is a pro-LGBT religion. I've simply stated that I cannot hate all Muslims because religion is a complex thing that leaves room for interpretation and different beliefs to be believed underneath it. Take any Bible verse and there can be as many interpretations as there are people to read it, same goes for the religious texts of Judaism and Islam.

Not so much in the case for Al-Islam.

Yes, for Islam. There are many madhhabs and such for a reason: because people have different interpretations.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

That's one definition. You're missing the other.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jihad

"Struggle" which also applies to war. So what you're saying to Amin is a bit unnecessary as he literally said "Anything in life". Religious war is also included. Especially historically.

Ahmadis reject all violent jihad, though, right?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Yes, for Islam. There are many madhhabs and such for a reason: because people have different interpretations.

Most don't stray fat from the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah tho.