The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[Khataiy]

It is clearly impossible to disprove God, but I could easily create a list of proofs for Islam and Allah but I'm not interested in entertaining that but I am interested spreading awareness that it is impossible to disprove God and the fact you don't even fully deny Allah's existence and that within itself is a proof of Allah

You could provide proofs that God exists, but usually such proof is worthless since scientific proof disproves it.
And under science, if you can't prove God, you also can't assume he exists.

Not at all multiple prophecies of Muhammad have come true things he couldn't have possibly known yet we see today

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Wow. Now, who's dodging? I never denied your god's existence. I specifically said that it is a possibility. Why would I have to provide proof for such?

It is clearly impossible to disprove God, but I could easily create a list of proofs for Islam and Allah but I'm not interested in entertaining that but I am interested spreading awareness that it is impossible to disprove God and the fact you don't even fully deny Allah's existence and that within itself is a proof of Allah

Ah. So, you totes can prove Allah but you're not gonna cos you don't feel like it? Based.

Did he say Muhammad? He said a man. Plenty of early Muslims knew how to write.

Khalid ibn Walid said:
"Blessings to the those who accept Islam after Muhammad, for they haven't seen the miracles we have."

Oh, speaking of Khalid ibn Walid, did you know that he was fired as a commander because of predestination? Umar wanted to keep the people from thinking Khalid was responsible for victories instead of Allah. But free will, amirite?

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Uh... no. It's pretty specific Maturidi thought that all actions have already been laid out by God.

Also, lol @using Sheikh Ibn Baz as an actual support for your argument. Based.

The Athari'i accept this position as do the Ashari'i it is just a matter of presentation and wording

lol wat

[Valgora]

You could provide proofs that God exists, but usually such proof is worthless since scientific proof disproves it.
And under science, if you can't prove God, you also can't assume he exists.

Not at all multiple prophecies of Muhammad have come true things he couldn't have possibly known yet we see today

Care to provide proof?

And just because Muhammad predicted some stuff doesn't mean that it out weighs science.

[Khataiy]

It is clearly impossible to disprove God, but I could easily create a list of proofs for Islam and Allah but I'm not interested in entertaining that but I am interested spreading awareness that it is impossible to disprove God and the fact you don't even fully deny Allah's existence and that within itself is a proof of Allah

Ah. So, you totes can prove Allah but you're not gonna cos you don't feel like it? Based.

Khalid ibn Walid said:
"Blessings to the those who accept Islam after Muhammad, for they haven't seen the miracles we have."

Oh, speaking of Khalid ibn Walid, did you know that he was fired as a commander because of predestination? Umar wanted to keep the people from thinking Khalid was responsible for victories instead of Allah. But free will, amirite?

I know he was fired, and Muhammad even condemned him for massacring a tribe but that's irrelevant to this discussion, just take a minuet to analyze and appreciate this quote of his, he was a witness to things that none of us were and he admits in a way had he not seen them it'd be hard for him to accept Islam, he went from being an opponent of Muhammad and hateful of Allah to being a companion of the Prophet and a worshiper of Allah

[Kowani]

Wow. Now, who's dodging? I never denied your god's existence. I specifically said that it is a possibility. Why would I have to provide proof for such?

It is clearly impossible to disprove God, but I could easily create a list of proofs for Islam and Allah but I'm not interested in entertaining that but I am interested spreading awareness that it is impossible to disprove God and the fact you don't even fully deny Allah's existence and that within itself is a proof of Allah

Science hasn’t disproved God. Science has made it necessary for God to prove his own existence.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Ah. So, you totes can prove Allah but you're not gonna cos you don't feel like it? Based.


Oh, speaking of Khalid ibn Walid, did you know that he was fired as a commander because of predestination? Umar wanted to keep the people from thinking Khalid was responsible for victories instead of Allah. But free will, amirite?

I know he was fired, and Muhammad even condemned him for massacring a tribe but that's irrelevant to this discussion, just take a minuet to analyze and appreciate this quote of his, he was a witness to things that none of us were and he admits in a way had he not seen them it'd be hard for him to accept Islam, he went from being an opponent of Muhammad and hateful of Allah to being a companion of the Prophet and a worshiper of Allah

How exactly is the reasoning behind his firing irrelevant lol? Umar literally fired him because he wanted to assert that everything happens because Allah made it so. That's pretty central to our discussion. If anything, you're bringing up irrelevant shit by mentioning some tribe he massacred lol.

As for the quote... yay you, I guess? What do you want me to say? Congrats on blindly following something because some book said it 1,400 years ago?

[Khataiy]

Not at all multiple prophecies of Muhammad have come true things he couldn't have possibly known yet we see today

Care to provide proof?

And just because Muhammad predicted some stuff doesn't mean that it out weighs science.

Muhammad said that before the final hour the Arabs will compete to build large buildings and we can all see Dubai, Kuwait Doha etc
He also said there would be great rejection of Hadiths and today Hadiths are disputed on large scales and people call themselves Quranists rejecting them.
He also said women will appear naked despite their being dressed and this was very uncommon even prior to Islam
He also predicted despite the rise of Islam, The rise of idolatry and polytheists in the community and there are movements of Neo-Pagans, Gnostics, and New age religions that fit well into that category
Among his other predictions include mass fornication comparing it to animals which prior to Islam was also uncommon and condemned but today accepted and common.

This doesn't defy science at all

[Khataiy]

It is clearly impossible to disprove God, but I could easily create a list of proofs for Islam and Allah but I'm not interested in entertaining that but I am interested spreading awareness that it is impossible to disprove God and the fact you don't even fully deny Allah's existence and that within itself is a proof of Allah

Science hasn’t disproved God. Science has made it necessary for God to prove his own existence.

God doesn't need anything we need him

[Valgora]

Science hasn’t disproved God. Science has made it necessary for God to prove his own existence.

God doesn't need anything we need him

We really don't.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Care to provide proof?

And just because Muhammad predicted some stuff doesn't mean that it out weighs science.

Muhammad said that before the final hour the Arabs will compete to build large buildings and we can all see Dubai, Kuwait Doha etc
He also said there would be great rejection of Hadiths and today Hadiths are disputed on large scales and people call themselves Quranists rejecting them.
He also said women will appear naked despite their being dressed and this was very uncommon even prior to Islam
He also predicted despite the rise of Islam, The rise of idolatry and polytheists in the community and there are movements of Neo-Pagans, Gnostics, and New age religions that fit well into that category
Among his other predictions include mass fornication comparing it to animals which prior to Islam was also uncommon and condemned but today accepted and common.

This doesn't defy science at all

Muhammad predicted society progressing?! Whoa! How neat! Not like any 2 bit psychic can't make some vague prediction and have it come true.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Science hasn’t disproved God. Science has made it necessary for God to prove his own existence.

God doesn't need anything we need him

I'm good. My god treats me well enough, tho. Thanks.

[Khataiy]

I know he was fired, and Muhammad even condemned him for massacring a tribe but that's irrelevant to this discussion, just take a minuet to analyze and appreciate this quote of his, he was a witness to things that none of us were and he admits in a way had he not seen them it'd be hard for him to accept Islam, he went from being an opponent of Muhammad and hateful of Allah to being a companion of the Prophet and a worshiper of Allah

How exactly is the reasoning behind his firing irrelevant lol? Umar literally fired him because he wanted to assert that everything happens because Allah made it so. That's pretty central to our discussion. If anything, you're bringing up irrelevant shit by mentioning some tribe he massacred lol.

As for the quote... yay you, I guess? What do you want me to say? Congrats on blindly following something because some book said it 1,400 years ago?

Umar Ibn Khattab had a good reason to relieve him of his post as Commander and it was done with a noble reason to prove that we do not need men, equipment or anything to be successful but rather need to rely on God to be successful in this life and the next

[Khataiy]

Muhammad said that before the final hour the Arabs will compete to build large buildings and we can all see Dubai, Kuwait Doha etc
He also said there would be great rejection of Hadiths and today Hadiths are disputed on large scales and people call themselves Quranists rejecting them.
He also said women will appear naked despite their being dressed and this was very uncommon even prior to Islam
He also predicted despite the rise of Islam, The rise of idolatry and polytheists in the community and there are movements of Neo-Pagans, Gnostics, and New age religions that fit well into that category
Among his other predictions include mass fornication comparing it to animals which prior to Islam was also uncommon and condemned but today accepted and common.

This doesn't defy science at all

Muhammad predicted society progressing?! Whoa! How neat! Not like any 2 bit psychic can't make some vague prediction and have it come true.

Rather he predicted that in spite Islam being wide spread and held in high esteem that evil would still exist in this world deluding many people leaving only a few who are sincere, steadfast and firm in their faith and he said such a people will continue to exist until the final hour even if it is only one person.

[Valgora]

Care to provide proof?

And just because Muhammad predicted some stuff doesn't mean that it out weighs science.

Muhammad said that before the final hour the Arabs will compete to build large buildings and we can all see Dubai, Kuwait Doha etc
He also said there would be great rejection of Hadiths and today Hadiths are disputed on large scales and people call themselves Quranists rejecting them.
He also said women will appear naked despite their being dressed and this was very uncommon even prior to Islam
He also predicted despite the rise of Islam, The rise of idolatry and polytheists in the community and there are movements of Neo-Pagans, Gnostics, and New age religions that fit well into that category
Among his other predictions include mass fornication comparing it to animals which prior to Islam was also uncommon and condemned but today accepted and common.

This doesn't defy science at all

How can a woman appear naked despite being dressed?
If he said "rise of idolatry and polytheists in the community", he probably could have meant Islam. As far as I'm aware, Neo-paganism and such haven't become significant movements within Muslim communities.

And some dude making predictions that came true does not count as proof of God.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

How exactly is the reasoning behind his firing irrelevant lol? Umar literally fired him because he wanted to assert that everything happens because Allah made it so. That's pretty central to our discussion. If anything, you're bringing up irrelevant shit by mentioning some tribe he massacred lol.

As for the quote... yay you, I guess? What do you want me to say? Congrats on blindly following something because some book said it 1,400 years ago?

Umar Ibn Khattab had a good reason to relieve him of his post as Commander and it was done with a noble reason to prove that we do not need men, equipment or anything to be successful but rather need to rely on God to be successful in this life and the next

"You have done; And no man has done as you have done. But it is not people who do; It is Allah who does..."

It is not people who do. What happened to choice?

Also, no radhiallahu anhu for the sahabi? Astaghfirullah.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Muhammad predicted society progressing?! Whoa! How neat! Not like any 2 bit psychic can't make some vague prediction and have it come true.

Rather he predicted that in spite Islam being wide spread and held in high esteem that evil would still exist in this world deluding many people leaving only a few who are sincere, steadfast and firm in their faith and he said such a people will continue to exist until the final hour even if it is only one person.

"Held in high esteem" lel

Muhammad said that before the final hour the Arabs will compete to build large buildings and we can all see Dubai, Kuwait Doha etc
He also said there would be great rejection of Hadiths and today Hadiths are disputed on large scales and people call themselves Quranists rejecting them.
He also said women will appear naked despite their being dressed and this was very uncommon even prior to Islam
He also predicted despite the rise of Islam, The rise of idolatry and polytheists in the community and there are movements of Neo-Pagans, Gnostics, and New age religions that fit well into that category
Among his other predictions include mass fornication comparing it to animals which prior to Islam was also uncommon and condemned but today accepted and common.

This doesn't defy science at all

How can a woman appear naked despite being dressed?

A woman not wearing hijab or otherwise being dressed "immodestly" is comparable to being naked to most Muslims.

[Khataiy]

Muhammad said that before the final hour the Arabs will compete to build large buildings and we can all see Dubai, Kuwait Doha etc
He also said there would be great rejection of Hadiths and today Hadiths are disputed on large scales and people call themselves Quranists rejecting them.
He also said women will appear naked despite their being dressed and this was very uncommon even prior to Islam
He also predicted despite the rise of Islam, The rise of idolatry and polytheists in the community and there are movements of Neo-Pagans, Gnostics, and New age religions that fit well into that category
Among his other predictions include mass fornication comparing it to animals which prior to Islam was also uncommon and condemned but today accepted and common.

This doesn't defy science at all

How can a woman appear naked despite being dressed?
If he said "rise of idolatry and polytheists in the community", he probably could have meant Islam. As far as I'm aware, Neo-paganism and such haven't become significant movements within Muslim communities.

And some dude making predictions that came true does not count as proof of God.

Wearing clothes like extremely short shorts, clothing that is thin and shows undergarments, bikinis etc.

In Islam there are movements that accept idolatry, they build shrines, worship saints and dead people and so on some practices of Islam in India and Pakistan are examples of this

And is proof of God because God told him these things

[Sahansahiye Iran]

How can a woman appear naked despite being dressed?
If he said "rise of idolatry and polytheists in the community", he probably could have meant Islam. As far as I'm aware, Neo-paganism and such haven't become significant movements within Muslim communities.

And some dude making predictions that came true does not count as proof of God.

Wearing clothes like extremely short shorts, clothing that is thin and shows undergarments, bikinis etc.

In Islam there are movements that accept idolatry, they build shrines, worship saints and dead people and so on some practices of Islam in India and Pakistan are examples of this

And is proof of God because God told him these things

Are you Salafi/Wahhabi?

[Khataiy]

Umar Ibn Khattab had a good reason to relieve him of his post as Commander and it was done with a noble reason to prove that we do not need men, equipment or anything to be successful but rather need to rely on God to be successful in this life and the next

"You have done; And no man has done as you have done. But it is not people who do; It is Allah who does..."

It is not people who do. What happened to choice?

Also, no radhiallahu anhu for the sahabi? Astaghfirullah.

"Also, no radhiallahu anhu for the sahabi? Astaghfirullah." This is irrelevant but it is not obligatory in Islam to use honorifics but highly recommend

[Khataiy]

Wearing clothes like extremely short shorts, clothing that is thin and shows undergarments, bikinis etc.

In Islam there are movements that accept idolatry, they build shrines, worship saints and dead people and so on some practices of Islam in India and Pakistan are examples of this

And is proof of God because God told him these things

Are you Salafi/Wahhabi?

I am a normal Muslim

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Are you Salafi/Wahhabi?

I am a normal Muslim

Ah, yes. One of those. Cool.

"You have done; And no man has done as you have done. But it is not people who do; It is Allah who does..."

It is not people who do. What happened to choice?

Also, no radhiallahu anhu for the sahabi? Astaghfirullah.

"Also, no radhiallahu anhu for the sahabi? Astaghfirullah." This is irrelevant but it is not obligatory in Islam to use honorifics but highly recommend

No duh. So, why not do it? Was it just a slip of the mind?

[Valgora]

How can a woman appear naked despite being dressed?
If he said "rise of idolatry and polytheists in the community", he probably could have meant Islam. As far as I'm aware, Neo-paganism and such haven't become significant movements within Muslim communities.

And some dude making predictions that came true does not count as proof of God.

Wearing clothes like extremely short shorts, clothing that is thin and shows undergarments, bikinis etc.

None of those make women appear naked despite being dressed.

In Islam there are movements that accept idolatry, they build shrines, worship saints and dead people and so on some practices of Islam in India and Pakistan are examples of this

Can you provide some proof of such movements?

And is proof of God because God told him these things

Or he had hallucinations or simply just made predictions.

[Khataiy]

I am a normal Muslim

Ah, yes. One of those. Cool.

"Also, no radhiallahu anhu for the sahabi? Astaghfirullah." This is irrelevant but it is not obligatory in Islam to use honorifics but highly recommend

No duh. So, why not do it? Was it just a slip of the mind?

I don't know there isn't a particular reason why I do or don't use the honorifics

[Khataiy]

Wearing clothes like extremely short shorts, clothing that is thin and shows undergarments, bikinis etc.

None of those make women appear naked despite being dressed.

In Islam there are movements that accept idolatry, they build shrines, worship saints and dead people and so on some practices of Islam in India and Pakistan are examples of this

Can you provide some proof of such movements?

And is proof of God because God told him these things

Or he had hallucinations or simply just made predictions.

From your perspective no, but that goes back to the prediction of high immorality and its acceptance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barelvi

No he didn't