The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[Izaakia]

They can’t fight

If so, then why's ISIS almost dead?

The constant bombardment from NATO and Russian Jets. Iranian soldiers. It must be hard to defeat a guy with a Ak47 on the back of a pick up.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

If so, then why's ISIS almost dead?

The constant bombardment from NATO and Russian Jets. Iranian soldiers. It must be hard to defeat a guy with a Ak47 on the back of a pick up.

Iraq helped out, too:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 4514048886

[Sahansahiye Iran]

The constant bombardment from NATO and Russian Jets. Iranian soldiers. It must be hard to defeat a guy with a Ak47 on the back of a pick up.

Iraq helped out, too:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source= ... 4514048886

Yeah and Mexico helped in WWII. But could they have won the entire war themselves? Eh, no.

[Genivaria]

They can’t fight

If so, then why's ISIS almost dead?

Not because of Arab armies.

[Proctopeo]

I find it amusing that anyone believes the formation of a caliphate would be allowed. It’s too dangerous of a concept to be accepted by any of the worlds major powers.

We seek to please Allah, not ahlul kufr. If they wanna fight, we'll fight them.

Have fun losing, not only the war but probably the entire religion of Islam as well.

[Genivaria]

I find it amusing that anyone believes the formation of a caliphate would be allowed. It’s too dangerous of a concept to be accepted by any of the worlds major powers.

We seek to please Allah, not ahlul kufr. If they wanna fight, we'll fight them.

And you would lose hard. Seriously we have more trouble dealing insurgent terrorist groups then we do Arab standing armies.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

We seek to please Allah, not ahlul kufr. If they wanna fight, we'll fight them.

Have fun losing, not only the war but probably the entire religion of Islam as well.

The religion won't lose.

[Genivaria]

I find it amusing that anyone believes the formation of a caliphate would be allowed. It’s too dangerous of a concept to be accepted by any of the worlds major powers.

We seek to please Allah, not ahlul kufr. If they wanna fight, we'll fight them.

And you would lose hard. Seriously we have more trouble dealing insurgent terrorist groups then we do Arab standing armies.
Also relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZk4Yu42g0I

[Genivaria]

Have fun losing, not only the war but probably the entire religion of Islam as well.

The religion won't lose.

I mean if you somehow managed to unite the entire Middle East under a single banner of Islamism and then got your ass kicked it would essentially destroy the legitimacy of Islam as something to rally around.
It's the real life equivalent of low Moral Authority in CK2.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

The religion won't lose.

I mean if you somehow managed to unite the entire Middle East under a single banner of Islamism and then got kicked it would essentially destroy the legitimacy of Islam as something to rally around.

That depends on a Muslim's imaan.

[Genivaria]

I mean if you somehow managed to unite the entire Middle East under a single banner of Islamism and then got kicked it would essentially destroy the legitimacy of Islam as something to rally around.

That depends on a Muslim's imaan.

What does?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

That depends on a Muslim's imaan.

What does?

The legitimacy of rallying behind Al-Islam. Good Muslims always rally behind Allah SWT no matter what.

[Proctopeo]

Have fun losing, not only the war but probably the entire religion of Islam as well.

The religion won't lose.

Depends on how extensive the war is.
If it's only the Middle East fighting for a Caliphate, Islam as a whole will be fine, although Mecca (and Medina) would likely be made an international city, to basically nullify the thought of another Caliphate for good. And, of course, attitudes towards Islam globally would definitely be far worsened, and converts from Islam to other religions would see a major spike. But Islam, the religion, would survive as more than just history.
The entire Muslim world (bar Albania and Bosnia who, even if the rest of the Muslim world were on board, wouldn't join in)? Yeah, Islam would likely be toast, or at least irreparably damaged and definitely moribund.

[Genivaria]

What does?

The legitimacy of rallying behind Al-Islam. Good Muslims always rally behind Allah SWT no matter what.

That's horribly naive.
This isn't really a controversial statement. If a regime has made itself recognized as THE representative of a religion or political ideology than their legitimacy is inherently linked to the success of said regime.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

The religion won't lose.

Depends on how extensive the war is.
If it's only the Middle East fighting for a Caliphate, Islam as a whole will be fine, although Mecca (and Medina) would likely be made an international city, to basically nullify the thought of another Caliphate for good. And, of course, attitudes towards Islam globally would definitely be far worsened, and converts from Islam to other religions would see a major spike. But Islam, the religion, would survive as more than just history.
The entire Muslim world (bar Albania and Bosnia who, even if the rest of the Muslim world were on board, wouldn't join in)? Yeah, Islam would likely be toast, or at least irreparably damaged and definitely moribund.

None of this is guaranteed, and the last part about Al-Islam is false.

[Proctopeo]

Depends on how extensive the war is.
If it's only the Middle East fighting for a Caliphate, Islam as a whole will be fine, although Mecca (and Medina) would likely be made an international city, to basically nullify the thought of another Caliphate for good. And, of course, attitudes towards Islam globally would definitely be far worsened, and converts from Islam to other religions would see a major spike. But Islam, the religion, would survive as more than just history.
The entire Muslim world (bar Albania and Bosnia who, even if the rest of the Muslim world were on board, wouldn't join in)? Yeah, Islam would likely be toast, or at least irreparably damaged and definitely moribund.

None of this is guaranteed, and the last part about Al-Islam is false.

It's extremely likely, however. And how is "if the entire community of a religion decides it wants to unite into one massive super-state, and everyone else obviously says no and declares war, the religion will at the very least be incredibly damaged, to the point where recovery is a pipe dream, if it still exists at all afterwards" false?

[Genivaria]

None of this is guaranteed, and the last part about Al-Islam is false.

It's extremely likely, however. And how is "if the entire community of a religion decides it wants to unite into one massive super-state, and everyone else obviously says no and declares war, the religion will at the very least be incredibly damaged, to the point where recovery is a pipe dream, if it still exists at all afterwards" false?

And I should point out that this scenario is already making alot of assumptions in the Islamists favor.
1. That the secular dictatorships would agree to it/be successfully conquered by the Islamist regime.
2. That the relatively moderate regimes would agree to it/be successfully conquered by the Islamist regime.
3. That the OTHER theocracies of OTHER Muslim sects would agree to it/be successfully conquered by the Islamist regime.
4. And that ALL this somehow happens without the tangled web of alliances in the Middle East already dragging Europe/NATO/The US in long before the entire region is united.
5. That Israel being threatened wouldn't somehow draw the US in (Which I can absolutely guarantee would happen)
6. Oh and before I forget, the rest of the African continent who don't board the Islamist band-wagon would not care at all for the militant power to their north.

I mean seriously, good fucking luck.

[Negarakita]

It's extremely likely, however. And how is "if the entire community of a religion decides it wants to unite into one massive super-state, and everyone else obviously says no and declares war, the religion will at the very least be incredibly damaged, to the point where recovery is a pipe dream, if it still exists at all afterwards" false?

And I should point out that this scenario is already making alot of assumptions in the Islamists favor.
1. That the secular dictatorships would agree to it/be successfully conquered by the Islamist regime.
2. That the relatively moderate regimes would agree to it/be successfully conquered by the Islamist regime.
3. That the OTHER theocracies of OTHER Muslim sects would agree to it/be successfully conquered by the Islamist regime.
4. And that ALL this somehow happens without the tangled web of alliances in the Middle East already dragging Europe/NATO/The US in long before the entire region is united.
5. That Israel being threatened wouldn't somehow draw the US in (Which I can absolutely guarantee would happen)
6. Oh and before I forget, the rest of the African continent who don't board the Islamist band-wagon would not care at all for the militant power to their north.
I mean seriously, good fucking luck.

I mean there would be likely the largest ever insurgency no matter what happened. Islam wouldn't go away, it would just swing extremely violent.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

None of this is guaranteed, and the last part about Al-Islam is false.

It's extremely likely, however. And how is "if the entire community of a religion decides it wants to unite into one massive super-state, and everyone else obviously says no and declares war, the religion will at the very least be incredibly damaged, to the point where recovery is a pipe dream, if it still exists at all afterwards" false?

Al-Islam doesn't depend on wordly matters to survive. Allah SWT protects and will always protect Al-Islam, no matter what happens in this life or the next.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And I should point out that this scenario is already making alot of assumptions in the Islamists favor.
1. That the secular dictatorships would agree to it/be successfully conquered by the Islamist regime.
2. That the relatively moderate regimes would agree to it/be successfully conquered by the Islamist regime.
3. That the OTHER theocracies of OTHER Muslim sects would agree to it/be successfully conquered by the Islamist regime.
4. And that ALL this somehow happens without the tangled web of alliances in the Middle East already dragging Europe/NATO/The US in long before the entire region is united.
5. That Israel being threatened wouldn't somehow draw the US in (Which I can absolutely guarantee would happen)
6. Oh and before I forget, the rest of the African continent who don't board the Islamist band-wagon would not care at all for the militant power to their north.
I mean seriously, good fucking luck.

I mean there would be likely the largest ever insurgency no matter what happened. Islam wouldn't go away, it would just swing extremely violent.

No it wouldn't.

[Proctopeo]

It's extremely likely, however. And how is "if the entire community of a religion decides it wants to unite into one massive super-state, and everyone else obviously says no and declares war, the religion will at the very least be incredibly damaged, to the point where recovery is a pipe dream, if it still exists at all afterwards" false?

Al-Islam doesn't depend on wordly matters to survive. Allah SWT protects and will always protect Al-Islam, no matter what happens in this life or the next.

A religion with no followers is dead, full stop. One with a declining number of followers, especially if it's dropping quickly, is dying.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Al-Islam doesn't depend on wordly matters to survive. Allah SWT protects and will always protect Al-Islam, no matter what happens in this life or the next.

A religion with no followers is dead, full stop. One with a declining number of followers, especially if it's dropping quickly, is dying.

I'm not talking about any religion, I'm talking about Al-Islam in particular.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

A religion with no followers is dead, full stop. One with a declining number of followers, especially if it's dropping quickly, is dying.

I'm not talking about any religion, I'm talking about Al-Islam in particular.

Islam is a religion like all the others, not a special case.

[Proctopeo]

A religion with no followers is dead, full stop. One with a declining number of followers, especially if it's dropping quickly, is dying.

I'm not talking about any religion, I'm talking about Al-Islam in particular.

What makes Islam unique? Islam, like any other religion, abides by these basic rules.

[Genivaria]

A religion with no followers is dead, full stop. One with a declining number of followers, especially if it's dropping quickly, is dying.

I'm not talking about any religion, I'm talking about Al-Islam in particular.

There's nothing special about Islam.