The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[Frievolk]

Pretty hypocritical of you to call me a troll, when your sole and only argument regarding anything you don't like in Islam is denying it exists, going on a "LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU' spree. Not surprising, but still hypocritical.



I want you to stop posting on this thread -or any thread, really- and think for 5 minutes, and try to put the pieces together:
1- "I know of at least five Shia scholars"
2- "a penal code that was derived from one of those opinions"
How many countries do you know with a penal code written based on Shia Islam?
(No need to think. it's Iran, though Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Bahrain also have similar laws, or at least similar judicial interpretation of their laws, despite two of them not being Shia countries.
Of course, inb4 we get the "No true Islamsman" fallacy again)

Does it explicitly say "even if the woman is raped"? or something of that nature because I thought that in addition to the death penalty rapists can be forced to pay the victims Mahr.

No, it explicitly says the "Maf'ul" (to use a rather derogatory term here) in a case of Lawaat (homosexual sex) will be executed regardless of whether the act was of his own free will or not (that's literally in the penal code), and similarly, the female in a case of Zina gets whipped (or if its a Muhsen situation, will be punished with Rajm)

[Saranidia]

Does it explicitly say "even if the woman is raped"? or something of that nature because I thought that in addition to the death penalty rapists can be forced to pay the victims Mahr.

No, it explicitly says the "Maf'ul" (to use a rather derogatory term here) in a case of Lawaat (homosexual sex) will be executed regardless of whether the act was of his own free will or not (that's literally in the penal code), and similarly, the female in a case of Zina gets whipped (or if its a Muhsen situation, will be punished with Rajm)

so the Mahr compensation thing is made up. Also the executing people for being raped or for being gay is horrible.

[Kotelia]

I feel like telling a little story on this thread.

For a few months maybe even a year or two, my friends were always under the impression that Islam is a religion of violence. They felt that he meaning of jihad was to wage war against the innocent peoples of our country. I would tell them that that is untrue... But eventually it bled over to me.

Hearing of this horrid attacks by Islamists further reaffirmed in my mind that Islam is bad... That Islam is violent.

I then took it upon myself to research the religion, and talk to people who have experience in the field of religion, and some Muslims themselves; I learned that Islam is a religion of peace, of kindness.

I discovered that Islamic countries and regions have an incredibly fascinating culture and equally fascinating food, which deep down we all know is the best

Most importantly, I discovered that there is two types of jihad. One that is done via peaceful and personal means; the personal struggle. And one that is violent, but is almost never used. I also learned that Islamist extremists do not represent all of Islam.

I am proud to say that my mind was changed. And when I learned all of this incredible information regarding Islam, I managed to educate my friends who had previously thought Islam is bad... That Islam is violent.

Islam is a misunderstood religion, and followers of it are heavily judged by the media and interpreted as the enemy. I learned that this is not the case.

I learned that Islam is peaceful.

I understand that is this is kind of an Muslim only discussion thread, or what I have gathered anyways, but I feel that this is the best place to tell this tale.

Thank you all for reading and بارك الله فيك

[Frievolk]

No, it explicitly says the "Maf'ul" (to use a rather derogatory term here) in a case of Lawaat (homosexual sex) will be executed regardless of whether the act was of his own free will or not (that's literally in the penal code), and similarly, the female in a case of Zina gets whipped (or if its a Muhsen situation, will be punished with Rajm)

so the Mahr compensation thing is made up. Also the executing people for being raped or for being gay is horrible.

And also the opinion (Ra'i) of multiple Shia Marjas, An opinion, might I add, relevant enough to be considered an accepted position in Islamic Fiqh and much worse, relevant enough to become law.

[Saranidia]

so the Mahr compensation thing is made up. Also the executing people for being raped or for being gay is horrible.

And also the opinion (Ra'i) of multiple Shia Marjas, An opinion, might I add, relevant enough to be considered an accepted position in Islamic Fiqh and much worse, relevant enough to become law.

Does it say in the case of women being raped "whether she consents or not?"

[Saranidia]

I feel like telling a little story on this thread.

For a few months maybe even a year or two, my friends were always under the impression that Islam is a religion of violence. They felt that he meaning of jihad was to wage war against the innocent peoples of our country. I would tell them that that is untrue... But eventually it bled over to me.

Hearing of this horrid attacks by Islamists further reaffirmed in my mind that Islam is bad... That Islam is violent.

I then took it upon myself to research the religion, and talk to people who have experience in the field of religion, and some Muslims themselves; I learned that Islam is a religion of peace, of kindness.

I discovered that Islamic countries and regions have an incredibly fascinating culture and equally fascinating food, which deep down we all know is the best

Most importantly, I discovered that there is two types of jihad. One that is done via peaceful and personal means; the personal struggle. And one that is violent, but is almost never used. I also learned that Islamist extremists do not represent all of Islam.

I am proud to say that my mind was changed. And when I learned all of this incredible information regarding Islam, I managed to educate my friends who had previously thought Islam is bad... That Islam is violent.

Islam is a misunderstood religion, and followers of it are heavily judged by the media and interpreted as the enemy. I learned that this is not the case.

I learned that Islam is peaceful.

I understand that is this is kind of an Muslim only discussion thread, or what I have gathered anyways, but I feel that this is the best place to tell this tale.

Thank you all for reading and بارك الله فيك

Thank you and by the way it is not Muslim only.

[Kotelia]

I feel like telling a little story on this thread.

For a few months maybe even a year or two, my friends were always under the impression that Islam is a religion of violence. They felt that he meaning of jihad was to wage war against the innocent peoples of our country. I would tell them that that is untrue... But eventually it bled over to me.

Hearing of this horrid attacks by Islamists further reaffirmed in my mind that Islam is bad... That Islam is violent.

I then took it upon myself to research the religion, and talk to people who have experience in the field of religion, and some Muslims themselves; I learned that Islam is a religion of peace, of kindness.

I discovered that Islamic countries and regions have an incredibly fascinating culture and equally fascinating food, which deep down we all know is the best

Most importantly, I discovered that there is two types of jihad. One that is done via peaceful and personal means; the personal struggle. And one that is violent, but is almost never used. I also learned that Islamist extremists do not represent all of Islam.

I am proud to say that my mind was changed. And when I learned all of this incredible information regarding Islam, I managed to educate my friends who had previously thought Islam is bad... That Islam is violent.

Islam is a misunderstood religion, and followers of it are heavily judged by the media and interpreted as the enemy. I learned that this is not the case.

I learned that Islam is peaceful.

I understand that is this is kind of an Muslim only discussion thread, or what I have gathered anyways, but I feel that this is the best place to tell this tale.

Thank you all for reading and بارك الله فيك

Thank you and by the way it is not Muslim only.

I see. Thank you for letting me know. I may discuss the religion more often here, who knows?

[Dahyan]

All he has done during his time here is insult Islam and evade any sort of meaningful discussion with edgy and childish trolling. So yes, that would be grounds for being reported.

Pretty hypocritical of you to call me a troll, when your sole and only argument regarding anything you don't like in Islam is denying it exists, going on a "LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU' spree. Not surprising, but still hypocritical.

I don't have to take anything from the guy who claimed that Muhammad started the Arab slave trade.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Pretty hypocritical of you to call me a troll, when your sole and only argument regarding anything you don't like in Islam is denying it exists, going on a "LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU' spree. Not surprising, but still hypocritical.

I don't have to take anything from the guy who claimed that Muhammad started the Arab slave trade.

lel where did he say that?

[Saranidia]

All he has done during his time here is insult Islam and evade any sort of meaningful discussion with edgy and childish trolling. So yes, that would be grounds for being reported.

Pretty hypocritical of you to call me a troll, when your sole and only argument regarding anything you don't like in Islam is denying it exists, going on a "LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU' spree. Not surprising, but still hypocritical.

Which penal code?

I want you to stop posting on this thread -or any thread, really- and think for 5 minutes, and try to put the pieces together:
1- "I know of at least five Shia scholars"
2- "a penal code that was derived from one of those opinions"
How many countries do you know with a penal code written based on Shia Islam?
(No need to think. it's Iran, though Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Bahrain also have similar laws, or at least similar judicial interpretation of their laws, despite two of them not being Shia countries.
Of course, inb4 we get the "No true Islamsman" fallacy again)

Please stop making things personal about the "La la la la can't hear you spree". for the record I retracted my report to NS mods about the "Muslims are bigots" comment but I do still have the proof.
now the good news
for the moment you possibly saved my
life so for now you are like a brother to me.

Also a note to the Muslims on this thread: Quran 25:63
suggests you should not hunt down people with misconceptions about Islam.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Pretty hypocritical of you to call me a troll, when your sole and only argument regarding anything you don't like in Islam is denying it exists, going on a "LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU' spree. Not surprising, but still hypocritical.



I want you to stop posting on this thread -or any thread, really- and think for 5 minutes, and try to put the pieces together:
1- "I know of at least five Shia scholars"
2- "a penal code that was derived from one of those opinions"
How many countries do you know with a penal code written based on Shia Islam?
(No need to think. it's Iran, though Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Bahrain also have similar laws, or at least similar judicial interpretation of their laws, despite two of them not being Shia countries.
Of course, inb4 we get the "No true Islamsman" fallacy again)

Please stop making things personal about the "La la la la can't hear you spree". for the record I retracted my report to NS mods about the "Muslims are bigots" comment but I do still have the proof.

Then report it. Stop fucking talking about it. God.

[Herskerstad]

No, it explicitly says the "Maf'ul" (to use a rather derogatory term here) in a case of Lawaat (homosexual sex) will be executed regardless of whether the act was of his own free will or not (that's literally in the penal code), and similarly, the female in a case of Zina gets whipped (or if its a Muhsen situation, will be punished with Rajm)

so the Mahr compensation thing is made up. Also the executing people for being raped or for being gay is horrible.

It's good to hear you say such.

I think we can all agree that the best way to reach concord with people is not to penalise them, but to reach through our disagreements with people, however harsh they may be.

At the end of the day we find a lot more common through love and tough times than we do the things that rile us up.

[Herskerstad]

Pretty hypocritical of you to call me a troll, when your sole and only argument regarding anything you don't like in Islam is denying it exists, going on a "LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU' spree. Not surprising, but still hypocritical.



I want you to stop posting on this thread -or any thread, really- and think for 5 minutes, and try to put the pieces together:
1- "I know of at least five Shia scholars"
2- "a penal code that was derived from one of those opinions"
How many countries do you know with a penal code written based on Shia Islam?
(No need to think. it's Iran, though Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Bahrain also have similar laws, or at least similar judicial interpretation of their laws, despite two of them not being Shia countries.
Of course, inb4 we get the "No true Islamsman" fallacy again)

Please stop making things personal about the "La la la la can't hear you spree". for the record I retracted my report to NS mods about the "Muslims are bigots" comment but I do still have the proof.
now the good news
for the moment you possibly saved my
life so for now you are like a brother to me.

Also a note to the Muslims on this thread: Quran 25:63
suggests you should not hunt down people with misconceptions about Islam.

I don't think your life was in any danger, and if such was the case then please be open about such. The last thing this community would want is to, for example, see actual physical harm come to anyone.

That being said yes, the site does have an issue with how it sees muslim. We see that in every occational troll raid for example. And despite my severe disagreements with muslims and those whom practice Islam, I've gained an admiration and a few friendships through some debates of people whom thought for a long time I'd be their enemy.

But yes, if you feel the air has turned toxic or if I have been unfair, then I think that can be hashed out in better ways than perhaps let on since it's easy to get emotional.

[Herskerstad]

Pretty hypocritical of you to call me a troll, when your sole and only argument regarding anything you don't like in Islam is denying it exists, going on a "LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU' spree. Not surprising, but still hypocritical.

I don't have to take anything from the guy who claimed that Muhammad started the Arab slave trade.

The arab was a slave holding community long before Muhammad so that cannot be true. He certainly had a major impact in changing it since he changed much of the world.

[Menassa]

I can't believe you stuck with my idea.

[Herskerstad]

I can't believe you stuck with my idea.

A wild menassa has appeared.

[Menassa]

I can't believe you stuck with my idea.

A wild menassa has appeared.

I told the OP to use the Arabic numeral rather than 3.

[Herskerstad]

A wild menassa has appeared.

I told the OP to use the Arabic numeral rather than 3.

In fairness that is a classy move. Though the OP should gove with the roman numeral for us nonarabic plebs.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Pretty hypocritical of you to call me a troll, when your sole and only argument regarding anything you don't like in Islam is denying it exists, going on a "LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU' spree. Not surprising, but still hypocritical.



I want you to stop posting on this thread -or any thread, really- and think for 5 minutes, and try to put the pieces together:
1- "I know of at least five Shia scholars"
2- "a penal code that was derived from one of those opinions"
How many countries do you know with a penal code written based on Shia Islam?
(No need to think. it's Iran, though Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Bahrain also have similar laws, or at least similar judicial interpretation of their laws, despite two of them not being Shia countries.
Of course, inb4 we get the "No true Islamsman" fallacy again)

Please stop making things personal about the "La la la la can't hear you spree". for the record I retracted my report to NS mods about the "Muslims are bigots" comment but I do still have the proof.
now the good news
for the moment you possibly saved my
life so for now you are like a brother to me.

Also a note to the Muslims on this thread: Quran 25:63
suggests you should not hunt down people with misconceptions about Islam.

Dude, could you not threaten people every time you are cornered?

Jesus fuck, I don't even have an issue with Islam, but shit, you keep hammering the threats and making it stick that you're that guy that threatens people and holds a grudge.

[Herskerstad]

Oh for the love of

The last thing any needs now is a mod war. Stupid shit was said. Shit flung, and now we should not act like a kindergarten looking to have the mods clean up after us or keep grudges.

If major missconceptions have been reached, then it best to air them out openly. People even that make mistakes are rarely the monsters we paint them out to be.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Oh for the love of

The last thing any needs now is a mod war. Stupid shit was said. Shit flung, and now we should not act like a kindergarten looking to have the mods clean up after us or keep grudges.

If major missconceptions have been reached, then it best to air them out openly. People even that make mistakes are rarely the monsters we paint them out to be.

Well, I don't really have a grudge, but I mean, he could, of course change his tone tbh.

Like, nobody really wants to hurt him as you said, I particularly don't wish to see him hurt, nor do I hold a beef with him or keep a grudge.

That said, you are correct, the last thing we need after a long day is a mod war. Not because it'd be not worth it but just because it'd not be conductive to anything, particularly repairing wounds that might be perceived.

[Herskerstad]

Oh for the love of

The last thing any needs now is a mod war. Stupid shit was said. Shit flung, and now we should not act like a kindergarten looking to have the mods clean up after us or keep grudges.

If major missconceptions have been reached, then it best to air them out openly. People even that make mistakes are rarely the monsters we paint them out to be.

Well, I don't really have a grudge, but I mean, he could, of course change his tone tbh.

Like, nobody really wants to hurt him as you said, I particularly don't wish to see him hurt, nor do I hold a beef with him or keep a grudge.

That said, you are correct, the last thing we need after a long day is a mod war. Not because it'd be not worth it but just because it'd not be conductive to anything, particularly repairing wounds that might be perceived.

Yup, this could actually become a good tradition for the thread. Don't really know of one on other threads.

Anyone want to air out their grievances first?

[Frievolk]

Pretty hypocritical of you to call me a troll, when your sole and only argument regarding anything you don't like in Islam is denying it exists, going on a "LALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU' spree. Not surprising, but still hypocritical.

I don't have to take anything from the guy who claimed that Muhammad started the Arab slave trade.

Yeah, and I stand by my statement. The fact you think that's not true is just hilarious on many levels (especially since it's essentially the basic reason why the Caliphates went into conquering sprees)

[Mercuriuseudoro]

Yeah, and I stand by my statement. The fact you think that's not true is just hilarious on many levels (especially since it's essentially the basic reason why the Caliphates went into conquering sprees)

Patience, brother.

There is nothing that can be gained in this argument - it is like arguing to a man who is stealing your money that it is not his right. Such a man is motivated by greed and opportunity, not by rights.

Spend your words talking to your own people.

War will come to Europe again, as it does every little while - and this time, we will retake Constantinople.

God wills it.

[Frievolk]

Yeah, and I stand by my statement. The fact you think that's not true is just hilarious on many levels (especially since it's essentially the basic reason why the Caliphates went into conquering sprees)

Patience, brother.

There is nothing that can be gained in this argument - it is like arguing to a man who is stealing your money that it is not his right. Such a man is motivated by greed and opportunity, not by rights.

Spend your words talking to your own people.

War will come to Europe again, as it does every little while - and this time, we will retake Constantinople.

God wills it.

I find it amusing that you saw my Anti-Islamic sentence and automatically assumed I was a Deus Vult rando.
Did you somehow miss the "Anti-monotheist" in my sig