The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[Kubumba Tribe]

You accusing me of hating Jews:

Sorry for sharing that poem y'all. Maybe it wasn't the best to show.

You mean you accidentally revealed too much? Shocking.

Kramanica was doing the same thing, and more blatantly than you:

I just reread the poem, I actually don't think it's talking about Jewish Israelis. If you read the whole thing without picking apart the stanzas, the poem is against the gov, not so much the people.

That's how I see it.

It's really not though lol this incessant denial and circling of the wagon is really tiresome.

Why can't you just fess up and admit you want the Jews kicked out of Palestine.

As for the wife-tapping, that was pages and pages of stuff that started way back when. But I'll drop that because that wasn't really you lying about me, it was just you understanding the difference between a tap not being abusive and actually beating someone which is abusive.

Heated Genivaria is rare. Mess around Genivaria isnt around this time.

And Sah, well, he is Sah...

Good job, Amin on another show.

Jazakallah Khair

[Kubumba Tribe]

And for any passerby who's wondering what I'm talking about with "wife beating" and "wife tapping" go here. Scroll down until you see "'Wife-Beating in Al-Islam'" and use those links.

[Jolthig]

Amin doesn't hate Jews. Never did he advocate for antisemitism.

[Kubumba Tribe]

As for the wife-tapping, that was pages and pages of stuff that started way back when. But I'll drop that because that wasn't really you lying about me, it was just you understanding the difference between a tap not being abusive and actually beating someone which is abusive.

You know what? Imma do it anyway:

It's strange that you thinking tapping that causes no pain nor marks = beating

I actually think you're splitting hairs to justify you defending wife beating.

Yeah, abandon it.

Then stop supporting wife beating.

Amin doesn't hate Jews. Never did he advocate for antisemitism.

"But what about that poem! Idc if he apologized for it 3 times and regretted posting it, he's still a Jew hater!"

[Sahansahiye Iran]

And for any passerby who's wondering what I'm talking about with "wife beating" and "wife tapping" go here. Scroll down until you see "'Wife-Beating in Al-Islam'" and use those links.

Hitting someone not "severely" is still domestic violence, Amin. I really don't see what is so hard to grasp about that.

[Genivaria]

And for any passerby who's wondering what I'm talking about with "wife beating" and "wife tapping" go here. Scroll down until you see "'Wife-Beating in Al-Islam'" and use those links.

Hitting someone not "severely" is still domestic violence, Amin. I really don't see what is so hard to grasp about that.

He's trying really hard to make it look like I'm attacking him so he can report me.

[Kubumba Tribe]

And for any passerby who's wondering what I'm talking about with "wife beating" and "wife tapping" go here. Scroll down until you see "'Wife-Beating in Al-Islam'" and use those links.

Hitting someone not "severely" is still domestic violence, Amin. I really don't see what is so hard to grasp about that.

Then pillow fights are domestic violence by that logic.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Hitting someone not "severely" is still domestic violence, Amin. I really don't see what is so hard to grasp about that.

He's trying really hard to make it look like I'm attacking him so he can report me.

Not anymore, I'm just calling you out now.

[Jolthig]

And for any passerby who's wondering what I'm talking about with "wife beating" and "wife tapping" go here. Scroll down until you see "'Wife-Beating in Al-Islam'" and use those links.

Hitting someone not "severely" is still domestic violence, Amin. I really don't see what is so hard to grasp about that.

Even I don't see it as 'domestic violence'. Especially when looking at the historical context of the verse.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Hitting someone not "severely" is still domestic violence, Amin. I really don't see what is so hard to grasp about that.

Even I don't see it as 'domestic violence'. Especially when looking at the historical context of the verse.

I don't see why you'd think I'd hold your opinion in higher regard than Amin's.

Hitting someone not "severely" is still domestic violence, Amin. I really don't see what is so hard to grasp about that.

Then pillow fights are domestic violence by that logic.

*rolls eyes* No. You can't be serious. Please tell me you aren't serious. That may win at least top 3 for stupidest things you've said. A pillow fight is consensual and all sides want to participate in it. Otherwise, yes. It is wrong, Amin. Just like if I punch someone during a boxing match, it is alright but if I punch a guy randomly on a street, it isn't. You really seem to be having trouble grasping the basic concept of consent. What with this and your support for marital rape.

[Jolthig]

Even I don't see it as 'domestic violence'. Especially when looking at the historical context of the verse.

I don't see why you'd think I'd hold your opinion in higher regard than Amin's.

Never intended that anyway.

Only here to state my opinion; plus Amin having no one else to defend him from slander

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Even I don't see it as 'domestic violence'. Especially when looking at the historical context of the verse.

I don't see why you'd think I'd hold your opinion in higher regard than Amin's.

Then pillow fights are domestic violence by that logic.

*rolls eyes* No. You can't be serious. Please tell me you aren't serious. That may win at least top 3 for stupidest things you've said. A pillow fight is consensual and all sides want to participate in it. Otherwise, yes. It is wrong, Amin. Just like if I punch someone during a boxing match, it is alright but if I punch a guy randomly on a street, it isn't.

I'm talking about the force being similar to a pillow fight. A more accurate comparison is this (watch 0:35 - 0:53)

What with this and your support for marital rape.

I don't. What this, the 3rd time I've said this?
What's also funny is that the same people who call me a Muslim fundamentalist say I support stuff that goes against Al-Islam.

[Jolthig]

I don't see why you'd think I'd hold your opinion in higher regard than Amin's.

*rolls eyes* No. You can't be serious. Please tell me you aren't serious. That may win at least top 3 for stupidest things you've said. A pillow fight is consensual and all sides want to participate in it. Otherwise, yes. It is wrong, Amin. Just like if I punch someone during a boxing match, it is alright but if I punch a guy randomly on a street, it isn't.

I'm talking about the force being similar to a pillow fight. A more accurate comparison is this (watch 0:35 - 0:53)

What with this and your support for marital rape.

I don't. What this, the 3rd time I've said this?
What's also funny is that the same people who call me a Muslim fundamentalist say I support stuff that goes against Al-Islam.

I got a good one: an accusation that you advocate for gays to be whipped 100 times or stoned to death; yet, no proof

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I'm talking about the force being similar to a pillow fight. A more accurate comparison is this (watch 0:35 - 0:53)

I don't. What this, the 3rd time I've said this?
What's also funny is that the same people who call me a Muslim fundamentalist say I support stuff that goes against Al-Islam.

I got a good one: an accusation that you advocate for gays to be whipped 100 times or stoned to death; yet, no proof

Um....I do support the former. I support it for all criminals found guilty of all forms of illegal sexual intercourse if they're Muslim.

[Jolthig]

I got a good one: an accusation that you advocate for gays to be whipped 100 times or stoned to death; yet, no proof

Um....I do support the former. I support it for all criminals found guilty of all forms of illegal sexual intercourse if they're Muslim.

Yeah I know that but for "being gay".

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Um....I do support the former. I support it for all criminals found guilty of all forms of illegal sexual intercourse if they're Muslim.

Yeah I know that but for "being gay".

Oh ok.

[Kowani]

Yeah I know that but for "being gay".

Oh ok.

You realize that your position is still morally bankrupt, right?

[Negarakita]

Oh ok.

You realize that your position is still morally bankrupt, right?

m o r a l i t y i s s u b j e c t i v e w i t h o u t a h i g h e r p o w e r t o h o l d y o u r e s p o n s i b l e

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Oh ok.

You realize that your position is still morally bankrupt, right?

Says who? Also, what Negarakita said.

[Frievolk]

You realize that your position is still morally bankrupt, right?

m o r a l i t y i s s u b j e c t i v e w i t h o u t a h i g h e r p o w e r t o h o l d y o u r e s p o n s i b l e

1- God's morality is also subjective.
2- Yes, but subjective morality doesn't make all actions have the same moral weight. (Which I know that you know, despite this ridiculous "gotcha" argument here)

[Negarakita]

m o r a l i t y i s s u b j e c t i v e w i t h o u t a h i g h e r p o w e r t o h o l d y o u r e s p o n s i b l e

1- God's morality is also subjective.
2- Yes, but subjective morality doesn't make all actions have the same moral weight. (Which I know that you know, despite this ridiculous "gotcha" argument here)

Morality from god is objectively objective, as an omnipotent being enforces it. And I agree with things being morally wrong, but without a source other than "I feel it to be wrong, for these reasons" it can differ from person to person. God's morality isn't subjective if an omnipotent being does exist, merely our interpretations of said morality are inherently subjective unless they are directly revealed to us by said deity.

[Frievolk]

1- God's morality is also subjective.
2- Yes, but subjective morality doesn't make all actions have the same moral weight. (Which I know that you know, despite this ridiculous "gotcha" argument here)

Morality from god is objectively objective, as an omnipotent being enforces it. And I agree with things being morally wrong, but without a source other than "I feel it to be wrong, for these reasons" it can differ from person to person. God's morality isn't subjective if an omnipotent being does exist, merely our interpretations of said morality are inherently subjective unless they are directly revealed to us by said deity.

That's not true tho. Religious morals are essentially god's morals, and like any other morality, that would also be subjective (and also, generally not a good set of morals). God saying his set of morals is objective is essentially the same as me saying my set of morals is objective. Both are false, though mine is probably a better set of morals.

[Negarakita]

Morality from god is objectively objective, as an omnipotent being enforces it. And I agree with things being morally wrong, but without a source other than "I feel it to be wrong, for these reasons" it can differ from person to person. God's morality isn't subjective if an omnipotent being does exist, merely our interpretations of said morality are inherently subjective unless they are directly revealed to us by said deity.

That's not true tho. Religious morals are essentially god's morals, and like any other morality, that would also be subjective (and also, generally not a good set of morals). God saying his set of morals is objective is essentially the same as me saying my set of morals is objective. Both are false, though mine is probably a better set of morals.

If a being is in the unique position of omnipotency then whatever they say goes. in theory, religious morals would be god's morals, but as shown on this thread no religion is united on what their religion's morals are. If everyone in the entire universe will be judged according to a set of morals, this is the standard and therefore the objective benchmark of morality. Concepts like "my morality is better" are also meaningless, as this in itself is subjective. To Amin, your morals are likely not as good.

[Frievolk]

That's not true tho. Religious morals are essentially god's morals, and like any other morality, that would also be subjective (and also, generally not a good set of morals). God saying his set of morals is objective is essentially the same as me saying my set of morals is objective. Both are false, though mine is probably a better set of morals.

If a being is in the unique position of omnipotency then whatever they say goes. in theory, religious morals would be god's morals, but as shown on this thread no religion is united on what their religion's morals are. If everyone in the entire universe will be judged according to a set of morals, this is the standard and therefore the objective benchmark of morality. Concepts like "my morality is better" are also meaningless, as this in itself is subjective. To Amin, your morals are likely not as good.

But logic also dictates that god's omni-stuff is limited (i.e. his omniscience and omnipotence are both limited to the boundaries of logic "can't invent a four-sided circle" and also to his whims at the time), which also makes the "Whatever he says goes" part untrue... which is actually not even an atheist's view, but a religious one (i.e. almost every Jew that I know of) because, you know, from an atheist's point of view, god's morality isn't superior because its benefactor doesn't even exist.

[Negarakita]

If a being is in the unique position of omnipotency then whatever they say goes. in theory, religious morals would be god's morals, but as shown on this thread no religion is united on what their religion's morals are. If everyone in the entire universe will be judged according to a set of morals, this is the standard and therefore the objective benchmark of morality. Concepts like "my morality is better" are also meaningless, as this in itself is subjective. To Amin, your morals are likely not as good.

But logic also dictates that god's omni-stuff is limited (i.e. his omniscience and omnipotence are both limited to the boundaries of logic "can't invent a four-sided circle" and also to his whims at the time), which also makes the "Whatever he says goes" part untrue... which is actually not even an atheist's view, but a religious one (i.e. almost every Jew that I know of) because, you know, from an atheist's point of view, god's morality isn't superior because its benefactor doesn't even exist.

An omnipotent being is not confined by the laws of logic, it is inherently above such constructs. If such a being wished they could easily create a four sides square, a rock which they couldn't lift and then lift it. Omni-potent means all powerful after all. From an atheist perspective there isn't an objective morality at all. So of course an atheist won't believe that God's morality is objective, because they believe it is a man made construct.