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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399
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Postby Herskerstad » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:49 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Know what else is a war crime? Enslaving POWs. But it's alright "cUz AlLaH sAyS"


Y'know, one would wonder at times if Allah himself would approve of all of this.


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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:01 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Know what else is a war crime? Enslaving POWs. But it's alright "cUz AlLaH sAyS"

Correct. So it's not a war crime. Well, at least if it's Islamic enslavement it isn't.

I prefer the laws of man to those of your Sky Daddy. As does the majority of the world. Every Muslim nation does, too. All party to the Geneva Conventions. Honestly, I haven't read shit as sickening as what you are spouting in a while.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:16 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Correct. So it's not a war crime. Well, at least if it's Islamic enslavement it isn't.

I prefer the laws of man to those of your Sky Daddy.

I don't have a sky daddy.
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:As does the majority of the world. Every Muslim nation does, too. All party to the Geneva Conventions.

That's saddening.
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Honestly, I haven't read stuff as sickening as what you are spouting in a while.

Sickening to who?
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Postby Herskerstad » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:56 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Honestly, I haven't read stuff as sickening as what you are spouting in a while.

Sickening to who?


Just about everyone with a basic functioning moral compass. Supremacist slavery is beyond retrograde, it's downright malicious.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:59 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Honestly, I haven't read stuff as sickening as what you are spouting in a while.

Sickening to who?


Anyone who isn't a sociopath lol
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:01 pm

Herskerstad wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Sickening to who?


Just about everyone with a basic functioning moral compass. Supremacist slavery is beyond retrograde, it's downright malicious.

Well yeah, supremacist slavery would be bad.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:02 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:I prefer the laws of man to those of your Sky Daddy.

I don't have a sky daddy.
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:As does the majority of the world. Every Muslim nation does, too. All party to the Geneva Conventions.

That's saddening.
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Honestly, I haven't read stuff as sickening as what you are spouting in a while.

Sickening to who?

Seriously why do you keep going 'says who' all the time? It's stupid.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:05 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:
Just about everyone with a basic functioning moral compass. Supremacist slavery is beyond retrograde, it's downright malicious.

Well yeah, supremacist slavery would be bad.

And yet you espouse it.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:06 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Sickening to who?


Anyone who isn't a sociopath lol

This is sickening?:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wic1CdJKufY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4sVo_-j2THe
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pn1ubtoL95c
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h9d6sZJRNYQ
https://islamqa.info/en/94840
http://islam-wa-sunnah.com/fatwa/index. ... definition
https://www.al-islam.org/slavery-from-i ... ks-slavery
http://www.islamweb.net/en/article/1174 ... of-slavery
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:06 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Well yeah, supremacist slavery would be bad.

And yet you espouse it.

I'm espousing Islamic slavery, not supremacist slavery.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:09 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:And yet you espouse it.

I'm espousing Islamic slavery, not supremacist slavery.

You are espousing Muslim supremacy over non-Muslims via slavery, you support supremacist slavery.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:13 pm

Genivaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I'm espousing Islamic slavery, not supremacist slavery.

You are espousing Muslim supremacy over non-Muslims via slavery, you support supremacist slavery.

>"Supremacist slavery"
>Slave can literally just ask for their freedom and the master is obligated to free them
>Freeing slaves is a blessing in Al-Islam and is an expitiation for some crimes
>Master cannot abuse slaves or else they are punished by Law of Qisas
>Master cannot overwork his slaves
Wat :eyebrow:
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Postby Kowani » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:14 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:You are espousing Muslim supremacy over non-Muslims via slavery, you support supremacist slavery.

>"Supremacist slavery"
>Slave can literally just ask for their freedom and the master is obligated to free them
Wat :eyebrow:

If you can leave if your own free will, that’s not slavery. Too bad it doesn’t work like that in practice though. ;)
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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:15 pm

I don't know why you guys are surprised. It has been established that Kubumba here would have supported the CSA and its slavery if the plantation owners had been Muslim. He'd have been more than willing to keep his ancestors enslaved under such circumstances.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:16 pm

Kowani wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:>"Supremacist slavery"
>Slave can literally just ask for their freedom and the master is obligated to free them
Wat :eyebrow:

If you can leave if your own free will, that’s not slavery. Too bad it doesn’t work like that in practice though. ;)

Again, I'm not talking about practice.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:17 pm

Napkiraly wrote:It has been established that Kubumba here would have supported the CSA and its slavery if the plantation owners had been Muslim.

That's false. But if they were upright Muslims I guess that'd be ok.
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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:17 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:It has been established that Kubumba here would have supported the CSA and its slavery if the plantation owners had been Muslim.

That's false.

Nope, you've firmly established you are okay with slavery as long as its done by Muslim slavers. Hence, by extension, the CSA would have been acceptable to you had they all been Muslims instead.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:19 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:You are espousing Muslim supremacy over non-Muslims via slavery, you support supremacist slavery.

>"Supremacist slavery"
>Slave can literally just ask for their freedom and the master is obligated to free them
>Freeing slaves is a blessing in Al-Islam and is an expitiation for some crimes
>Master cannot abuse slaves or else they are punished by Law of Qisas
>Master cannot overwork his slaves
Wat :eyebrow:

I don't think you know what slavery is if you think a slave can just ask to leave.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:20 pm



Supporting slavery is sickening, yes.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:20 pm

Genivaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:>"Supremacist slavery"
>Slave can literally just ask for their freedom and the master is obligated to free them
>Freeing slaves is a blessing in Al-Islam and is an expitiation for some crimes
>Master cannot abuse slaves or else they are punished by Law of Qisas
>Master cannot overwork his slaves
Wat :eyebrow:

I don't think you know what slavery is if you think a slave can just ask to leave.

It is in Al-Islam.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:20 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:It has been established that Kubumba here would have supported the CSA and its slavery if the plantation owners had been Muslim.

That's false. But if they were upright Muslims I guess that'd be ok.

You do realize that you just contradicted yourself right? And admitted that what he says is true.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:21 pm


Did you use the links?
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:21 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I don't think you know what slavery is if you think a slave can just ask to leave.

It is in Al-Islam.

If you think that changes the reality of it you are sorely mistaken.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:21 pm

Genivaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:That's false. But if they were upright Muslims I guess that'd be ok.

You do realize that you just contradicted yourself right? And admitted that what he says is true.

No i did not contradict myself.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:23 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Supporting slavery is sickening, yes.

Did you usw the links?

Either directly quote what is relevant or don't bother posting links.
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