The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[Greater Cesnica]

I'm not sure what your point on slavery in America is, clarify for me.

Well you said that slavery is wrong, and I am in agreement with you on this. The only thing we disagree on is how to abolish it.

I cited the aftermath of the Civil War because the former slaves weren't helped when slavery was abolished with the stroke of a pen. Mansions went poor, but so did the former slaves. Many of them went out on the streets. Some did get jobs, but many were disadvantaged, and the government failed to help them out.

The same would've been with the case of Arabia. Often slavery was big in the ancient times up until the 19th century. Arabia thrived on slavery alongside the trade with Syria. Being in the middle of a barren wasteland can be pretty hard financially. I'm not saying in any way what they did was right, but I'm also acknowledging the financial and economic circumstances for both Arabia and the fallen CSA.

The brutal treatment of slaves by itself (whippings and overwork) could've been abolished as it had no impact on the financial and economics of the regions. It all depended on who the owner was.

Here's what I propose tbh. Look at it this way- the Golden Rule. Treat others as you would want to be treated yourself. Most people forget this before they act. Would the plantation owner, or the owner of sex slaves want to be enslaved in such a manner?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What are you talking about?

What I think doesn't matter. What matters is what is acceptable in Al-Islam.

Correct. So where in that post have I just put my own thoughts, considering that I used Islamic evidence to prove my point?

Kinda is. People wouldn't convert to the Deen if it destroys them. That's why Allah SWT tells Prophet Muhammad SAWS that "...if you had been rude [in speech] and harsh in heart, they would have disbanded from about you."

So... you support slavery of Non-Muslims?


LOVELY

Idk where you got that from.
But iirc, I don't think you can enslave a Muslim. I'll have to look it up tho, so don't take this as 100% right.

The thing about that is it "doesn't wish to impose hardships" on Muslims. Non-Muslims (which are the castes you get Slaves from. Most of the time) are not part of that group, and make no mistake, Islamic Slavery is a hundred times more cruel than Trans-Atlantic Slavery (at the very least, they didn't employ the women as sex slaves and don't cut off the men's manhoods. Most of the time)

In fairness I will disagree on this bit. While a whole industry wasn't built around it many slave-owners did rape their female house slaves and then enslave their own children from them.
Which is a special kind of f*cked up on its own.

Yeah that's messed up.

[Kaggeceria]

Correct. So where in that post have I just put my own thoughts, considering that I used Islamic evidence to prove my point?

So... you support slavery of Non-Muslims?


LOVELY

Idk where you got that from.
But iirc, I don't think you can enslave a Muslim. I'll have to look it up tho, so don't take this as 100% right.

In fairness I will disagree on this bit. While a whole industry wasn't built around it many slave-owners did rape their female house slaves and then enslave their own children from them.
Which is a special kind of f*cked up on its own.

Yeah that's messed up.

So you'd support the slavery of non-Muslims.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So... you support slavery of Non-Muslims?


LOVELY

I remember him previously claiming that non-Muslims wouldn't have to live under Sharia, apparently they'd just have to be slaves.

Idk where you got that from.

[Frievolk]

Well you said that slavery is wrong, and I am in agreement with you on this. The only thing we disagree on is how to abolish it.

I cited the aftermath of the Civil War because the former slaves weren't helped when slavery was abolished with the stroke of a pen. Mansions went poor, but so did the former slaves. Many of them went out on the streets. Some did get jobs, but many were disadvantaged, and the government failed to help them out.

The same would've been with the case of Arabia. Often slavery was big in the ancient times up until the 19th century. Arabia thrived on slavery alongside the trade with Syria. Being in the middle of a barren wasteland can be pretty hard financially. I'm not saying in any way what they did was right, but I'm also acknowledging the financial and economic circumstances for both Arabia and the fallen CSA.

The brutal treatment of slaves by itself (whippings and overwork) could've been abolished as it had no impact on the financial and economics of the regions. It all depended on who the owner was.

Here's what I propose tbh. Look at it this way- the Golden Rule. Treat others as you would want to be treated yourself. Most people forget this before they act. Would the plantation owner, or the owner of sex slaves want to be enslaved in such a manner?

The problem with that is the person who's cruel enough to do that in the first place is safe and secure in his political and social station that he knows there is no way that could actually happen to him. He'll be cruel as much as he wants, because all he needs to do so as to make sure it won't happen to him is making his victims believe that their fate was destined to be.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Correct. So where in that post have I just put my own thoughts, considering that I used Islamic evidence to prove my point?

Idk where you got that from.
But iirc, I don't think you can enslave a Muslim. I'll have to look it up tho, so don't take this as 100% right.

Yeah that's messed up.

So you'd support the slavery of non-Muslims.

Not necessarily. I'm not pro nor anti Islamic slavery.

[Greater Cesnica]

So you'd support the slavery of non-Muslims.

Not necessarily. I'm not pro nor anti Islamic slavery.

Amin. So... you aren't against slavery?

So, if there were Muslims holding non-Muslims slaves, you would be fine with it?

[Genivaria]

I'm not sure what your point on slavery in America is, clarify for me.

Well you said that slavery is wrong, and I am in agreement with you on this. The only thing we disagree on is how to abolish it.

I cited the aftermath of the Civil War because the former slaves weren't helped when slavery was abolished with the stroke of a pen. Mansions went poor, but so did the former slaves. Many of them went out on the streets. Some did get jobs, but many were disadvantaged, and the government failed to help them out.

The same would've been with the case of Arabia. Often slavery was big in the ancient times up until the 19th century. Arabia thrived on slavery alongside the trade with Syria. Being in the middle of a barren wasteland can be pretty hard financially. I'm not saying in any way what they did was right, but I'm also acknowledging the financial and economic circumstances for both Arabia and the fallen CSA.

The brutal treatment of slaves by itself (whippings and overwork) could've been abolished as it had no impact on the financial and economics of the regions. It all depended on who the owner was.

I think you'll find my view on slavery rather consistent.

Okay, but we should have shot more slavers during the Civil War. I am of the opinion that the greatest tragedy of the Civil War is that not enough people were shot.

Reconstruction didn't go far enough, fact.
Seize the traitor's plantations and give it to the freed slaves.

Although I later came to the conclusion that it would've been better if we offered them land grants out west so they wouldn't have to live in the middle of a society that hated them and instead could make whole towns on the frontier of freedmen.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Not necessarily. I'm not pro nor anti Islamic slavery.

Amin. So... you aren't against slavery?

I'm neutral on Islamic slavery. Other types of slavery, I'm against.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Amin. So... you aren't against slavery?

I'm neutral on Islamic slavery.

What the fuck lol

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So, if there were Muslims holding non-Muslims slaves, you would be fine with it?

As long as they are in line with Shari'ah.

[Greater Cesnica]

Amin. So... you aren't against slavery?

I'm neutral on Islamic slavery. Other types of slavery, I'm against.

What the fuck is wrong with you? So you condone Islamic slavery? Yeah, no, fuck that. This is 2018. We moved past these ideals a long time ago.

[Jolthig]

Well you said that slavery is wrong, and I am in agreement with you on this. The only thing we disagree on is how to abolish it.

I cited the aftermath of the Civil War because the former slaves weren't helped when slavery was abolished with the stroke of a pen. Mansions went poor, but so did the former slaves. Many of them went out on the streets. Some did get jobs, but many were disadvantaged, and the government failed to help them out.

The same would've been with the case of Arabia. Often slavery was big in the ancient times up until the 19th century. Arabia thrived on slavery alongside the trade with Syria. Being in the middle of a barren wasteland can be pretty hard financially. I'm not saying in any way what they did was right, but I'm also acknowledging the financial and economic circumstances for both Arabia and the fallen CSA.

The brutal treatment of slaves by itself (whippings and overwork) could've been abolished as it had no impact on the financial and economics of the regions. It all depended on who the owner was.

I think you'll find my view on slavery rather consistent.

Reconstruction didn't go far enough, fact.
Seize the traitor's plantations and give it to the freed slaves.

Although I later came to the conclusion that it would've been better if we offered them land grants out west so they wouldn't have to live in the middle of a society that hated them and instead could make whole towns on the frontier of freedmen.

This isn't a bad idea either though the circumstances at the time didn't allow this due to the amount of corrupt politicians at the time. Like today is any better lol

[Kaggeceria]

So you'd support the slavery of non-Muslims.

Not necessarily. I'm not pro nor anti Islamic slavery.

But you said you support everything in the Quran.

So you support Islamic slavery.

If you're going to lie at least make it a convincing lie.

[Mattopilos II]

I'm neutral on Islamic slavery.

What the fuck lol

This is your brain on religion - atrocities are virtuous if you paint them with the brush of your faith.

[Washington Resistance Army]

What the fuck lol

This is your brain on religion - atrocities are virtuous if you paint them with the brush of your faith.

Man, I'm religious but that's just nuts lol

[Kaggeceria]

What the fuck lol

This is your brain on religion - atrocities are virtuous if you paint them with the brush of your faith.

Not all religious people are like this lol

This is your brain on religious extremism.

[Greater Cesnica]

Guys I got a link in case you need to prove Amin is literally a religious extremist.

https://ibb.co/jydj80

[Mattopilos II]

This is your brain on religion - atrocities are virtuous if you paint them with the brush of your faith.

Not all religious people are like this lol

This is your brain on religious extremism.

I mean, you can take what I said to mean that, sure. To reify your faith leads to weird shit was the main point.

[Aellex]

Amin. So... you aren't against slavery?

I'm neutral on Islamic slavery. Other types of slavery, I'm against.

Lmao, it being "Islamic™" doesn't make it suddenly better.
You're aware the Arabs took as much """Afrikans""" (if not more depending on the estimations) as slave as the Europeans did with the added bonus that they cut their dicks and balls off?
Are you OK with that shit despite it being on a whole fucking other level of fucked up than the triangular trade was?

[Greater Cesnica]

I'm neutral on Islamic slavery. Other types of slavery, I'm against.

Lmao, it being "Islamic™" doesn't make it suddenly better.
You're aware the Arabs took as much """Afrikans""" (if not more depending on the estimations) as slave as the Europeans did with the added bonus that they cut their dicks and balls off?
Are you OK with that shit despite it being on a whole fucking other level of fucked up than the triangular trade was?

That is what religious extremism does to your brain and your conscience. Your morals, ethics, ideals, they are warped into sinister things, evil, vile figments of imagination that can actually detriment the lives of others along as the affected person(s).

[Genivaria]

I remember him previously claiming that non-Muslims wouldn't have to live under Sharia, apparently they'd just have to be slaves.

Idk where you got that from.

From you.

[Jolthig]

No one was forced into Islam.

There's plenty of times people were though.

Yes, I'm aware some Muslim rulers did so. I am not denying this. What I reject, is the view that Muhammad did so.

[Greater Cesnica]

Idk where you got that from.

From you.

Plus you have the link now

[Greater Cesnica]

There's plenty of times people were though.

Yes, I'm aware some Muslim rulers did so. I am not denying this. What I reject, is the view that Muhammad did so.

I agree with Jolthig here. Modern Muslim leaders are corrupt and do not stand for the ideology they supposedly represent. These are the same politicians who encourage the usage of the burka, yet are fine with belly dancing, and sexual deviance, as long as it is for them, and only them.