The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[Negarakita]

A. It's a joke
B. Wahhabis are Sunni

Actually nobody knows what is to be a Sunni this days some Ulamahs believe Islamic was divided by human reasons and that all are muslims while the eternal conflict among the descendants of Muhammad (Shia Vs. Sunni, etc) is just a ''Game of thrones'' intrigue game that makes more harm than benefit...

Most of the Quraysh tribe members were known kinslayers, though they are considered saints and gods by some sects...

To be a Sunni is to follow the teachings of the Sunni Ulema, in particular to follow the Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi or Hanbali (or Zahiri) madhabs, and to reject Ali's claim to the caliphate.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Actually nobody knows what is to be a Sunni this days some Ulamahs believe Islamic was divided by human reasons and that all are muslims while the eternal conflict among the descendants of Muhammad (Shia Vs. Sunni, etc) is just a ''Game of thrones'' intrigue game that makes more harm than benefit...

Most of the Quraysh tribe members were known kinslayers, though they are considered saints and gods by some sects...

To be a Sunni is to follow the teachings of the Sunni Ulema, in particular to follow the Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi or Hanbali (or Zahiri) madhabs, and to reject Ali's claim to the caliphate.

Imamate* Sunnis still accept Ali as the 4th Rashidun caliph.

[Cuprum]

Actually nobody knows what is to be a Sunni this days some Ulamahs believe Islamic was divided by human reasons and that all are muslims while the eternal conflict among the descendants of Muhammad (Shia Vs. Sunni, etc) is just a ''Game of thrones'' intrigue game that makes more harm than benefit...

Most of the Quraysh tribe members were known kinslayers, though they are considered saints and gods by some sects...

To be a Sunni is to follow the teachings of the Sunni Ulema, in particular to follow the Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi or Hanbali (or Zahiri) madhabs, and to reject Ali's claim to the caliphate.

Poor Ali... He didn't deserved the first Fitna, though his followers beheaded the 3rd Caliph so... Allah wasn't merciful with the Rashidun.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

To be a Sunni is to follow the teachings of the Sunni Ulema, in particular to follow the Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi or Hanbali (or Zahiri) madhabs, and to reject Ali's claim to the caliphate.

Poor Ali... He didn't deserved the first Fitna, though his followers beheaded the 3rd Caliph so... Allah wasn't merciful with the Rashidun.

He turned down the Caliphate when the rebels tried to offer it to him. He should not be to blame for their actions.

[Negarakita]

On the topic of Caliphates, who is everyone's fave caliph?

I'd say Omar for that borderline socialism and great social policy.

[Northern Davincia]

On the topic of Caliphates, who is everyone's fave caliph?

I'd say Omar for that borderline socialism and great social policy.

Without a doubt, Abdulmejid II, for his artistic talents and the virtue of being the last caliph.

[Cuprum]

Poor Ali... He didn't deserved the first Fitna, though his followers beheaded the 3rd Caliph so... Allah wasn't merciful with the Rashidun.

He turned down the Caliphate when the rebels tried to offer it to him. He should not be to blame for their actions.

He enraged the Syrians (Ummayads) by not punishing the murderers of Uthman which was one of the excuses Muawiyah had to cause the 1st Fitna which ended in the Quraysh downfall.

[Negarakita]

On the topic of Caliphates, who is everyone's fave caliph?

I'd say Omar for that borderline socialism and great social policy.

Without a doubt, Abdulmejid II, for his artistic talents and the virtue of being the last caliph.

You dislike the Armenians?

[Jolthig]

No. Angels are basically like robots to God. So no, that doesn't make them gods.

Also, I don't believe in jinn in terms of demons. They are unknown human beings, or beings of an unknown sort in my bleiefs.

Prophets are the same way. They do as god commands them.

Was Iblis not an angel who disobeyed god?

Iblis was not an angel. Yes the several references of "We said to the angels, 'Submit to Adam' and they submitted, but Iblis did not."

But it's clear Iblis is not an angel because if he was, then it would contradict the Qu'ran in 66:6 (7 in the translation I use):

O ye who believe! save yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is men and stones, over which are appointed angels, stern and severe, who disobey not Allah in what He commands them and do as they are commanded.

Two verses above also says angels are submissive to God.

Now if you two turn unto Allah repentant, it will be better for you, and your hearts are already so inclined. But if you back up each other against him, surely Allah is his Helper and Gabriel and the righteous among the believers; and furthermore, all other angels too are his helpers.

Further, Iblis was one of the jinn. He was not an angel. If he was then, that wouldn't make any sense at all.

And remember the time when We said to the angels, ‘Submit to Adam,’ and they all submitted, except Iblis. He was one of the Jinn; and he disobeyed the command of his Lord. Will you then take him and his offspring for friends instead of Me while they are your enemies? Evil is the exchange for the wrongdoers.

Do they? Is Adam not a nabi now?

Are you saying that?

What about in the Judeo-Christian tradition when Aaron turned from God and created the Calf? In that same tradition, did Solomon not turn away from god and thus god punished him for it?

Not sure what's that gotta do with anything. Besides, prophets cannot sin. Sin is the intentional disobedience to God. When Adam messed up, he made a mistake. It was unintentional.

[Jolthig]

On the topic of Caliphates, who is everyone's fave caliph?

I'd say Omar for that borderline socialism and great social policy.

Same

[Northern Davincia]

Without a doubt, Abdulmejid II, for his artistic talents and the virtue of being the last caliph.

You dislike the Armenians?

Who doesn't?
I find reason to cheer over the end of a title that I am not fond of, such as caliphs.

[Cuprum]

You dislike the Armenians?

Who doesn't?
I find reason to cheer over the end of a title that I am not fond of, such as caliphs.

Same

[Negarakita]

You dislike the Armenians?

Who doesn't?
I find reason to cheer over the end of a title that I am not fond of, such as caliphs.

oof

[Aillyria]

Is ISIS right when they say they are allowed to kill non muslims? I doubt it.

No, Daesh isn't right about anything, they're satanists.

[Northern Davincia]

Is ISIS right when they say they are allowed to kill non muslims? I doubt it.

No, Daesh isn't right about anything, they're satanists.

I haven't seen them around any blood-spattered pentagrams yet.

[New Emeline]

Is ISIS right when they say they are allowed to kill non muslims? I doubt it.

No, Daesh isn't right about anything, they're satanists.

They're evil as hell, but that doesn't make them Satanists.

[Cuprum]

No, Daesh isn't right about anything, they're satanists.

They're evil as hell, but that doesn't make them Satanists.

Everyone is evil in a war... Since achieving victory justifies all the means used for them, besides they sell cheap oil to the ones who are attacking them.

[Negarakita]

Is ISIS right when they say they are allowed to kill non muslims? I doubt it.

No, Daesh isn't right about anything, they're satanists.

Sorry, but they ain't satanists. Much like the crusaders, Hindutva militias, IDF or any other religious hate group they are still part of the religion. they are just shit at being muslim.

[Northern Davincia]

No, Daesh isn't right about anything, they're satanists.

Sorry, but they ain't satanists. Much like the crusaders, Hindutva militias, IDF or any other religious hate group they are still part of the religion. they are just shit at being muslim.

Two of these things are not like the other.

[Negarakita]

Sorry, but they ain't satanists. Much like the crusaders, Hindutva militias, IDF or any other religious hate group they are still part of the religion. they are just shit at being muslim.

Two of these things are not like the other.

The crusaders were legitimately white isis. IDF I will admit is a bit of a stretch.

[Jolthig]

Technically I and other Ahmadis are Sunnis in the sense that we accept the first four khalifas (ra) and we accept all Sunni Hadith as authentic. We only differ on who the Messiah is.

[Negarakita]

Technically I and other Ahmadis are Sunnis in the sense that we accept the first four khalifas (ra) and we accept all Sunni Hadith as authentic. We only differ on who the Messiah is.

Isn't your messiah ded tho?

[Cuprum]

No, Daesh isn't right about anything, they're satanists.

Sorry, but they ain't satanists. Much like the crusaders, Hindutva militias, IDF or any other religious hate group they are still part of the religion. they are just shit at being muslim.

The IDF has muslims, druzes and christian members...

[Negarakita]

Sorry, but they ain't satanists. Much like the crusaders, Hindutva militias, IDF or any other religious hate group they are still part of the religion. they are just shit at being muslim.

The IDF has muslim, druzes and christian members...

I know. It also has rampantly far right jews who target 15 year old kids and journalists. Its a spectrum, as I mentioned earlier a bit of a stretch.

[Geneviev]

This PDF says that:

Because of the severity and perfidy of these offences, God Almighty does not transfer the right of dispensing justice to such offenders to anyone - not even to His most beloved of Prophets. Instead, He tells the Holy Prophet, ‘forgive them and turn away from them’. It is because God Almighty considers the offences to be so grave that no punishment in this world can do justice to the severity of the offences.

Then why is there Sharia law? Isn't that people dispensing justice?

(By the way, has anyone noticed how my questions have gotten more educated? I'm very happy about that.)