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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:24 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Amin, I know you can't because I've had this same discussion with you several times, dude. I don't have to search your posts. Here's one: if a spouse leaves Islam, should he/she be forced to leave their Muslim spouse?

https://islamqa.info/en/134339, https://darululoomtt.net/married-leaves-islam/

And there you go. There's your punishment for leaving Islam. Even ignoring all the fucking ahadith that tell you to apostates.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:24 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:But see, in Amin's eyes, the beliefs of the majority of the rest of Muslims don't matter. Only his interpretation.

Incorrect.

Do you deny that gays are thrown off of buildings, along with lesbians and bisexuals? This is why I fear a theocracy- it becomes saturated with evil perpetrated under the cloak of religion.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:26 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:In any case, under the definition of Shariah, I am an apostate. It is widely accepted that death is an acceptable punishment for those like me.

Most Muslims don't consider Ahmadis to be Muslim, and that's probs the same for Saudi and Iran. So they wouldn't even kill you, or that'd force them to accept that Ahmadis are Muslim.

That is woefully ignorant. That doesn't mean they wouldn't kill them. The Bahai are a completely different faith but Iran punishes them as apostates.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:27 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Most Muslims don't consider Ahmadis to be Muslim, and that's probs the same for Saudi and Iran. So they wouldn't even kill you, or that'd force them to accept that Ahmadis are Muslim.

That is woefully ignorant. That doesn't mean they wouldn't kill them. The Bahai are a completely different faith but Iran punishes them as apostates.

Oh, and Christians get blown up in my Mother country, Pakistan.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:28 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:That is woefully ignorant. That doesn't mean they wouldn't kill them. The Bahai are a completely different faith but Iran punishes them as apostates.

Oh, and Christians get blown up in my Mother country, Pakistan.

Egypt and Iraq, too.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:29 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Oh, and Christians get blown up in my Mother country, Pakistan.

Egypt and Iraq, too.

Special attention given to the Coptics... :(
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:31 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Incorrect.

Do you deny that gays are thrown off of buildings, along with lesbians and bisexuals?

Do you want to talk about Shari'ah or a country's law?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:34 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Do you deny that gays are thrown off of buildings, along with lesbians and bisexuals?

Do you want to talk about Shari'ah or a country's law?

Shari'ah influences Saudi Arabia and Iran, as well as Pakistan, Egypt, and most of the Arab states.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:35 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Do you want to talk about Shari'ah or a country's law?

Shari'ah influences Saudi Arabia and Iran, as well as Pakistan, Egypt, and most of the Arab states.

It more like those countries' influences on Shari'ah. Which we can both agree on, those countries have effed up laws that need to be removed.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:36 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Shari'ah influences Saudi Arabia and Iran, as well as Pakistan, Egypt, and most of the Arab states.

It more like those countries' influences on Shari'ah. Which we can both agree on, those countries have effed up laws that need to be removed.

Eyyy we can agree on that!

*agreement fistbump*
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:37 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Shari'ah influences Saudi Arabia and Iran, as well as Pakistan, Egypt, and most of the Arab states.

It more like those countries' influences on Shari'ah. Which we can both agree on, those countries have effed up laws that need to be removed.


And replaced with things like whipping people a hundred times for being who they are :roll:
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:41 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:It more like those countries' influences on Shari'ah. Which we can both agree on, those countries have effed up laws that need to be removed.


And replaced with things like whipping people a hundred times for being who they are :roll:

That should be removed as well. At least, the intent behind it should be.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:42 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:It more like those countries' influences on Shari'ah. Which we can both agree on, those countries have effed up laws that need to be removed.


And replaced with things like whipping people a hundred times for being who they are :roll:

You know, if a government is spying to see what people are doing in their bedrooms, doesn't that make them voyeurs and perverts?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:43 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
And replaced with things like whipping people a hundred times for being who they are :roll:

You know, if a government is spying to see what people are doing in their bedrooms, doesn't that make them voyeurs and perverts?

True, they shouldn't be doing that.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:44 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
And replaced with things like whipping people a hundred times for being who they are :roll:

That should be removed as well. At least, the intent behind it should be.


Isn't it a bit impious of you to say that about Islamic law?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:That should be removed as well. At least, the intent behind it should be.


Isn't it a bit impious of you to say that about Islamic law?

:?:
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:That should be removed as well. At least, the intent behind it should be.


Isn't it a bit impious of you to say that about Islamic law?

I recall he once said it was haram to change Islamic Law.

o o f
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:48 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Isn't it a bit impious of you to say that about Islamic law?

I recall he once said it was haram to change Islamic Law.

It is
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:49 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I recall he once said it was haram to change Islamic Law.

It is

Then... what does that say about what you just said a few minutes prior?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:49 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Isn't it a bit impious of you to say that about Islamic law?

:?:


You've been quite clear that 100 lashes is the crime for gay sex. Isn't it impious for you as a Muslim to claim the intent behind that should be changed?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:54 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote::?:


You've been quite clear that 100 lashes is the crime for gay sex. Isn't it impious for you as a Muslim to claim the intent behind that should be changed?

I didn't say that. You said that homosexuals get lashed for being homosexual, which is not the case in Al-Islam. I said that if that was the reason why they were lashed in a Muslim-majority country, it should be changed to the Islamic judgement of lashing for illegal sexual intercourse, in this case being homosexual sex.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:55 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You've been quite clear that 100 lashes is the crime for gay sex. Isn't it impious for you as a Muslim to claim the intent behind that should be changed?

I didn't say that. You said that homosexuals get lashed for being homosexual, which is not the case in Al-Islam. I said that if that was the reason why they were lashed in a Muslim-majority country, it should be changed to the Islamic judgement of lashing for illegal sexual intercourse, in this case being homosexual sex.

But then what's wrong with homosexual sex?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:55 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You've been quite clear that 100 lashes is the crime for gay sex. Isn't it impious for you as a Muslim to claim the intent behind that should be changed?

I didn't say that. You said that homosexuals get lashed for being homosexual, which is not the case in Al-Islam.


Your distinction is meaningless. They get whipped for being who they are, and that's disgusting.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:55 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I didn't say that. You said that homosexuals get lashed for being homosexual, which is not the case in Al-Islam.


Your distinction is meaningless. They get whipped for being who they are, and that's disgusting.

No they don't.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:56 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Your distinction is meaningless. They get whipped for being who they are, and that's disgusting.

No they don't.


So you don't support whipping people for having consensual sex?
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