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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:58 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:That would be a travesty of international law.

Shari'ah > man-made law

If Shari'ah was international law, my partner would be dead, along with I.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:58 pm

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:I'm against war as well, but in this case, I support it.

If you are against war, but will gladly support it in order to create some pet project of a state, are you really anti-war?

He means to say "I'm against imperialist aggression, but support war and invasion in the name of Allah."
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:58 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Shari'ah > man-made law

If Shari'ah was international law, my partner would be dead, along with I.

Are y'all Muslim?
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:59 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:That sets a rather horrible precedent, you understand?

Jihad isn't horrible.

War is
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:59 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:That sets a rather horrible precedent, you understand?

Jihad isn't horrible.

Well, I'm convinced.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:59 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:If Shari'ah was international law, my partner would be dead, along with I.

Are y'all Muslim?

I left Islam. As such, I would be murdered, either by mob or by state. My partner is bisexual, and has acted on her urges.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:59 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:I'm against war as well, but in this case, I support it.

If you are against war, but will gladly support it in order to create some pet project of a state, are you really anti-war?

Anti-war with exceptions? Does that help?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:00 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Are y'all Muslim?

I left Islam. As such, I would be murdered, either by mob or by state.

Why?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:00 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I left Islam. As such, I would be murdered, either by mob or by state.

Why?

Oh come on. Don't 'why' me. Look at Iran and Saudi Arabia, for example. I wouldn't stand a chance there, neither would my partner.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:02 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Why?

Oh come on. Don't 'why' me. Look at Iran and Saudi Arabia, for example. I wouldn't stand a chance there, neither would my partner.

Inb4 "They're not really Islamic"
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:02 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Oh come on. Don't 'why' me. Look at Iran and Saudi Arabia, for example. I wouldn't stand a chance there, neither would my partner.

Inb4 "They're not really Islamic"

Oh I know. That's why I said 'mob'.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:02 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Why?

Oh come on. Don't 'why' me. Look at Iran and Saudi Arabia, for example. I wouldn't stand a chance there, neither would my partner.

I will "why" you. Also, we're talking about Al-Islam, not Suadi Arabia nor Iran.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:03 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Oh come on. Don't 'why' me. Look at Iran and Saudi Arabia, for example. I wouldn't stand a chance there, neither would my partner.

I will "why" you. Also, we're talking about Al-Islam, not Suadi Arabia nor Iran.

Remind me what the punishment is in Al-Islam for leaving it, and for having lesbian sex?
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:04 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:I will "why" you. Also, we're talking about Al-Islam, not Suadi Arabia nor Iran.

Remind me what the punishment is in Al-Islam for leaving it, and for having lesbian sex?

Amin can't even make up his mind on what the punishment is for apostasy.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:06 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Remind me what the punishment is in Al-Islam for leaving it, and for having lesbian sex?

Amin can't even make up his mind on what the punishment is for apostasy.

o o f
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:06 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:If you are against war, but will gladly support it in order to create some pet project of a state, are you really anti-war?

Anti-war with exceptions? Does that help?

Everyone is anti-war when said war doesn't benefit them. If you are anti-war, but make exceptions when the war is fought for your interests, you are not anti-war. Self-defence is a reasonable exception, preventing genocide is a reasonable exception, "spreading/realizing my political beliefs" is not a reasonable exception.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:06 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:I will "why" you. Also, we're talking about Al-Islam, not Suadi Arabia nor Iran.

Remind me what the punishment is in Al-Islam for leaving it

None
Greater Cesnica wrote:and for having lesbian sex?

Same for other forms of illegal sexual intercourse
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:06 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Anti-war with exceptions? Does that help?

Everyone is anti-war when said war doesn't benefit them. If you are anti-war, but make exceptions when the war is fought for your interests, you are not anti-war. Self-defence is a reasonable exception, preventing genocide is a reasonable exception, "spreading/realizing my political beliefs" is not a reasonable exception.

Again, like what Xenopolis said, it's just like the spread of Nazism.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:08 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Remind me what the punishment is in Al-Islam for leaving it, and for having lesbian sex?

Amin can't even make up his mind on what the punishment is for apostasy.

Click on my name, click "Search User's Posts", type in "apostasy", click "Search".
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:11 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Amin can't even make up his mind on what the punishment is for apostasy.

Click on my name, click "Search User's Posts", type in "apostasy", click "Search".

Amin, I know you can't because I've had this same discussion with you several times, dude. I don't have to search your posts. Here's one: if a spouse leaves Islam, should he/she be forced to leave their Muslim spouse?
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:13 pm

In any case, under the definition of Shariah, I am an apostate. It is widely accepted that death is an acceptable punishment for those like me.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:15 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:In any case, under the definition of Shariah, I am an apostate. It is widely accepted that death is an acceptable punishment for those like me.

But see, in Amin's eyes, the beliefs of the majority of the rest of Muslims don't matter. Only his interpretation.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:21 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Click on my name, click "Search User's Posts", type in "apostasy", click "Search".

Amin, I know you can't because I've had this same discussion with you several times, dude. I don't have to search your posts. Here's one: if a spouse leaves Islam, should he/she be forced to leave their Muslim spouse?

https://islamqa.info/en/134339, https://darululoomtt.net/married-leaves-islam/
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:22 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:In any case, under the definition of Shariah, I am an apostate. It is widely accepted that death is an acceptable punishment for those like me.

But see, in Amin's eyes, the beliefs of the majority of the rest of Muslims don't matter. Only his interpretation.

Incorrect.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:23 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:In any case, under the definition of Shariah, I am an apostate. It is widely accepted that death is an acceptable punishment for those like me.

Most Muslims don't consider Ahmadis to be Muslim, and that's probs the same for Saudi and Iran. So they wouldn't even kill you, or that'd force them to accept that Ahmadis are Muslim.
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I'm a New Afrikan Muslim :) https://www.16personalities.com/isfj-personality Sister nation of El-Amin Caliphate
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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