The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[Greater Cesnica]

A massive number one would assume because of how those things work.

You'd be right. It's impossible to identify the exact number or test all of those who make such a claim. The number could be anywhere from several hundred thousand to millions.

The fucking Queen is partially descended from Muhammad.

[Kubumba Tribe]

So I’m not Muslim, so forgive my curiosity
But I’ve been studying a bit on the history of the Caliph and I was wondering, how many people want to have a a caliphate again, and if so how do you believe the Caliph should be chosen?

I want it again, and I think it should be done by shura.

[Saranidia]

The Islamic caliphates were all imperialistic.

Daily reminder that if you want a caliphate then you are an imperialist.

I am not an Imperialist in that I think Caliphates should only rule countries that declare Islam to be the state religion.

[Kubumba Tribe]

The Islamic caliphates were all imperialistic.

Daily reminder that if you want a caliphate then you are an imperialist.

I am not an Imperialist in that I think Caliphates should only rule countries that declare Islam to be the state religion.

Hm. I think all Muslim-majority countries should unite into this Khilafah. Muslim-majority areas, I'd like the same, but that'll be a little more complicated.

[Saranidia]

I am not an Imperialist in that I think Caliphates should only rule countries that declare Islam to be the state religion.

Hm. I think all Muslim-majority countries should unite into this Khilafah. Muslim-majority areas, I'd like the same, but that'll be a little more complicated.

true although I think peaceful and in this case probably democratic means would make Muslim majority nations unite into a caliphate.

I think it should have governors Majilis Al Shura's for what are now different countries as some degree of delegation would have to happen on such a large scale.
Eventually national boundaries would be superfluous especially as the idea means ideas can be exchanged it is a question of distribution of connection and whether people agree with, and they already agree on Islam.

of course governors leading their state Shurta to rebellions would be arrested for hirabah fairly quickly.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Hm. I think all Muslim-majority countries should unite into this Khilafah. Muslim-majority areas, I'd like the same, but that'll be a little more complicated.

true although I think peaceful and in this case probably democratic means would make Muslim majority nations unite into a caliphate.

I think it should have governors Majilis Al Shura's for what are now different countries as some degree of delegation would have to happen on such a large scale.
Eventually national boundaries would be superfluous especially as the idea means ideas can be exchanged it is a question of distribution of connection and whether people agree with, and they already agree on Islam.

of course governors leading their state Shurta to rebellions would be arrested for hirabah fairly quickly.

Agreed.

That last paragraph reminds me of the Ridda Wars.

[Saranidia]

true although I think peaceful and in this case probably democratic means would make Muslim majority nations unite into a caliphate.

I think it should have governors Majilis Al Shura's for what are now different countries as some degree of delegation would have to happen on such a large scale.
Eventually national boundaries would be superfluous especially as the idea means ideas can be exchanged it is a question of distribution of connection and whether people agree with, and they already agree on Islam.

of course governors leading their state Shurta to rebellions would be arrested for hirabah fairly quickly.

Agreed.

That last paragraph reminds me of the Ridda Wars.

indeed.
the governors being probably learned and probably Muslims would have heard of the Ridda wars and so wouldn't think of leading insurrections.
I also think the military would be regularly posted in frontier states such as Chechnya, Bosnia, Moroco, Egypt, Palestine, iraq, Malaysia, Pakistan, Indonesia and Nigeria.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

true although I think peaceful and in this case probably democratic means would make Muslim majority nations unite into a caliphate.

I think it should have governors Majilis Al Shura's for what are now different countries as some degree of delegation would have to happen on such a large scale.
Eventually national boundaries would be superfluous especially as the idea means ideas can be exchanged it is a question of distribution of connection and whether people agree with, and they already agree on Islam.

of course governors leading their state Shurta to rebellions would be arrested for hirabah fairly quickly.

Agreed.

That last paragraph reminds me of the Ridda Wars.

Is that like a TV show, like an Arabic Star Wars?

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Lol reading this must be as ridiculous as when I advocate for Greater Iran. I guess everyone's allowed to have their pipe dreams, though.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Agreed.

That last paragraph reminds me of the Ridda Wars.

indeed.
the governors being probably learned and probably Muslims would have heard of the Ridda wars and so wouldn't think of leading insurrections.
I also think the military would be regularly posted in frontier states such as Chechnya, Bosnia, Moroco, Egypt, Palestine, iraq, Malaysia, Pakistan, Indonesia and Nigeria.

Chechnya is what I mean when I say "Muslim-majority areas". We're gonna have a heck of a time trying to get that from the Russians. Then again, with a united Muslim army and Chechen jihadists....

[Internationalist Bastard]

So I’m not Muslim, so forgive my curiosity
But I’ve been studying a bit on the history of the Caliph and I was wondering, how many people want to have a a caliphate again, and if so how do you believe the Caliph should be chosen?

I want it again, and I think it should be done by shura.

Which to my knowledge is a form of elective monarchy, yes?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Agreed.

That last paragraph reminds me of the Ridda Wars.

Is that like a TV show, like an Arabic Star Wars?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridda_wars

[Internationalist Bastard]

indeed.
the governors being probably learned and probably Muslims would have heard of the Ridda wars and so wouldn't think of leading insurrections.
I also think the military would be regularly posted in frontier states such as Chechnya, Bosnia, Moroco, Egypt, Palestine, iraq, Malaysia, Pakistan, Indonesia and Nigeria.

Chechnya is what I mean when I say "Muslim-majority areas". We're gonna have a heck of a time trying to get that from the Russians. Then again, with a united Muslim army and Chechen jihadists....

Yeah ima have to say no on the whole holy war concept

[Kubumba Tribe]

I want it again, and I think it should be done by shura.

Which to my knowledge is a form of elective monarchy, yes?

Something like that, yes. The people elect the shura (my personal opinion, idk the Islamic answer), the shura elects the Caliph (Islamic answer, at least, the Sunni version).

[Kubumba Tribe]

Chechnya is what I mean when I say "Muslim-majority areas". We're gonna have a heck of a time trying to get that from the Russians. Then again, with a united Muslim army and Chechen jihadists....

Yeah ima have to say no on the whole holy war concept

With all due respect, considering you don't live in the Ummah (correct) I don't think you have much say in the matter.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Which to my knowledge is a form of elective monarchy, yes?

Something like that, yes. The people elect the shura (my personal opinion, idk the Islamic answer), the shura elects the Caliph (Islamic answer, at least, the Sunni version).

Yeah I’ve been told the Sunni answer to the question is essentially, Muhammad expected his followers to choose his successor

[Kubumba Tribe]

Something like that, yes. The people elect the shura (my personal opinion, idk the Islamic answer), the shura elects the Caliph (Islamic answer, at least, the Sunni version).

Yeah I’ve been told the Sunni answer to the question is essentially, Muhammad expected his followers to choose his successor

Yes.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Yeah ima have to say no on the whole holy war concept

With all due respect, considering you don't live in the Ummah (correct) I don't think you have much say in the matter.

I’m against war in most cases
Invading countries to absorb pieces into the caliphate is not something I can condone, even if they are Muslim majority

[Kubumba Tribe]

With all due respect, considering you don't live in the Ummah (correct) I don't think you have much say in the matter.

I’m against war in most cases
Invading countries to absorb pieces into the caliphate is not something I can condone, even if they are Muslim majority

I'm against war as well, but in this case, I support it.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Yeah I’ve been told the Sunni answer to the question is essentially, Muhammad expected his followers to choose his successor

Yes.

Alright

[Greater Cesnica]

I’m against war in most cases
Invading countries to absorb pieces into the caliphate is not something I can condone, even if they are Muslim majority

I'm against war as well, but in this case, I support it.

That would be a travesty of international law.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I’m against war in most cases
Invading countries to absorb pieces into the caliphate is not something I can condone, even if they are Muslim majority

I'm against war as well, but in this case, I support it.

That sets a rather horrible precedent, you understand?

[Kubumba Tribe]

I'm against war as well, but in this case, I support it.

That would be a travesty of international law.

Shari'ah > man-made law

[Kubumba Tribe]

I'm against war as well, but in this case, I support it.

That sets a rather horrible precedent, you understand?

Jihad isn't horrible.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I’m against war in most cases
Invading countries to absorb pieces into the caliphate is not something I can condone, even if they are Muslim majority

I'm against war as well, but in this case, I support it.

If you are against war, but will gladly support it in order to create some pet project of a state, are you really anti-war?