The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[The New California Republic]

Good, I'm glad that we can drawn a line under that nonsense once and for all.

There wasn't any nonsense to begin with.

...except the bit about him being a prophet...

[Kubumba Tribe]

There wasn't any nonsense to begin with.

...except the bit about him being a prophet...

Like I said.

[Jolthig]

...except the bit about him being a prophet...

Like I said.

I mean, Islam doesn't say who the prophets were as they weren't revealed to Muhammad (saw). So we can only speculate.

However, every faith has similarities which leads me to believe in Islam.

[Kubumba Tribe]

I just read about his views on Allah SWT from that link New Cali posted. Zeno isn't a prophet.

[Jolthig]

I just read about his views on Allah SWT from that link New Cali posted. Zeno isn't a prophet.

I read he came after Socrates. According to Revelation Rationality by Mirza Tahir Ahmad, fourth Khalifa of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Socrates was the last prophet to the Greeks because they went really astray into paganism and sin.

[The New California Republic]

There's a reference where he mentioned "God" during his trial and how he received revelation I believe.

From what I remember, he was quite consistent on saying it was Apollo's Oracle that gave his revelation to him. There is debate on whether or not he meant "Apollo" as in the Greco-Roman god, of course, but he did not exactly mention "god" in the monotheistic context. at least, that's what I recall. Maybe a philosopher here can help us more?

I have an MA and an MLitt in Philosophy, but I'm still not touching this at the moment, on account that I'm eating. Maybe later.

[Jolthig]

From what I remember, he was quite consistent on saying it was Apollo's Oracle that gave his revelation to him. There is debate on whether or not he meant "Apollo" as in the Greco-Roman god, of course, but he did not exactly mention "god" in the monotheistic context. at least, that's what I recall. Maybe a philosopher here can help us more?

I have an MA and an MLitt in Philosophy, but I'm still not touching this at the moment, on account that I'm eating. Maybe later.

Nice. I recently started studying a bit of philosophy by reading The Art of Rhetoric by Aristotle last summer. Love to hear from you on that.

[The New California Republic]

I just read about his views on Allah SWT from that link New Cali posted. Zeno isn't a prophet.

I read he came after Socrates. According to Revelation Rationality by Mirza Tahir Ahmad, fourth Khalifa of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Socrates was the last prophet to the Greeks because they went really astray into paganism and sin.

Socrates isn't a prophet either. He asked for a sacrifice to Asclepius to be given as he drank hemlock. I'd say that offering sacrifices to other gods is no bueno in Islam...?

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I have an MA and an MLitt in Philosophy, but I'm still not touching this at the moment, on account that I'm eating. Maybe later.

Nice. I recently started studying a bit of philosophy by reading The Art of Rhetoric by Aristotle last summer. Love to hear from you on that.

I must confess that Ancient Greek Philosophy isn't my particular area of expertise. I have a passing interest in it, but some of my peers who specialize in that area would undoubtedly be able to offer far more than I.

[Kubumba Tribe]

I read he came after Socrates. According to Revelation Rationality by Mirza Tahir Ahmad, fourth Khalifa of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Socrates was the last prophet to the Greeks because they went really astray into paganism and sin.

Socrates isn't a prophet either. He asked for a sacrifice to Asclepius to be given as he drank hemlock. I'd say that offering sacrifices to other gods is no bueno in Islam...?

Correct.

[Jolthig]

I read he came after Socrates. According to Revelation Rationality by Mirza Tahir Ahmad, fourth Khalifa of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Socrates was the last prophet to the Greeks because they went really astray into paganism and sin.

Socrates isn't a prophet either. He asked for a sacrifice to Asclepius to be given as he drank hemlock. I'd say that offering sacrifices to other gods is no bueno in Islam...?

Yeah, it's heresy in Islam. I'll have to bring that passage up from the book I've mentioned.

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Nice. I recently started studying a bit of philosophy by reading The Art of Rhetoric by Aristotle last summer. Love to hear from you on that.

I must confess that Ancient Greek Philosophy isn't my particular area of expertise. I have a passing interest in it, but some of my peers who specialize in that area would undoubtedly be able to offer far more than I.

Awesome.

[Saranidia]

I read he came after Socrates. According to Revelation Rationality by Mirza Tahir Ahmad, fourth Khalifa of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, Socrates was the last prophet to the Greeks because they went really astray into paganism and sin.

Socrates isn't a prophet either. He asked for a sacrifice to Asclepius to be given as he drank hemlock. I'd say that offering sacrifices to other gods is no bueno in Islam...?

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Nice. I recently started studying a bit of philosophy by reading The Art of Rhetoric by Aristotle last summer. Love to hear from you on that.

I must confess that Ancient Greek Philosophy isn't my particular area of expertise. I have a passing interest in it, but some of my peers who specialize in that area would undoubtedly be able to offer far more than I.

if the sacrifice is under duress(maybe a desperate plea to prove his innocence) and he had no mushirkeen beliefs is it still harram?

[Jolthig]

https://medium.com/@cjwerleman/the-isla ... e2d16e8a46

Mohammad Tawhidi is a fraud.

[The New California Republic]

Socrates isn't a prophet either. He asked for a sacrifice to Asclepius to be given as he drank hemlock. I'd say that offering sacrifices to other gods is no bueno in Islam...?

if the sacrifice is under duress(maybe a desperate plea to prove his innocence) and he had no mushirkeen beliefs is it still harram?

It wasn't under duress. It was Socrates' idea, it wasn't forced upon him:

Even the jailer who administered the dose was moved to tears by the great philosopher’s composure. He handed the cup to Socrates, who took it cheerfully, asking if he was allowed to pour out the customary libation. No, came the answer, the dose was just enough to get the job done. At that, Socrates offered a simple prayer. Then, “quite calmly and with no sign of distaste, he drained the cup in one breath.” At this point, his followers, who were struggling to maintain their own composure, broke down weeping, and it was Socrates who comforted them and exhorted them to be brave. Socrates walked around for a few minutes, and as his legs began to feel heavy he lay down on his back. Inexorably, he lost feeling in first his feet, then his legs, as the poison’s effects worked their way up his body. The jailer told him that when the numbness reached his heart, he would die. It had reached his waist when Socrates uncovered his face, which he had covered, to address one of his followers: “Crito, we ought to offer a cock to Asclepius. See to it, and don’t forget.” Crito answered that it would be done, and asked if there was anything else. No reply. A moment later, Socrates was gone.

Source: https://www.bu.edu/arion/files/2010/03/Wells-Mystery-Socrates.pdf

[Saranidia]

if the sacrifice is under duress(maybe a desperate plea to prove his innocence) and he had no mushirkeen beliefs is it still harram?

It wasn't under duress. It was Socrates' idea, it wasn't forced upon him:

Even the jailer who administered the dose was moved to tears by the great philosopher’s composure. He handed the cup to Socrates, who took it cheerfully, asking if he was allowed to pour out the customary libation. No, came the answer, the dose was just enough to get the job done. At that, Socrates offered a simple prayer. Then, “quite calmly and with no sign of distaste, he drained the cup in one breath.” At this point, his followers, who were struggling to maintain their own composure, broke down weeping, and it was Socrates who comforted them and exhorted them to be brave. Socrates walked around for a few minutes, and as his legs began to feel heavy he lay down on his back. Inexorably, he lost feeling in first his feet, then his legs, as the poison’s effects worked their way up his body. The jailer told him that when the numbness reached his heart, he would die. It had reached his waist when Socrates uncovered his face, which he had covered, to address one of his followers: “Crito, we ought to offer a cock to Asclepius. See to it, and don’t forget.” Crito answered that it would be done, and asked if there was anything else. No reply. A moment later, Socrates was gone.

Source: https://www.bu.edu/arion/files/2010/03/Wells-Mystery-Socrates.pdf

hmm seems that would suggest someone who is not a prophet but is an example of someone with great powers of God given reason and compassion who used them to live a courageous life.

[Kubumba Tribe]

It wasn't under duress. It was Socrates' idea, it wasn't forced upon him:


Source: https://www.bu.edu/arion/files/2010/03/Wells-Mystery-Socrates.pdf

hmm seems that would suggest someone who is not a prophet but is an example of someone with great powers of God given reason and compassion who used them to live a courageous life.

Ok, he was still a mushrik.

[Saranidia]

hmm seems that would suggest someone who is not a prophet but is an example of someone with great powers of God given reason and compassion who used them to live a courageous life.

Ok, he was still a mushrik.

I didn't say he wasn't or that he would be forgiven for that, did I? Also I would need to know the accuracy of that claim?(for example why wouldn't they release him if that was the case?)

[Saranidia]

are Deists people of the book(they believe in one God but not the prophets https://www.britannica.com/topic/Deism)

[Jolthig]

are Deists people of the book(they believe in one God but not the prophets https://www.britannica.com/topic/Deism)

No because they don't really have a revealed book.

Their philosophy is that you can search for God through reason only. While Islam in part, believes this, revelation also comes in handy.

[Kubumba Tribe]

are Deists people of the book(they believe in one God but not the prophets https://www.britannica.com/topic/Deism)

http://aboutislam.net/counseling/ask-th ... ng-muslim/

[Sahansahiye Iran]

It's not about disrespect. It's about giving past prophets back their honor. And Muslims oppressing people of other faiths has nothing to do with this topic. They're two different things. I advocate for no oppression of other peoples.

That's just it. At the risk of the usual Right-Wing crowd popping up here to call me off, the situation here is just like any other time cultural misapropriation happens.
The Muslim calls Zardosht "A Prophet", and he just forgets how Zoroastrianism was essentially victim of an open genocide by the Muslims (so much that the number of adherents to the religion is like, less than one million at this day and age).

200,000 left. Only 20,000-50,000 within Iran.

[Frievolk]

That's just it. At the risk of the usual Right-Wing crowd popping up here to call me off, the situation here is just like any other time cultural misapropriation happens.
The Muslim calls Zardosht "A Prophet", and he just forgets how Zoroastrianism was essentially victim of an open genocide by the Muslims (so much that the number of adherents to the religion is like, less than one million at this day and age).

200,000 left. Only 20,000-50,000 within Iran.

I rest my case.
(And yeah, it's even worse than I originally thought)

[Saranidia]

200,000 left. Only 20,000-50,000 within Iran.

I rest my case.
(And yeah, it's even worse than I originally thought)

where does Islam say kill Zoroastrians?

[Washington Resistance Army]

That's just it. At the risk of the usual Right-Wing crowd popping up here to call me off, the situation here is just like any other time cultural misapropriation happens.
The Muslim calls Zardosht "A Prophet", and he just forgets how Zoroastrianism was essentially victim of an open genocide by the Muslims (so much that the number of adherents to the religion is like, less than one million at this day and age).

200,000 left. Only 20,000-50,000 within Iran.

Aren't the numbers growing in Iran though? I swear I heard something like that.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

200,000 left. Only 20,000-50,000 within Iran.

Aren't the numbers growing in Iran though? I swear I heard something like that.

The number of Iranians sympathetic to Zoroastrianism or whatever is growing, yeah. As for the number of actual believers, I couldn't tell you.

[Jolthig]

Someday, I'd like to meet up with some Zoroastrians. Maybe Sah