The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[Jolthig]

It isn't selfish to hold a view that someone can be a prophet of Islam.

It rather is, if that person wasn’t actually Muslim. You can argue the case a bit more, with the early Jewish prophets or Jesus, since Allah and Yahweh are the same being, but you are not just naming someone’s views posthumously (That would be like calling Socrates a rationalist, since the term came about after he died), but rather changing them to fit your narrative. (To keep with the above example, this would be like claiming Socrates was a Social Democrat)

Ahmadiyya does believe Socrates was a prophet, as did an ancient Muslim historian.

[Proctopeo]

It is when he (or she) is not of your culture. It is extremely self-centered, offensive, and in some cases flat out dangerous, in my personal opinion.

No it is not. It gives honor to the respective person of that religion. And I think I'll have to take the position of Amin this time: I really couldn't careless if it's offensive to other people. What matters is if their teachings are in accordance with the Qu'ran or not. It matters what Allah reveals.

Aka, self-centered.
Glad you admit to it

[Kowani]

It rather is, if that person wasn’t actually Muslim. You can argue the case a bit more, with the early Jewish prophets or Jesus, since Allah and Yahweh are the same being, but you are not just naming someone’s views posthumously (That would be like calling Socrates a rationalist, since the term came about after he died), but rather changing them to fit your narrative. (To keep with the above example, this would be like claiming Socrates was a Social Democrat)

Ahmadiyya does believe Socrates was a prophet, as did an ancient Muslim historian.

Okay, I’ve got to hear the reasoning behind this one.

[Kubumba Tribe]

No it is not. It gives honor to the respective person of that religion. And I think I'll have to take the position of Amin this time: I really couldn't careless if it's offensive to other people. What matters is if their teachings are in accordance with the Qu'ran or not. It matters what Allah reveals.

Aka, self-centered.
Glad you admit to it

Self-centered is thinking to highly of yourself or thinking that the world revolves around you. Jolthig is not doing that.

[Frievolk]

Ahmadiyya does believe Socrates was a prophet, as did an ancient Muslim historian.

Okay, I’ve got to hear the reasoning behind this one.

Technically, Muslims believe he was a Hanif. Then again, there is no actual evidence outside of historical revisionism to suggest he was monotheistic.

[Jolthig]

No it is not. It gives honor to the respective person of that religion. And I think I'll have to take the position of Amin this time: I really couldn't careless if it's offensive to other people. What matters is if their teachings are in accordance with the Qu'ran or not. It matters what Allah reveals.

Aka, self-centered.
Glad you admit to it

Ok, fine. You got me.

Still, adhering to my view though.

[Proctopeo]

Aka, self-centered.
Glad you admit to it

Self-centered is thinking to highly of yourself or thinking that the world revolves around you. Jolthig is not doing that.

It's in effect that, though.

Aka, self-centered.
Glad you admit to it

Ok, fine. You got me.

Still, adhering to my view though.

Well, I can't stop you. Just be careful where you mention that.

[Jolthig]

Aka, self-centered.
Glad you admit to it

Self-centered is thinking to highly of yourself or thinking that the world revolves around you. Jolthig is not doing that.

True, but I used in my last post, self-centered as in the context of Islam. Sometime's we gotta be self-centered in certain areas. The majority aren't always right.

[Jolthig]

Self-centered is thinking to highly of yourself or thinking that the world revolves around you. Jolthig is not doing that.

It's in effect that, though.

Ok, fine. You got me.

Still, adhering to my view though.

Well, I can't stop you. Just be careful where you mention that.

Eh, I'm careful all the time.

[Frievolk]

Aka, self-centered.
Glad you admit to it

Self-centered is thinking to highly of yourself or thinking that the world revolves around you. Jolthig is not doing that.

Jolthig literally said that

I really couldn't care less if it's offensive to other people.

That's kinda the definition of being self-centered, which I for one did not expect of him.

(As a point of order, Self-Centered is defined by Merriam Webster as: concerned solely with one's own desires, needs, or interests)

[Kowani]

Okay, I’ve got to hear the reasoning behind this one.

Technically, Muslims believe he was a Hanif. Then again, there is no actual evidence outside of historical revisionism to suggest he was monotheistic.

Man, I get mad enough at Kubumba for leaving me half-Arabic sentences, don’t start on me too!

[Saranidia]

Self-centered is thinking to highly of yourself or thinking that the world revolves around you. Jolthig is not doing that.

Jolthig literally said that

I really couldn't care less if it's offensive to other people.

That's kinda the definition of being self-centered, which I for one did not expect of him.

(As a point of order, Self-Centered is defined by Merriam Webster as: concerned solely with one's own desires, needs, or interests)

will you affirm that you wouldn't say that about being seen as offensive to islam though?

[Jolthig]

Self-centered is thinking to highly of yourself or thinking that the world revolves around you. Jolthig is not doing that.

Jolthig literally said that

I really couldn't care less if it's offensive to other people.

That's kinda the definition of being self-centered, which I for one did not expect of him.

(As a point of order, Self-Centered is defined by Merriam Webster as: concerned solely with one's own desires, needs, or interests)

So, am I self-centered on everything I take it?

[Frievolk]

Technically, Muslims believe he was a Hanif. Then again, there is no actual evidence outside of historical revisionism to suggest he was monotheistic.

Man, I get mad enough at Kubumba for leaving me half-Arabic sentences, don’t start on me too!

Sorry. Hanif is a term used by Muslims to describe Pre-Islamic closet monotheists.

[Jolthig]

Ahmadiyya does believe Socrates was a prophet, as did an ancient Muslim historian.

Okay, I’ve got to hear the reasoning behind this one.

There's a reference where he mentioned "God" during his trial and how he received revelation I believe.

[Frievolk]

Jolthig literally said that

I really couldn't care less if it's offensive to other people.

That's kinda the definition of being self-centered, which I for one did not expect of him.

(As a point of order, Self-Centered is defined by Merriam Webster as: concerned solely with one's own desires, needs, or interests)

So, am I self-centered on everything I take it?

I don't know you well enough to suggest you're "self-centered on everything". I hope you aren't.
You were being self-centered in this situation, however.

[Saranidia]

what is the Ahmadiyyah position on gay rights because the video in this https://www.trueislam.com/home/ links homophobia and islamophobia as prejudices?

[Jolthig]

So, am I self-centered on everything I take it?

I don't know you well enough to suggest you're "self-centered on everything". I hope you aren't.
You were being self-centered in this situation, however.

I think you missed my post where I finally said, yes I was.

Still, faith comes first before the opinions of others.

If anyone is offended at my views, that's fine. I'm still going to adhere to them.

[Frievolk]

Okay, I’ve got to hear the reasoning behind this one.

There's a reference where he mentioned "God" during his trial and how he received revelation I believe.

From what I remember, he was quite consistent on saying it was Apollo's Oracle that gave his revelation to him. There is debate on whether or not he meant "Apollo" as in the Greco-Roman god, of course, but he did not exactly mention "god" in the monotheistic context. at least, that's what I recall. Maybe a philosopher here can help us more?

[The New California Republic]

No.

If so, he's not a prophet.

Good, I'm glad that we can drawn a line under that nonsense once and for all.

[Jolthig]

what is the Ahmadiyyah position on gay rights because the video in this https://www.trueislam.com/home/ links homophobia and islamophobia as prejudices?

Since Ahmadiyya believes in separation of mosque and state, gays may have their rights as there is no compulsion in religion; though we still view it as a sin and not allowed in the community.

[Jolthig]

There's a reference where he mentioned "God" during his trial and how he received revelation I believe.

From what I remember, he was quite consistent on saying it was Apollo's Oracle that gave his revelation to him. There is debate on whether or not he meant "Apollo" as in the Greco-Roman god, of course, but he did not exactly mention "god" in the monotheistic context. at least, that's what I recall. Maybe a philosopher here can help us more?

There's Aulus and that one guy I had a discussion with yesterday.

[Jolthig]

If so, he's not a prophet.

Good, I'm glad that we can drawn a line under that nonsense once and for all.

What did I miss in that convo?

[Kubumba Tribe]

If so, he's not a prophet.

Good, I'm glad that we can drawn a line under that nonsense once and for all.

There wasn't any nonsense to begin with.

[Saranidia]

There's a reference where he mentioned "God" during his trial and how he received revelation I believe.

From what I remember, he was quite consistent on saying it was Apollo's Oracle that gave his revelation to him. There is debate on whether or not he meant "Apollo" as in the Greco-Roman god, of course, but he did not exactly mention "god" in the monotheistic context. at least, that's what I recall. Maybe a philosopher here can help us more?

I did a philosophy course online and will possibly do philosophy A level(I also did Philosophy of religion when it was a GCSE and Existence of God and Revelation where you think about arguments for and against God's existence)

Well firstly there are differences between accounts on socrates, Plato describes him as supporting Hellenic gods and being a polytheist of sorts(in Euthyphro) but also rejecting the idea that god/God can be evil and reffering to god in a singular sense as well as talking about the single form of the good behind the unchanging truth of perfect forms and indirectly our world(sort of like an esoteric interpretation of God and heaven that might be held by Sufis in The Republic), there was also concept that
he rejected the old gods and brought new gods according to an Athenian law court.
He challenged the wealthy and those who were strong in military followers in favour of the geninuely wise and good in platos republic and he also
refused to inform on his friend to the Thirty Tyrants.