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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:42 pm

Although I am not a Muslim, I am a sociologist of religion. My primary specialization is Taṣawwuf (صُوفِيَّة) or, more specifically, the work of the Punjabi Ṣūfiyy, Ḥaḍ°rat Sul°ṭān Bāhū (Arabo–Persian/Fārisiyyaẗ–ʿArabiyyaẗ, حَضْرَت سُلْطَان بَاهُو).

Further information is here.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:59 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:Although I am not a Muslim, I am a sociologist of religion. My primary specialization is Taṣawwuf (صُوفِيَّة) or, more specifically, the work of the Punjabi Ṣūfiyy, Ḥaḍ°rat Sul°ṭān Bāhū (Arabo–Persian/Fārisiyyaẗ–ʿArabiyyaẗ, حَضْرَت سُلْطَان بَاهُو).

Further information is here.

Do you have a better website? Because that website isn't balanaced out. Also, are you this has anything to do with Al-Islam? Because that looks very sketchy. Also, I searched the man up and got this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Bahu
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:11 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Do you have a better website? Because that website isn't balanaced out. Also, are you this has anything to do with Al-Islam? Because that looks very sketchy. Also, I searched the man up and got this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Bahu


Well, it is fictional. It is not one of my scholarly works. However, I have also published in the area. My main page which links to my 35 domains is The MarkFoster.NETwork.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:18 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Do you have a better website? Because that website isn't balanaced out. Also, are you this has anything to do with Al-Islam? Because that looks very sketchy. Also, I searched the man up and got this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Bahu


Well, it is fictional. It is not one of my scholarly works. However, I have also published in the area. My main page which links to my 35 domains is The MarkFoster.NETwork.

Wait, all this "Sufi Comunist Collective" stuff is fake?
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:25 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Wait, all this "Sufi Comunist Collective" stuff is fake?


Do you find my work to be offensive? If so, perhaps you should avoid reading it. :p
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:02 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Wait, all this "Sufi Comunist Collective" stuff is fake?


Do you find my work to be offensive? If so, perhaps you should avoid reading it. :p

I was asking a question.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:08 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I was asking a question.


You wrote:

Wait, all this "Sufi Comunist Collective" stuff is fake?


Yes, it is fiction, like most nations on NationStates.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:12 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I was asking a question.


You wrote:

Wait, all this "Sufi Comunist Collective" stuff is fake?


Yes, it is fiction, like most nations on NationStates.

That's not what I meant. I'm not asking about nations, I'm asking about this: http://mcc.markfoster.red
You're saying that this website you made (did you make this?) Is fictional? There isn't actually some Tariqa Bahuwiyyah communists?
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Tue Sep 04, 2018 8:59 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:That's not what I meant. I'm not asking about nations, I'm asking about this: http://mcc.markfoster.red
You're saying that this website you made (did you make this?) Is fictional? There isn't actually some Tariqa Bahuwiyyah communists?


No, that book is written about this nation. One of the reasons I am on NationStates is to support my students. Creating a nation on NationStates is one the options my students have for their semester exam, as explained on this page. I have written three books, one for each of my three NationStates nations. However, Ṭarīqaẗ ʾal-Bāhuwiyyaẗ of The Multiversal Communist Collective is the only one based on Taṣawwuf (تَصَوُّف).

Although I am not a Muslim, I have tremendous admiration for Islam, especially Ṭaríqat–i Qād°riýah–i Sār°vāriýah (Arabo–Persian, طَرِيقَتِ قَادْرِیِیَّهِ سَارْوَارِیَّهِ) of Ḥaḍ°rat Sul°ṭān Bāhū.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:05 am

I see you love Judaism too :P
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“Und Mirza”

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:17 am

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:That's not what I meant. I'm not asking about nations, I'm asking about this: http://mcc.markfoster.red
You're saying that this website you made (did you make this?) Is fictional? There isn't actually some Tariqa Bahuwiyyah communists?


No, that book is written about this nation. One of the reasons I am on NationStates is to support my students. Creating a nation on NationStates is one the options my students have for their semester exam, as explained on this page. I have written three books, one for each of my three NationStates nations. However, Ṭarīqaẗ ʾal-Bāhuwiyyaẗ of The Multiversal Communist Collective is the only one based on Taṣawwuf (تَصَوُّف).

Although I am not a Muslim, I have tremendous admiration for Islam, especially Ṭaríqat–i Qād°riýah–i Sār°vāriýah (Arabo–Persian, طَرِيقَتِ قَادْرِیِیَّهِ سَارْوَارِیَّهِ) of Ḥaḍ°rat Sul°ṭān Bāhū.

Ok
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:20 am

Jolthig wrote:I see you love Judaism too :P


I grew up in a secular Jewish family. However, to be honest, I prefer Islam over Judaism. I am also pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:10 am

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I see you love Judaism too :P


I grew up in a secular Jewish family. However, to be honest, I prefer Islam over Judaism. I am also pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist.

I see.

Well Shalom alechiem/Assalaam o alakium :)
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“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

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Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:33 am

Jolthig wrote:Well Shalom alechiem/Assalaam o alakium :)


ʿalaykum ʾal-ssalām
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Postby Nunavutialand » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:37 am

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I see you love Judaism too :P


I grew up in a secular Jewish family. However, to be honest, I prefer Islam over Judaism. I am also pro-Palestinian and anti-Zionist.

According to the IHRA you are now anti-Semitic and can be arrested by British police for hate speech.

Nonetheless, I love Judaism and Jewish people in general. I just have a strong hatred for Israel and radical Zionists.

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:19 am

Nunavutialand wrote:According to the IHRA you are now anti-Semitic and can be arrested by British police for hate speech.

Nonetheless, I love Judaism and Jewish people in general. I just have a strong hatred for Israel and radical Zionists.


Fortunately, I live in the U.S. (although, generally speaking, I like the UK and the British people). In addition, I care less about my own fate than about social justice.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:03 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Nunavutialand wrote:According to the IHRA you are now anti-Semitic and can be arrested by British police for hate speech.

Nonetheless, I love Judaism and Jewish people in general. I just have a strong hatred for Israel and radical Zionists.


Fortunately, I live in the U.S. (although, generally speaking, I like the UK and the British people). In addition, I care less about my own fate than about social justice.

Besides the point, the First Amendment protects this view and right. :D
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Jolthig » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:11 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Fahran wrote:Based on the film? Probably the Deobandi/Salafi movements.

Hey, the Salafis are cool. It's the Wahhabis that give them a bad name.
Fahran wrote:Yes. A number of scholars have argued that Jesus was himself a Pharisee by the standards of the time since he clearly believed in a resurrection, emphasized a popular form of religious devotion and observance, acknowledged the Oral Torah and the Prophets who followed Moses, and generally opposed the Sadducee-dominated power structure. Of course, it's difficult to know for certain what his beliefs were since the Bible, much like the Torah, was compiled and heavily edited centuries after these events occurred.

The Tawrat was edited too?

While I understand they want to imitate the companions of the Prophet (saw), I dislike their literalist interpretation of the Quran and Hadith. I'm all about balance as the Quran says we need to be balanced
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“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:24 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Fahran wrote:Based on the film? Probably the Deobandi/Salafi movements.

Hey, the Salafis are cool. It's the Wahhabis that give them a bad name.

Nah, they're both complete shit ideologies that have no place in the modern world. Seriously. It's utterly idiotic to believe that we should live the same way and hold the same morals as some Arabs who lived 1400 years ago.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:29 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Hey, the Salafis are cool. It's the Wahhabis that give them a bad name.

Nah, they're both complete shit ideologies that have no place in the modern world. Seriously. It's utterly idiotic to believe that we should live the same way and hold the same morals as some Arabs who lived 1400 years ago.

Oh c'mon, Sah. Living 7th Century conditions is cool. We'll be like the Amish and we'll sing "Amish Paradise" as we ride our camels to the supermarket on an extreme busy day in the city.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:38 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Nah, they're both complete shit ideologies that have no place in the modern world. Seriously. It's utterly idiotic to believe that we should live the same way and hold the same morals as some Arabs who lived 1400 years ago.

Oh c'mon, Sah. Living 7th Century conditions is cool. We'll be like the Amish and we'll sing "Amish Paradise" as we ride our camels to the supermarket on an extreme busy day in the city.

You know, as neato as that sounds, I much prefer to have things like the Internet and no slavery. Thanx.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:40 pm

Jolthig wrote:Besides the point, the First Amendment protects this view and right. :D


With Jeff Sessions, I am not so sure, but I hope you are right.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:43 pm

Jolthig wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Hey, the Salafis are cool. It's the Wahhabis that give them a bad name.

The Tawrat was edited too?

While I understand they want to imitate the companions of the Prophet (saw), I dislike their literalist interpretation of the Quran and Hadith. I'm all about balance as the Quran says we need to be balanced

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:This is all true. About Wahhabis, not Salafis.
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:45 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Jolthig wrote:While I understand they want to imitate the companions of the Prophet (saw), I dislike their literalist interpretation of the Quran and Hadith. I'm all about balance as the Quran says we need to be balanced

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:This is all true. About Wahhabis, not Salafis.

I don't think you understand what a Salafi is. Salafism explicitly holds a belief in purely the zahir meaning of the Quran.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:48 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:

I don't think you understand what a Salafi is. Salafism explicitly holds a belief in purely the zahir meaning of the Quran.

Yes, they're pretty strict in their interpretations, I know.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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