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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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Jolthig
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Postby Jolthig » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:10 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Jolthig wrote:In the meantime, I wanna do something different for this thread. Tired of debating the same thing with people over and over again, and it really diminishes the productivity as well as interest in this thread, especially from people who want to sincerely ask questions about Islam or have a benefitial discussion on the faith. Anyone get where I'm coming from?

I mean, I get we are on a debate forum, but still. I would like to do something different.

You think our questions aren't sincere?
Okay fine how about this.
Leader of the Ummah by popular will or ancestry?

The former I sympathize with the latter befuddles me as much as other forms of monarchy/aristocracy.

Interestingly enough, I was actually thinking of bringing up the topic of Khalifat in this thread. :rofl:

I'll give a reply tomorrow as I got a sleeping schedule to change due to college in less than a week.
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Frievolk » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:58 pm

Jolthig wrote:Oh snap! We won't be hearing from Amin in a week.

Well. There's no use in the continuation of the above discussion with the exception via telegram with you, Pillarcraft, if you don't mind.

I don't mind. By all means, TG me at your earliest convenience :p
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Postby Frievolk » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:00 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Jolthig wrote:In the meantime, I wanna do something different for this thread. Tired of debating the same thing with people over and over again, and it really diminishes the productivity as well as interest in this thread, especially from people who want to sincerely ask questions about Islam or have a benefitial discussion on the faith. Anyone get where I'm coming from?

I mean, I get we are on a debate forum, but still. I would like to do something different.

You think our questions aren't sincere?
Okay fine how about this.
Leader of the Ummah by popular will or ancestry?

The former I sympathize with the latter befuddles me as much as other forms of monarchy/aristocracy.
This is the Shia vs. Sunni debacle in a thin veil, innit?
In my opinion, a religious state is by definition illegitimate and should not exist (I'll go further with this: if a territory has a theo-state, it does not have a state and in my opinion, it is free real estate for any other person to found an actual state on) but, in all seriousness, popular will is superior to ancestry where the theocracy is concerned (which is not true where monarchy is concerned, though elective monarchy isn't that bad either imo)
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:24 am

I just had a Twitter battle with David Wood. Man that guy is really dishonest
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:30 am

Jolthig wrote:I just had a Twitter battle with David Wood. Man that guy is really dishonest

He's an evangelical apologist so no surprise.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:34 am

Genivaria wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I just had a Twitter battle with David Wood. Man that guy is really dishonest

He's an evangelical apologist so no surprise.

I just laugh because he always has a smirk on his face whenever he does his videos. As if he was joking and being sarcastic
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:41 am

Jolthig wrote:
Genivaria wrote:He's an evangelical apologist so no surprise.

I just laugh because he always has a smirk on his face whenever he does his videos. As if he was joking and being sarcastic

His wiki page suggests that he magically converts everyone around him to be Christian and that everything in his life got better when he himself became Christian.
Sounds like every other apologist spew I've ever heard.
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Jolthig
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:43 am

Genivaria wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I just laugh because he always has a smirk on his face whenever he does his videos. As if he was joking and being sarcastic

His wiki page suggests that he magically converts everyone around him to be Christian and that everything in his life got better when he himself became Christian.
Sounds like every other apologist spew I've ever heard.

Yeah, the only Apologist I think is more sincere is James White. He at least has passion whereas Wood just jokes around
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Grenartia wrote:Then we Marshall Plan it.

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Jolthig
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:53 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I just laugh because he always has a smirk on his face whenever he does his videos. As if he was joking and being sarcastic

His wiki page suggests that he magically converts everyone around him to be Christian and that everything in his life got better when he himself became Christian.
Sounds like every other apologist spew I've ever heard.

Oh, he did convert the deceased Nabeel Qureshi, but that still doesn't make Wood credible.

Wood seems like a psychopath so his faith barely changed him. He just isn't violent and psychology says not all psychopaths are violent
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Grenartia wrote:Then we Marshall Plan it.

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:56 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Genivaria wrote:His wiki page suggests that he magically converts everyone around him to be Christian and that everything in his life got better when he himself became Christian.
Sounds like every other apologist spew I've ever heard.

Yeah, the only Apologist I think is more sincere is James White. He at least has passion whereas Wood just jokes around

I totally thought you were referring to the Patriots running back for a second. *sigh*
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Postby The Eternal Aulus » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:55 am

Most apologists, from my experience, have it high in their heads in the sense that they deem themselves almost infallible. I don't bother converting people, but rather sharing my knowledge.

I mean, I'm not perfect. Maybe someone is, but I couldn't care less.
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Postby Nioya » Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:19 pm

Does the Islamic tradition have any regulations related to immigration?
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:21 pm

Nioya wrote:Does the Islamic tradition have any regulations related to immigration?

Islam has laws of hospitality that date back to Muhammad's time or even before. Immigration and accepting of refugees is particularly important in Islamic history in the Hijira. After Muslims became extensively persecuted in Mecca, they fled to Ethiopia and then Medina where they were welcomed by the Medinans and protected.
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Postby The Eternal Aulus » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:17 am

Nioya wrote:Does the Islamic tradition have any regulations related to immigration?

AFAIK there are no rulings on immigration in Shari'a.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:16 pm

Nioya wrote:Does the Islamic tradition have any regulations related to immigration?

As far as I know, there is none, but Sahansiye Iran seems to give the best answer for that.
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.....Sorry.

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:47 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:(Yeah, I don't read/listening to many news lately. I have to get used to university life in short term, which I'm struggling for now.)

It's just a pun, don't worry :P How Americans pronounce "Iran" sounds like "I ran"
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Postby Khataiy » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:48 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Guess what I did during the ISIS invasion of Syria?


Iran.

EDIT:
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Noice

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Postby Jolthig » Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:20 pm

Had my first day of college today so I won't be debating as much now.
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

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LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:00 pm

EID MUBARAK!!!!!
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Postby Kowani » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:01 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:EID MUBARAK!!!!!

...What.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:11 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:EID MUBARAK!!!!!

Yeah, Eid Mubarak from Southeast Asia :hug:

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Postby Jolthig » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:31 pm

Eid mubarak
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Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Lol why

“Und Mirza”

:lol2:

Jean-Paul Sartre wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Isn't that what NSG is for though to a degree?

YOU’RE WRONG.

Allow me to explain using several fallacies, veiled insults, and insinuations that you’re ugly and dumb.

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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:47 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:EID MUBARAK!!!!!

why is this Sardinia-Piedmont toothpaste blue
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:50 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:EID MUBARAK!!!!!

why is this Sardinia-Piedmont toothpaste blue

I wanter to put it in a festive color.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:00 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:why is this Sardinia-Piedmont toothpaste blue

I wanter to put it in a festive color.

Fair enough, although it's a bit hard to see on the background. Better than bright yellow, at least.
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