The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[United Muscovite Nations]

orthodox Christianity isn't a political system.

I have 1700 years of history that say otherwise.

You have history of Christians making political systems, what you don't have is Christ telling us what political system we need. Muhammad was a political leader who created a state based on Islamic law and mandated that all Muslims must follow Islamic law.

Even liberal Muftis agree with this.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

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Or every masjid in function right now. All of these operate within the bounds of Shari'ah.

I never know if you're being deliberately foolish or not.

Debates don't continue when people start being rude. I suggest you stop.

Anyway, technically speaking Shari'ah is more than just state law. Everything that is in the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah is part of Shari'ah, from how to pray, to how to make Hajj, to - including - the number of lashes you give to someone for zina.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I have 1700 years of history that say otherwise.

You have history of Christians making political systems, what you don't have is Christ telling us what political system we need. Muhammad was a political leader who created a state based on Islamic law and mandated that all Muslims must follow Islamic law.

Even liberal Muftis agree with this.

Now, you could argue that Roman Catholicism has an explicit political system that must be followed, but Roman Catholicism is a particular type of Christianity.

[Conserative Morality]

You have history of Christians making political systems, what you don't have is Christ telling us what political system we need.

No, you have the Church for that. Or are Church traditions no longer legitimate? I never took you for a sola scriptura type.

Muhammad was a political leader who created a state based on Islamic law and mandated that all Muslims must follow Islamic law.

Even liberal Muftis agree with this.

And? The Jews had kings appointed by God and mandated that all within Israel had to follow His law. Doesn't mean that you can't be a Jew without demanding that the State enforce Jewish law upon Jews.

[Marxist Germany]

No, it's not.

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Or every masjid in function right now. All of these operate within the bounds of Shari'ah.

This is why mosques should be closed and practising Islam in public as well.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I think he means theologically speaking.

I have 1700 years of theology that say otherwise.

I'm pretty sure it didn't take the Bible 1700 years to be written.

I have 1700 years of history that say otherwise.

You have history of Christians making political systems, what you don't have is Christ telling us what political system we need. Muhammad was a political leader who created a state based on Islamic law and mandated that all Muslims must follow Islamic law.

Even liberal Muftis agree with this.

[United Muscovite Nations]

You have history of Christians making political systems, what you don't have is Christ telling us what political system we need.

No, you have the Church for that. Or are Church traditions no longer legitimate? I never took you for a sola scriptura type.

Muhammad was a political leader who created a state based on Islamic law and mandated that all Muslims must follow Islamic law.

Even liberal Muftis agree with this.

And? The Jews had kings appointed by God and mandated that all within Israel had to follow His law. Doesn't mean that you can't be a Jew without demanding that the State enforce Jewish law upon Jews.

The Church has never infallibly made a declaration about what political system is mandatory for Christians to promote.

You can be a Muslim who is against Islamic law, but you would have to essentially be a Muslim who doesn't accept large parts of Islamic theology.

[United Muscovite Nations]

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Or every masjid in function right now. All of these operate within the bounds of Shari'ah.

This is why mosques should be closed and practising Islam in public as well.

That's just ridiculous. People should be allowed to practice their religion as long as they're not hurting others.

[Conserative Morality]

Now, you could argue that Roman Catholicism has an explicit political system that must be followed, but Roman Catholicism is a particular type of Christianity.

It's the OG, dunno what else you'd refer to as orthodox (small o) in the sense that you were arguing about orthodox Islam. Church of the East?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No, you have the Church for that. Or are Church traditions no longer legitimate? I never took you for a sola scriptura type.

And? The Jews had kings appointed by God and mandated that all within Israel had to follow His law. Doesn't mean that you can't be a Jew without demanding that the State enforce Jewish law upon Jews.

The Church has never infallibly made a declaration about what political system is mandatory for Christians to promote.

You can be a Muslim who is against Islamic law, but you would have to essentially be a Muslim who doesn't accept large parts of Islamic theology.

Tbh that'd be grounds for takfir for some Muslims. Like that's legit shirk, to say you submit to Allah SWT yet put man's law above His Law.

[Marxist Germany]

This is why mosques should be closed and practising Islam in public as well.

That's just ridiculous. People should be allowed to practice their religion as long as they're not hurting others.

Yes, practise it at home

[El-Amin Caliphate]

This is why mosques should be closed and practising Islam in public as well.

That's just ridiculous. People should be allowed to practice their religion as long as they're not hurting others.

Also,
>Tfw you want to ban a religion because they pray, eat, and buy houses differently

[Marxist Germany]

The Church has never infallibly made a declaration about what political system is mandatory for Christians to promote.

You can be a Muslim who is against Islamic law, but you would have to essentially be a Muslim who doesn't accept large parts of Islamic theology.

Tbh that'd be grounds for takfir for some Muslims. Like that's legit shirk, to say you submit to Allah SWT yet put man's law above His Law.

If you come to a country, you must follow the law of it, not the law of some man from 7th century arabia.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Now, you could argue that Roman Catholicism has an explicit political system that must be followed, but Roman Catholicism is a particular type of Christianity.

It's the OG, dunno what else you'd refer to as orthodox (small o) in the sense that you were arguing about orthodox Islam. Church of the East?

All of the Apostolic Churches have the same origins around the same time, none of them are older than each other except in the minds of overzealous followers who maintain the others didn't exist until communion broke off.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

We don't need more ugly nationalism

You respond to everything with these vague liberal soundbites that mean nothing and fail to advance any serious point against your opponents' arguments. Why not try actually defending your point of view properly?

You have made no serious argument. What is British culture? There is no homogenous British culture. What is fundamentally "British" today was not fifty years ago.

[Conserative Morality]

I'm pretty sure it didn't take the Bible 1700 years to be written.

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The Church has never infallibly made a declaration about what political system is mandatory for Christians to promote.

That doesn't mean that the Church has not put forward what system Christians should support being put in place. Furthermore, the concept of papal infallibility only dates to the 19th century.

[Marxist Germany]

That's just ridiculous. People should be allowed to practice their religion as long as they're not hurting others.

Also,
>Tfw you want to ban a religion because they pray, eat, and buy houses differently

This religion commands its followers to slay unbelievers

[El-Amin Caliphate]

You respond to everything with these vague liberal soundbites that mean nothing and fail to advance any serious point against your opponents' arguments. Why not try actually defending your point of view properly?

You have made no serious argument. What is British culture? There is no homogenous British culture. What is fundamentally "British" today was not fifty years ago.

Um, I'd disagree. Yes, British culture has change but there's still a fundamental basis most Brits agree on/follow.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I'm pretty sure it didn't take the Bible 1700 years to be written.

...

The Church has never infallibly made a declaration about what political system is mandatory for Christians to promote.

That doesn't mean that the Church has not put forward what system Christians should support being put in place. Furthermore, the concept of papal infallibility only dates to the 19th century.

Just because papal infallibility didn't exist doesn't mean church infallibility didn't exist, church infallibility, as put forward by Ecumenical Councils, has been accepted since the 4th century.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Also,
>Tfw you want to ban a religion because they pray, eat, and buy houses differently

This religion commands its followers to slay unbelievers

Yes, that's what you do in warfare.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

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Or every masjid in function right now. All of these operate within the bounds of Shari'ah.

This is why mosques should be closed and practising Islam in public as well.

That is grounds for jihad.

[Conserative Morality]

All of the Apostolic Churches have the same origins around the same time, none of them are older than each other except in the minds of overzealous followers who maintain the others didn't exist until communion broke off.

>> apostolic succession means all churches claiming it are as old as each other

Hot take, 1st century Lutheranism.

[Badb Catha]

Why?

You're seriously asking a Muslim why a nation that persecuted his brothers and sisters should die? like, that sounds like a self-explanatory question to me.

Are the Lakota nation the same as French speaking Lousiana creole people outside of their citizenship? Are the Amish not a parallel society? Are the Orthodox Jews in parts of New York not a parallel society?

Point made, except for the Orthodox Jews. Then again idk much about them.

You would answer persecution with genocide? That is immoral and unacceptable.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

This is why mosques should be closed and practising Islam in public as well.

That is grounds for jihad.

Yo you gotta stop exciting my jihad juices akhi

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

Also,
>Tfw you want to ban a religion because they pray, eat, and buy houses differently

This religion commands its followers to slay unbelievers

Only when they are harassing and attacking you.