The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[El-Amin Caliphate]

God's authority cannot, although other things can.

I don't believe in a god, and the fact that Jews and Christians have adapted show how wrong you are.

Jews and Christians not adhering to their religion =/= Allah's SWT Law changed. Also, Jews, Chrsistians, Muslims or any religious group not adhering to their religion =/= the religion has changed.

[Free Land of The Free Land of Freedo]

Ethnicity is as much about linguistics and culture as anything else, and there are clearly several distinct ethnic groups within the blanket of "British people." I would not describe "British" as an ethnic identity.

This is a fair point and I personally see myself as English ethnically, whereas British is more of a civic identity. Culture (of which religion and language play a huge role) can create ethnic differences between genetically similar people, of course. I'm not a genetic essentialist

[Neutraligon]

I don't believe in a god, and the fact that Jews and Christians have adapted show how wrong you are.

Jews and Christians not adhering to their religion =/= Allah's SWT Law changed. Also, Jews, Chrsistians, Muslims or any religious group not adhering to their religion =/= the religion has changed.

Except that they are adhering to their religions, they just have different ideas of what the Law actually means. In Judaism in particular people spend a great deal of time arguing over these various points. You know the laws of kashrut...well many of those are actually adaptations. No where does it say you cannot eat milk an meat together in the torah.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

God's authority cannot, although other things can.

I don't believe in a god, and the fact that Jews and Christians have adapted show how wrong you are.

You mean how wrong they are.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Jews haven't adapted so much as apostatized.

I disagree, strongly.

How so?

[Conserative Morality]

Doesn't mean everyone believes in that.

It's a pretty clear expression of the American creed. Don't know why you'd count yourself as an American if you don't even believe in that much, except as a fifth columnist little better than the German-American Bund or Lost Causers.

[Neutraligon]

You mean how wrong they are.

I said exactly what I meant to say.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Jews and Christians not adhering to their religion =/= Allah's SWT Law changed. Also, Jews, Chrsistians, Muslims or any religious group not adhering to their religion =/= the religion has changed.

Except that they are adhering to their religions, they just have different ideas of what the Law actually means. In Judaism in particular people spend a great deal of time arguing over these various points. You know the laws of kashrut...well many of those are actually adaptations. No where does it say you cannot eat milk an meat together in the torah.

Ah yes, I forgot the Reform Jews unironically think they tricked God by being super lawyers.

[Neutraligon]

I disagree, strongly.

How so?

Like I said above, one of the key aspects of Judaism is debate over what is and is not meant by gods word. What should and should not be followed. The laws of kashrut, many of those are part of the fences that surround the law, and are not actually part of the law.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Jews and Christians not adhering to their religion =/= Allah's SWT Law changed. Also, Jews, Chrsistians, Muslims or any religious group not adhering to their religion =/= the religion has changed.

Except that they are adhering to their religions, they just have different ideas of what the Law actually means. In Judaism in particular people spend a great deal of time arguing over these various points. You know the laws of kashrut...well many of those are actually adaptations. No where does it say you cannot eat milk an meat together in the torah.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm saying that if a Christian were to not live according to the 10 Comandmnets then he's/she's not adhering to their religion. If a Jew doesn't believe in the Exodus then their not adhering to their religion.

[Neutraligon]

Except that they are adhering to their religions, they just have different ideas of what the Law actually means. In Judaism in particular people spend a great deal of time arguing over these various points. You know the laws of kashrut...well many of those are actually adaptations. No where does it say you cannot eat milk an meat together in the torah.

Ah yes, I forgot the Reform Jews unironically think they tricked God by being super lawyers.

No they do not think that. Are you enjoying strawmanning?

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

You mean how wrong they are.

I said exactly what I meant to say.

Then let me point out your error: you equated Islam with Christianity and Judaism.

[Old Tyrannia]

we are after all a nation of mongrels.

We absolutely aren't and it's odd to me that you'd repeat an Yvette Cooper line almost word for word. 90% of our DNA is traceable to the Beaker invasion of 2000 ish BC and the Anglo-Saxon invasions of 1500 years ago or so, and the Anglo-Saxons were almost genetically indistinguishable from the Beaker folk anyway. Almost all of the rest of the 10% comes from either the pre Beaker neolithic people who were mostly wiped out by them, or from other north west European people migrating in small numbers over the centuries, like the Huguenots. We are a mostly homogenous and genetically distinct people, even from the French and Germans, our near neighbours and close cousins.

I know there's a substantial degree of genetic continuity between modern British people and early settlers. I still don't see it as particularly relevant. There have certainly been various waves of migration to these islands and our cultural identity has been influenced by Celtic, Anglo-Saxon, Norse and Norman French migration. Perhaps I chose my words poorly and I regret that in doing so I gave you an opportunity to launch into your obviously well-rehearsed lecture, but ultimately it makes no difference to my wider point.

[Conserative Morality]

Ah yes, I forgot the Reform Jews unironically think they tricked God by being super lawyers.

When you literally make a contract, isn't it the contract as agreed upon the contract, regardless of oversights? Consider how often Jews in the Old Testament bicker with God, and sometimes win out.

[Neutraligon]

Except that they are adhering to their religions, they just have different ideas of what the Law actually means. In Judaism in particular people spend a great deal of time arguing over these various points. You know the laws of kashrut...well many of those are actually adaptations. No where does it say you cannot eat milk an meat together in the torah.

That's not what I'm taokinga about. I'm saying that if a Christian were to not live according to the 10 Comandmnets then he's/she's not adhering to their religion. If a Jew doesn't believe in the Exodus then their not adhering to their religion.

Funny since according to Jews they are not living by the 10 commandments. Many Jews do not believe the exodus actually happened, that the story is allegorical at best or meant to be a teaching story,nothing more.

[United Muscovite Nations]

How so?

Like I said above, one of the key aspects of Judaism is debate over what is and is not meant by gods word. What should and should not be followed. The laws of kashrut, many of those are part of the fences that surround the law, and are not actually part of the law.

Yet no other sect except the reform Jews, who openly acknowledge that they view secular law as more important than religious law, accept that reasoning, curious.

[Neutraligon]

Ah yes, I forgot the Reform Jews unironically think they tricked God by being super lawyers.

When you literally make a contract, isn't it the contract as agreed upon the contract, regardless of oversights? Consider how often Jews in the Old Testament bicker with God, and sometimes win out.

I mean one of the founders of Judaism is called Israel.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

That's not what I'm taokinga about. I'm saying that if a Christian were to not live according to the 10 Comandmnets then he's/she's not adhering to their religion. If a Jew doesn't believe in the Exodus then their not adhering to their religion.

Funny since according to Jews they are not living by the 10 commandments. Many Jews do not believe the exodus actually happened, that the story is allegorical at best or meant to be a teaching story,nothing more.

Is that according to the Torah, legitimate Rabbis or your average Jewish person?

[Neutraligon]

Like I said above, one of the key aspects of Judaism is debate over what is and is not meant by gods word. What should and should not be followed. The laws of kashrut, many of those are part of the fences that surround the law, and are not actually part of the law.

Yet no other sect except the reform Jews, who openly acknowledge that they view secular law as more important than religious law, accept that reasoning, curious.

Actually they do, because they have actually read the torah. Once again, no where does it actually say not to eat milk and meat together in the Torah.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Anyways y'all we're straying off topic.

Shari'ah should be everywhere wherever Muslims live.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Ah yes, I forgot the Reform Jews unironically think they tricked God by being super lawyers.

No they do not think that. Are you enjoying strawmanning?

How do reform Jews get around the whole Mosaic Law thing? That's not held to be part of Kashrut.

[Neutraligon]

Funny since according to Jews they are not living by the 10 commandments. Many Jews do not believe the exodus actually happened, that the story is allegorical at best or meant to be a teaching story,nothing more.

Is that according to the Torah, legitimate Rabbis or your average Jewish person?

Rabbis. The Torah does not explicitly say what is and is not a teaching story. It does not explicitly say what is and is not parable.

[Neutraligon]

No they do not think that. Are you enjoying strawmanning?

How do reform Jews get around the whole Mosaic Law thing? That's not held to be part of Kashrut.

Depends on the synagogue and Jew.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Yet no other sect except the reform Jews, who openly acknowledge that they view secular law as more important than religious law, accept that reasoning, curious.

Actually they do, because they have actually read the torah. Once again, no where does it actually say not to eat milk and meat together in the Torah.

Maybe we should get Menassah in here to tell us all about how reform Jews follow the Law?

Or how about religious authorities who no longer even accept reform conversions as legitimate?

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

Anyways y'all we're straying off topic.

Shari'ah should be everywhere wherever Muslims live.

Of course but it shouldn't be imposed on the unbelievers.