The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[El-Amin Caliphate]

This is false. Heck, this isn't even true between one citizen and another.

I exempt people like you who don't really believe themselves to be American

When did I say this?

or believe in America.

I live in America right now. It'd be pretty stupid of me not to believe in it.

British people aren't an ethnicity, they're a nationality.

You are wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
British people fit this closely, except this part: "Ethnic groups, derived from the same historical founder population, often continue to speak related languages and share a similar gene pool."
Or is there something about y'all that I don't know about?

[Old Tyrannia]

The British people are not simply people who live in Britain, they are a particular cultural group with a common set of values, institutions and history

We're an ethnic group (or groups), and you forgot to mention we have a common set of genetics as well

I'm not some petty racist, a person's genetics don't concern me. The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb, and we are after all a nation of mongrels. If a person identifies with British culture above all else, respects our laws and institutions and is sincerely loyal to the Crown, that is enough for me. There's no gene for Britishness. But if people want to form a nation within a nation- with laws and institutions separate from the rest of society- then clearly that cannot be tolerated.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I'd hope that nation gets killed.

"Defending your nation when attacked means we kill you for this unforgivable breach of contract"

10/10, would use to destroy Carthage again

You didn't see his first post did you?

[Conserative Morality]

I exempt people like you who don't really believe themselves to be American or believe in America.

America means different things to different people.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

We're an ethnic group (or groups), and you forgot to mention we have a common set of genetics as well

I'm not some petty racist, a person's genetics don't concern me. The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb, and we are after all a nation of mongrels. If a person identifies with British culture above all else, respects our laws and institutions and is sincerely loyal to the Crown, that is enough for me. There's no gene for Britishness. But if people want to form a nation within a nation- with laws and institutions separate from the rest of society- then clearly that cannot be tolerated.

Culture changes dramatically, it isn't static.

[Free Land of The Free Land of Freedo]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
British people fit this closely, except this part: "Ethnic groups, derived from the same historical founder population, often continue to speak related languages and share a similar gene pool."
Or is there something about y'all that I don't know about?

The British (and Irish) plot distinctly on PCA charts, we are a genetically distinct people who can trace most of our ancestry back to the rhinestone beaker folk, we're an ethnic group

[Old Tyrannia]

I'm not some petty racist, a person's genetics don't concern me. The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb, and we are after all a nation of mongrels. If a person identifies with British culture above all else, respects our laws and institutions and is sincerely loyal to the Crown, that is enough for me. There's no gene for Britishness. But if people want to form a nation within a nation- with laws and institutions separate from the rest of society- then clearly that cannot be tolerated.

Culture changes dramatically, it isn't static.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
British people fit this closely, except this part: "Ethnic groups, derived from the same historical founder population, often continue to speak related languages and share a similar gene pool."
Or is there something about y'all that I don't know about?

The British (and Irish) plot distinctly on PCA charts, we are a genetically distinct people who can trace most of our ancestry back to the rhinestone beaker folk, we're an ethnic group

Ethnicity is as much about linguistics and culture as anything else, and there are clearly several distinct ethnic groups within the blanket of "British people." I would not describe "British" as an ethnic identity.

[United Muscovite Nations]

America means different things to different people.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

What about it?

[Neutraligon]

I'm not some petty racist, a person's genetics don't concern me. The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb, and we are after all a nation of mongrels. If a person identifies with British culture above all else, respects our laws and institutions and is sincerely loyal to the Crown, that is enough for me. There's no gene for Britishness. But if people want to form a nation within a nation- with laws and institutions separate from the rest of society- then clearly that cannot be tolerated.

Culture changes dramatically, it isn't static.

Correct, which is why Islam can change to match the countries they live in.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

America means different things to different people.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Ftfy. If you're gonna talk up your patriotism at lesst say the pledge right.

[Conserative Morality]

I exempt people like you who don't really believe themselves to be American

When did I say this?

or believe in America.

I live in America right now. It'd be pretty stupid of me not to believe in it.

You are wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
British people fit this closely, except this part: "Ethnic groups, derived from the same historical founder population, often continue to speak related languages and share a similar gene pool."
Or is there something about y'all that I don't know about?

Only American patriots can answer this question?

Hi, Islamist speaking.

American history sucks in most ways.

But even if America did last longer, Islamic civilization > American civilization.

Unless I gave so the land back to the Native American tribes who still exist and want their land back, then that could be injuring America, but not destroy it. Hmmmmmmm

The US not being the only superpower sounds pretty good to me.

Unless you're a patriotic American.

Fortunately I'm not

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

America means different things to different people.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

And true justice comes from God, the glorious, the most exalted.

[Conserative Morality]

What about it?

Pretty clear expression of a creed, even if a broad one.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Culture changes dramatically, it isn't static.

Correct, which is why Islam can change to match the countries they live in.

You're gonna have a hard time getting Muslims to add and delete ayat from the Holy Qur'an.

[Neutraligon]

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Ftfy. If you're gonna talk up your patriotism at lesst say the pledge right.

Under god was added later to the pledge. For a while I did not include the under god part because I thought that a secular nation should not have that included in a pledge to it. That was before I stopped saying the pledge entirely as I view it's use in schools as abhorrent.

[United Muscovite Nations]

What about it?

Pretty clear expression of a creed, even if a broad one.

Doesn't mean everyone believes in that.

[Free Land of The Free Land of Freedo]

we are after all a nation of mongrels.

We absolutely aren't and it's odd to me that you'd repeat an Yvette Cooper line almost word for word. 90% of our DNA is traceable to the Beaker invasion of 2000 ish BC and the Anglo-Saxon invasions of 1500 years ago or so, and the Anglo-Saxons were almost genetically indistinguishable from the Beaker folk anyway. Almost all of the rest of the 10% comes from either the pre Beaker neolithic people who were mostly wiped out by them, or from other north west European people migrating in small numbers over the centuries, like the Huguenots. We are a mostly homogenous and genetically distinct people, even from the French and Germans, our near neighbours and close cousins.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

Culture changes dramatically, it isn't static.

Correct, which is why Islam can change to match the countries they live in.

God's authority cannot, although other things can.

[Neutraligon]

Correct, which is why Islam can change to match the countries they live in.

You're gonna have a hard time getting Muslims to add and delete ayat from the Holy Qur'an.

No more hard then it would be to get Jews to adapt to the cultures they live in, or Christians to adapt to the cultures they live in. At some time or another Islam will learn to adapt or it will die out, just like all the other religions that have failed to adapt.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

When did I say this?

I live in America right now. It'd be pretty stupid of me not to believe in it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
British people fit this closely, except this part: "Ethnic groups, derived from the same historical founder population, often continue to speak related languages and share a similar gene pool."
Or is there something about y'all that I don't know about?

Only American patriots can answer this question?

Hi, Islamist speaking.

American history sucks in most ways.

But even if America did last longer, Islamic civilization > American civilization.

Unless I gave so the land back to the Native American tribes who still exist and want their land back, then that could be injuring America, but not destroy it. Hmmmmmmm

The US not being the only superpower sounds pretty good to me.



Fortunately I'm not

That doesn't answer my question. I'm an American because inwas born here and have citizenship here, I believe in America because it exists.

[Neutraligon]

Correct, which is why Islam can change to match the countries they live in.

God's authority cannot, although other things can.

I don't believe in a god, and the fact that Jews and Christians have adapted show how wrong you are.

[United Muscovite Nations]

God's authority cannot, although other things can.

I don't believe in a god, and the fact that Jews and Christians have adapted show how wrong you are.

Jews haven't adapted so much as apostatized.

[Neutraligon]

I don't believe in a god, and the fact that Jews and Christians have adapted show how wrong you are.

Jews haven't adapted so much as apostatized.

I disagree, strongly.

[Conserative Morality]

Ftfy. If you're gonna talk up your patriotism at lesst say the pledge right.

Original adopted form, m8.

[Genivaria]

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic, for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Ftfy. If you're gonna talk up your patriotism at lesst say the pledge right.

He did, before the words "under God" were put in for no reason.