The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[Khataiy]

Your Takfeer makes you a Kafir this is why I say Shias are the sons of the Khawarij you both originate from the same camp.

We are Khawarij? It was the Khawarij that murdered Ali (P) and they are the ones who call us the Kuffar the modern Wahhabiyya are Kharijis. The Saudis, Da'esh, and all the others you obviously revere Saddam Hussein the murderer of the followers of Ahlul Bayt and father of Da'esh with the Saudis all the Kharijis are together with the Dajjal against Mahdi. It is no suprise though that you love Umar and Abu Bakr and Uthman they were like Saddam.

The Khawarij were from the army of Ali (RA) and only betrayed him because he made peace with Muawiyah whom you regard as a Kafir and just like they did and they could not stand the thought of Ali giving up his power so they killed him, in fact some ancient Shia sects would praise the Khariji who murdered Ali (RA) saying he enabled Ali (RA) to enter Jannah and gave him martyrdom.

And like the Khawarij the Shias are united against Ahlus Sunnah and call for the conquest of our land and the murder of our people who worship Allah alone and do not associate idols with him and we persist in our calls to Tawheed and our renounciation of shrines and other acts of disbelief, and yes Saddam Hussein was indeed a nobel ruler who ruled and the fact you compare him to Umar and Abu Bakr increases my love of him seeing the hatred that exists in him, and Iraq under his rule was a model state and never would anyone utter a word against the Sahaba.

[North German Realm]

Your Takfeer makes you a Kafir this is why I say Shias are the sons of the Khawarij you both originate from the same camp.

We are Khawarij? It was the Khawarij that murdered Ali (P) and they are the ones who call us the Kuffar the modern Wahhabiyya are Kharijis. The Saudis, Da'esh, and all the others you obviously revere Saddam Hussein the murderer of the followers of Ahlul Bayt and father of Da'esh with the Saudis all the Kharijis are together with the Dajjal against Mahdi. It is no suprise though that you love Umar and Abu Bakr and Uthman they were like Saddam.

TIL Wahhabis are Islamic Anarchists who disagree with the concept of human arbitation, assassinate targets in broad daylight, and disagree with the concept of hereditary monarchy.

[The Husseini State]

We are Khawarij? It was the Khawarij that murdered Ali (P) and they are the ones who call us the Kuffar the modern Wahhabiyya are Kharijis. The Saudis, Da'esh, and all the others you obviously revere Saddam Hussein the murderer of the followers of Ahlul Bayt and father of Da'esh with the Saudis all the Kharijis are together with the Dajjal against Mahdi. It is no suprise though that you love Umar and Abu Bakr and Uthman they were like Saddam.

The Khawarij were from the army of Ali (RA) and only betrayed him because he made peace with Muawiyah whom you regard as a Kafir and just like they did and they could not stand the thought of Ali giving up his power so they killed him, in fact some ancient Shia sects would praise the Khariji who murdered Ali (RA) saying he enabled Ali (RA) to enter Jannah and gave him martyrdom.

And like the Khawarij the Shias are united against Ahlus Sunnah and call for the conquest of our land and the murder of our people who worship Allah alone and do not associate idols with him and we persist in our calls to Tawheed and our renounciation of shrines and other acts of disbelief, and yes Saddam Hussein was indeed a nobel ruler who ruled and the fact you compare him to Umar and Abu Bakr increases my love of him seeing the hatred that exists in him, and Iraq under his rule was a model state and never would anyone utter a word against the Sahaba.

This is a joke right? The Khawarij and Wahhabiya are the same and are the ones united against Islam and you should know that "shrines" are not Polytheism even Sunnis have shrines! You just hate our shrines because they are from Ahlul Bayt and the Wahhabiya have the biggest problem with Ahlul Bayt like the Khawarij.

[Jolthig]

And you are wrong. Anyone who recites kalima, and believes in Allah is God and Muhammad (saw) is His Messenger is automatically Muslim.

Yes Ali (ra) was a true caliph, but so was Abu Bakr (ra). That doesn't make Zizou a disbelievers. And yes, you are a Takfiri if you pass takfir. You are literally declaring him a disbeliever because you said he supports Abu Bakr.

As for the rest of your claims, this hadith debunks these:

Abu Bakr had no right to usurp the title of Khilafah from Ali (P) and Ahlul Bayt the crimes of Umar, Abu Bakr and Aisha are undeniable they were total oppressors and enemies of Islam. Part of the Kalima is declaring Ali is the Wali of Allah and declaring the authority of the Imams and the superiorty of Ahlul Bayt only then can you be a Muslim, and quoting a Sunni Hadith does not help you.

No it is not the kalima.

And yes it does help me because it goes back to the Sunnah of Muhammad (saw), and in turn, the Quran. This makes your argument invalid.

The rest of what you said is nonsense that's already been refuted.

[Khataiy]

The Khawarij were from the army of Ali (RA) and only betrayed him because he made peace with Muawiyah whom you regard as a Kafir and just like they did and they could not stand the thought of Ali giving up his power so they killed him, in fact some ancient Shia sects would praise the Khariji who murdered Ali (RA) saying he enabled Ali (RA) to enter Jannah and gave him martyrdom.

And like the Khawarij the Shias are united against Ahlus Sunnah and call for the conquest of our land and the murder of our people who worship Allah alone and do not associate idols with him and we persist in our calls to Tawheed and our renounciation of shrines and other acts of disbelief, and yes Saddam Hussein was indeed a nobel ruler who ruled and the fact you compare him to Umar and Abu Bakr increases my love of him seeing the hatred that exists in him, and Iraq under his rule was a model state and never would anyone utter a word against the Sahaba.

This is a joke right? The Khawarij and Wahhabiya are the same and are the ones united against Islam and you should know that "shrines" are not Polytheism even Sunnis have shrines! You just hate our shrines because they are from Ahlul Bayt and the Wahhabiya have the biggest problem with Ahlul Bayt like the Khawarij.

The only joke here is the denial on your behalf, you can scream "Wahhabi" all day but the facts are evident in the Quran and Sunnah but you wont even accept one Hadith from the Sunnah because you hate the companions of the Prophet that much, there is a saying and that saying is "you can choose your friends not your family" He chose from amongst everyone Abu Bakr, Aisha, Umar, Uthman, Khalid Ibn Walid, Qaqa Ibn Amr, Muthanna and the rest. Abu Bakr was the first man to accept Islam and second person after Khadijah and he stood by the Prophet and kept the Khilafah united during the wars of Ridda against the Murtadeen rebels had it not been for Abu Bakr As-Sadiq (RA) Ali (RA) would have had no state to rule,

And you forget he willingly gave up power, he had no issues with the rule of Abu Bakr or his predacessors only those who renounced Islam did, and you also forget it was the sons of Abu Bakr who died with Hussein at Karbala and it is Jafar As-Sadiq you claim as one of the Imams in your Imamah and he is from the blood of Abu Bakr and a student of Abu Hanfia, the Great Imam, and he said it in his books that the Shia are not Muslims.

[Jolthig]

I cant wait for Khosro to come in here and have a blast looking at this takfir war in here. I know for a fact, I am enjoying it. I pass takfir on no one.

[The Husseini State]

Abu Bakr had no right to usurp the title of Khilafah from Ali (P) and Ahlul Bayt the crimes of Umar, Abu Bakr and Aisha are undeniable they were total oppressors and enemies of Islam. Part of the Kalima is declaring Ali is the Wali of Allah and declaring the authority of the Imams and the superiorty of Ahlul Bayt only then can you be a Muslim, and quoting a Sunni Hadith does not help you.

No it is not the kalima.

And yes it does help me because it goes back to the Sunnah of Muhammad (saw), and in turn, the Quran. This makes your argument invalid.

The rest of what you said is nonsense that's already been refuted.

You must accept the Wilayah of Ali and the Imams to be a Muslim.

[Khataiy]

No it is not the kalima.

And yes it does help me because it goes back to the Sunnah of Muhammad (saw), and in turn, the Quran. This makes your argument invalid.

The rest of what you said is nonsense that's already been refuted.

You must accept the Wilayah of Ali and the Imams to be a Muslim.

Where in the Quran is this said?

[Jolthig]

No it is not the kalima.

And yes it does help me because it goes back to the Sunnah of Muhammad (saw), and in turn, the Quran. This makes your argument invalid.

The rest of what you said is nonsense that's already been refuted.

You must accept the Wilayah of Ali and the Imams to be a Muslim.

What Khaity said.

And you are wrong. Once again, I will ask you, show me a hadith with an outstanding isnad to support your viewpoints or I will take your arguments as fabricated nonsense.

[North German Realm]

No it is not the kalima.

And yes it does help me because it goes back to the Sunnah of Muhammad (saw), and in turn, the Quran. This makes your argument invalid.

The rest of what you said is nonsense that's already been refuted.

You must accept the Wilayah of Ali and the Imams to be a Muslim.

... No
You have to say the Shahadatayn. "اشهد انّا لااله الّی الله و اشهد انّا محمداً رسول الله".
(Which means you have to believe there is only one god and that Muhammad is his prophet). Even the most staunch of the shia agree on that. Wtf are you on?

[The Husseini State]

You must accept the Wilayah of Ali and the Imams to be a Muslim.

Where in the Quran is this said?

The Quran favors Ali (P), Ali (P) is our master and he is the Wali of Allah and the best of human creation after the Prophet (P) and Mahdi is from his household, there is no Quranic basis for your theology.

[Jolthig]

Where in the Quran is this said?

The Quran favors Ali (P), Ali (P) is our master and he is the Wali of Allah and the best of human creation after the Prophet (P) and Mahdi is from his household, there is no Quranic basis for your theology.

Lel, alright.

[The Husseini State]

You must accept the Wilayah of Ali and the Imams to be a Muslim.

... No
You have to say the Shahadatayn. "اشهد انّا لااله الّی الله و اشهد انّا محمداً رسول الله".
(Which means you have to believe there is only one god and that Muhammad is his prophet). Even the most staunch of the shia agree on that. Wtf are you on?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XUQcxsZSKpM

It can be clearly seen here with the repentance of a Palestinian brother

الحمدلله

[Jolthig]

I'll give you one more chance, show us verses from the Quran and a hadith with a strong isnad to support your views, or I will have you put on my ignore list.

This is your last chance, The Husseini State, before i have you blocked on here. Because you have no arguments, and your continued strawmans and Shi'ite fundamentalist nonsense proves this.

It is clearly stated in hadith that Muhammad (saw) did not appoint Ali (ra) as his successor, and Ali (ra) did not object to Abu Bakr's succession. All of them were righteous enough to not be arrogant. If you cannot grasp this, then I will no longer take you seriously.

Show us authentic sources for your claims or I will have you put on ignore.

[Khataiy]

I'll give you one more chance, show us verses from the Quran and a hadith with a strong isnad to support your views, or I will have you put on my ignore list.

This is your last chance, The Husseini State, before i have you blocked on here. Because you have no arguments, and your continued strawmans and Shi'ite fundamentalist nonsense proves this.

It is clearly stated in hadith that Muhammad (saw) did bot appoint Ali (ra) as his successor, and Ali (ra) did not object to Abu Bakr's succession. All of them were righteous enough to not be arrogant. If you cannot grasp this, then I will no longer take you seriously.

Show us authentic sources for your claims or I will have you put on ignore.

I will be fair here as the way the Sahaba were he will quote a Shia Hadith to prove it and if we quote books like Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim he will deny it, Shias do not accept our Hadiths, so we should rely solely on Quranic evidence for this to be a fair arguement.

[Jolthig]

I'll give you one more chance, show us verses from the Quran and a hadith with a strong isnad to support your views, or I will have you put on my ignore list.

This is your last chance, The Husseini State, before i have you blocked on here. Because you have no arguments, and your continued strawmans and Shi'ite fundamentalist nonsense proves this.

It is clearly stated in hadith that Muhammad (saw) did bot appoint Ali (ra) as his successor, and Ali (ra) did not object to Abu Bakr's succession. All of them were righteous enough to not be arrogant. If you cannot grasp this, then I will no longer take you seriously.

Show us authentic sources for your claims or I will have you put on ignore.

I will be fair here as the way the Sahaba were he will quote a Shia Hadith to prove it and if we quote books like Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim he will deny it, Shias do not accept our Hadiths, so we should rely solely on Quranic evidence for this to be a fair arguement.

This isnt about what sources the hadith come from. What I'm asking for, is the isnad. This is what Bukhari did when he had dialogue with people on hadith.

Yes. Quran too, but he presented no evidence for his beliefs.

[The Husseini State]

I'll give you one more chance, show us verses from the Quran and a hadith with a strong isnad to support your views, or I will have you put on my ignore list.

This is your last chance, The Husseini State, before i have you blocked on here. Because you have no arguments, and your continued strawmans and Shi'ite fundamentalist nonsense proves this.

It is clearly stated in hadith that Muhammad (saw) did not appoint Ali (ra) as his successor, and Ali (ra) did not object to Abu Bakr's succession. All of them were righteous enough to not be arrogant. If you cannot grasp this, then I will no longer take you seriously.

Show us authentic sources for your claims or I will have you put on ignore.

Muhammad (P) said:

"O people, Allah the Most Kind the Omniscient has told me that no apostle lives to more than half the age of him who had preceded him. I think I am about to be called (to die) and thus I must respond. I am responsible and you are responsible, then what do you say?' They said, 'We witness that you have informed, advised and striven. May Allah bless you.' He said, 'Do you not bear witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is His servant and Apostle, and that His Heaven is true, His Hell is true, death is true, the Resurrection after death is true, that there is no doubt that the Day of Judgment will come, and that Allah will resurrect the dead from their graves?' They said, 'Yes, we bear witness.' He said, 'O Allah, bear witness.' Then he said, 'O people, Allah is my Lord and I am the lord of the believers. I am worthier of believers than themselves. Of whomsoever I had been Mawla, Ali here is to be his Mawla."

[Khataiy]

I'll give you one more chance, show us verses from the Quran and a hadith with a strong isnad to support your views, or I will have you put on my ignore list.

This is your last chance, The Husseini State, before i have you blocked on here. Because you have no arguments, and your continued strawmans and Shi'ite fundamentalist nonsense proves this.

It is clearly stated in hadith that Muhammad (saw) did not appoint Ali (ra) as his successor, and Ali (ra) did not object to Abu Bakr's succession. All of them were righteous enough to not be arrogant. If you cannot grasp this, then I will no longer take you seriously.

Show us authentic sources for your claims or I will have you put on ignore.

Muhammad (P) said:

"O people, Allah the Most Kind the Omniscient has told me that no apostle lives to more than half the age of him who had preceded him. I think I am about to be called (to die) and thus I must respond. I am responsible and you are responsible, then what do you say?' They said, 'We witness that you have informed, advised and striven. May Allah bless you.' He said, 'Do you not bear witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is His servant and Apostle, and that His Heaven is true, His Hell is true, death is true, the Resurrection after death is true, that there is no doubt that the Day of Judgment will come, and that Allah will resurrect the dead from their graves?' They said, 'Yes, we bear witness.' He said, 'O Allah, bear witness.' Then he said, 'O people, Allah is my Lord and I am the lord of the believers. I am worthier of believers than themselves. Of whomsoever I had been Mawla, Ali here is to be his Mawla."

This proves nothing

[Jolthig]

I'll give you one more chance, show us verses from the Quran and a hadith with a strong isnad to support your views, or I will have you put on my ignore list.

This is your last chance, The Husseini State, before i have you blocked on here. Because you have no arguments, and your continued strawmans and Shi'ite fundamentalist nonsense proves this.

It is clearly stated in hadith that Muhammad (saw) did not appoint Ali (ra) as his successor, and Ali (ra) did not object to Abu Bakr's succession. All of them were righteous enough to not be arrogant. If you cannot grasp this, then I will no longer take you seriously.

Show us authentic sources for your claims or I will have you put on ignore.

Muhammad (P) said:

"O people, Allah the Most Kind the Omniscient has told me that no apostle lives to more than half the age of him who had preceded him. I think I am about to be called (to die) and thus I must respond. I am responsible and you are responsible, then what do you say?' They said, 'We witness that you have informed, advised and striven. May Allah bless you.' He said, 'Do you not bear witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is His servant and Apostle, and that His Heaven is true, His Hell is true, death is true, the Resurrection after death is true, that there is no doubt that the Day of Judgment will come, and that Allah will resurrect the dead from their graves?' They said, 'Yes, we bear witness.' He said, 'O Allah, bear witness.' Then he said, 'O people, Allah is my Lord and I am the lord of the believers. I am worthier of believers than themselves. Of whomsoever I had been Mawla, Ali here is to be his Mawla."

Source, and who narrated this hadith?

[The Husseini State]

Muhammad (P) said:

"O people, Allah the Most Kind the Omniscient has told me that no apostle lives to more than half the age of him who had preceded him. I think I am about to be called (to die) and thus I must respond. I am responsible and you are responsible, then what do you say?' They said, 'We witness that you have informed, advised and striven. May Allah bless you.' He said, 'Do you not bear witness that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is His servant and Apostle, and that His Heaven is true, His Hell is true, death is true, the Resurrection after death is true, that there is no doubt that the Day of Judgment will come, and that Allah will resurrect the dead from their graves?' They said, 'Yes, we bear witness.' He said, 'O Allah, bear witness.' Then he said, 'O people, Allah is my Lord and I am the lord of the believers. I am worthier of believers than themselves. Of whomsoever I had been Mawla, Ali here is to be his Mawla."

Source, and who narrated this hadith?

This is the event of Ghadir Khumm during the Farewell Sermon of Muhammad (P)

[Jolthig]

Source, and who narrated this hadith?

This is the event of Ghadir Khumm during the Farewell Sermon of Muhammad (P)

Yes, but I am asking for who narrated the hadith. The individual.

[The Husseini State]

This is the event of Ghadir Khumm during the Farewell Sermon of Muhammad (P)

Yes, but I am asking for who narrated the hadith. The individual.

This is in your books Sahih Bukhari and Tirmidhi

[Khataiy]

Yes, but I am asking for who narrated the hadith. The individual.

This is in your books Sahih Bukhari and Tirmidhi

You seem to think we hate Ali (RA) we don't so your argument style is not working well for you

[Jolthig]

Yes, but I am asking for who narrated the hadith. The individual.

This is in your books Sahih Bukhari and Tirmidhi

Ah, taqiyya.

I'm starting to be convinced you are Khaity, and not a legitimate Shiite tbh. I've been pretty convinced for a while you aren't legitimate. Because I myself have done that in the past. I'm pretty sure you are Khaity. Otherwise why would Khaity suddenly come out of nowhere when you post?

Why is your founding date only Feb. 18?

[Khataiy]

This is in your books Sahih Bukhari and Tirmidhi

Ah, taqiyya.

I'm starting to be convinced you are Khaity, and not a legitimate Shiite tbh. I've been pretty convinced for a while you aren't legitimate. Because I myself have done that in the past. I'm pretty sure you are Khaity. Otherwise why would Khaity suddenly come out of nowhere when you post?

Why is your founding date only Feb. 18?

Why would I post the stuff he is posting? He is posting stuff that Allah will see and ask me about the day of judgement and it is nothing but slander and blaspheme.