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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 11:43 am

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Andalusia was the place where Jews were treated the best in the entire world history, and Andalusia was a theocratic islamic state.

I'll ask again: what if the "kuffar" refuse to leave when you attempt to force them?


The fact that they are kuffar doesn't necessarily mean they will be killed for that. It's entirely possible that they could be free if they recognize the Islamic state. The Mughals in India didn't exterminate the Hindus and didn't even tried to convert them (and the result today is a fascist Hinutva regime that justifies and encourages the rape and killing of little girls just because they are Muslim, see the Asifa case).
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 30, 2018 11:45 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:I'll ask again: what if the "kuffar" refuse to leave when you attempt to force them?


The fact that they are kuffar doesn't necessarily mean they will be killed for that. It's entirely possible that they could be free if they recognize the Islamic state. The Mughals in India didn't exterminate the Hindus and didn't even tried to convert them (and the result today is a fascist Hinutva regime that justifies and encourages the rape and killing of little girls just because they are Muslim, see the Asifa case).

Not all Hindus are rapists, my dude. Just like not all Muslims are extremists like you or Daesh.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed May 30, 2018 11:45 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:I'll ask again: what if the "kuffar" refuse to leave when you attempt to force them?


The fact that they are kuffar doesn't necessarily mean they will be killed for that. It's entirely possible that they could be free if they recognize the Islamic state. The Mughals in India didn't exterminate the Hindus and didn't even tried to convert them (and the result today is a fascist Hinutva regime that justifies and encourages the rape and killing of little girls just because they are Muslim, see the Asifa case).


Then Aurangzeb came around and threw that fragile Hindu-Muslim peace to the dogs, because REASONS!

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 30, 2018 11:45 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:I'll ask again: what if the "kuffar" refuse to leave when you attempt to force them?


The fact that they are kuffar doesn't necessarily mean they will be killed for that. It's entirely possible that they could be free if they recognize the Islamic state. The Mughals in India didn't exterminate the Hindus and didn't even tried to convert them (and the result today is a fascist Hinutva regime that justifies and encourages the rape and killing of little girls just because they are Muslim, see the Asifa case).

Also, that doesn't answer my question. What if they refuse to accept the government and refuse to leave?
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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 11:46 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
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Robespierre and Hitler were both criminals.
A Thief and an Axe Murderer are both criminals. Comparing Hitler's 15+ Direct Millions to The Terror's 15,000 is hilariously disproportional.


You can't compare 20th century German population with 18th century French population. Robespierre had a) a much less populated country to rule than Hitler and b) much less political power.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 11:47 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
The fact that they are kuffar doesn't necessarily mean they will be killed for that. It's entirely possible that they could be free if they recognize the Islamic state. The Mughals in India didn't exterminate the Hindus and didn't even tried to convert them (and the result today is a fascist Hinutva regime that justifies and encourages the rape and killing of little girls just because they are Muslim, see the Asifa case).

Also, that doesn't answer my question. What if they refuse to accept the government and refuse to leave?


I can't predict the future, I would like them to leave.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 30, 2018 11:48 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:A Thief and an Axe Murderer are both criminals. Comparing Hitler's 15+ Direct Millions to The Terror's 15,000 is hilariously disproportional.


You can't compare 20th century German population with 18th century French population. Robespierre had a) a much less populated country to rule than Hitler and b) much less political power.

My dude. That doesn't at all change what we've said. Also, the population of France in 1789 was 28 million. Germany's was 67 million in 1933. That proportion is still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 30, 2018 11:48 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Also, that doesn't answer my question. What if they refuse to accept the government and refuse to leave?


I can't predict the future, I would like them to leave.

Nice evasion. I'll rephrase: what solution would you want to see happen if they refused to leave or accept the government?
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Postby Pilarcraft » Wed May 30, 2018 11:48 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:A Thief and an Axe Murderer are both criminals. Comparing Hitler's 15+ Direct Millions to The Terror's 15,000 is hilariously disproportional.


You can't compare 20th century German population with 18th century French population. Robespierre had a) a much less populated country to rule than Hitler and b) much less political power.
He also didn't start a war bent on racial extermination, didn't build complexes simply in order to contain and exterminate minorities, didn't build his ideology upon the death of others, and of course was not the only power in The Committee of Public Safety.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 11:52 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
I can't predict the future, I would like them to leave.

Nice evasion. I'll rephrase: what solution would you want to see happen if they refused to leave or accept the government?


If they refused to leave or accept the government, they would be entirely responsible for whatever happens to them, because they had the golden opportunity to avoid extreme conseguences, but they refused it.

Btw I'm not here to play political fiction, for the roleplays there is a dedicated forum.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 30, 2018 11:52 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Nice evasion. I'll rephrase: what solution would you want to see happen if they refused to leave or accept the government?


If they refused to leave or accept the government, they are entirely responsible for whatever happens to them, because they had the golden opportunity to avoid extreme conseguences, but they refused it.

Btw I'm not here to play political fiction, for the roleplays there is a dedicated forum.

You could really be a politician with all of this evasion and projection.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed May 30, 2018 11:53 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Nice evasion. I'll rephrase: what solution would you want to see happen if they refused to leave or accept the government?


If they refused to leave or accept the government, they would be entirely responsible for whatever happens to them, because they had the golden opportunity to avoid extreme conseguences, but they refused it.

Btw I'm not here to play political fiction, for the roleplays there is a dedicated forum.


So you endorse mob violence with no repercussions whatsoever.

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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 11:54 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
If they refused to leave or accept the government, they would be entirely responsible for whatever happens to them, because they had the golden opportunity to avoid extreme conseguences, but they refused it.

Btw I'm not here to play political fiction, for the roleplays there is a dedicated forum.


So you endorse mob violence with no repercussions whatsoever.


My friend, I'm only responsible for what I write, not for what you understand.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 30, 2018 11:54 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
If they refused to leave or accept the government, they would be entirely responsible for whatever happens to them, because they had the golden opportunity to avoid extreme conseguences, but they refused it.

Btw I'm not here to play political fiction, for the roleplays there is a dedicated forum.


So you endorse mob violence with no repercussions whatsoever.

Dude, they are responsible for what happens. Their mass murders are entirely their own fault. Don't you see that?
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 30, 2018 11:55 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
So you endorse mob violence with no repercussions whatsoever.


My friend, I'm only responsible for what I write, not for what you understand.

And what you write is disgusting extremism that I can only hope is just facetious satire.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Wed May 30, 2018 11:56 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
My friend, I'm only responsible for what I write, not for what you understand.

And what you write is disgusting extremism that I can only hope is just facetious satire.

It's probably not.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 30, 2018 11:57 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:And what you write is disgusting extremism that I can only hope is just facetious satire.

It's probably not.

Ffs, Pilar. Can you let me retain at least some of my sanity?
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Postby Pilarcraft » Wed May 30, 2018 11:58 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:It's probably not.

Ffs, Pilar. Can you let me retain at least some of my sanity?

It's NSG Summer. You're not likely to retain any of it by the time Fall settles in. better lose it in the beginning than be victim of torment all season long.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 30, 2018 11:58 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Ffs, Pilar. Can you let me retain at least some of my sanity?

It's NSG Summer. You're not likely to retain any of it by the time Fall settles in. better lose it in the beginning than be victim of torment all season long.

Truuuuuth.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed May 30, 2018 12:03 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:It's probably not.

Ffs, Pilar. Can you let me retain at least some of my sanity?


I lost mine three pages ago.

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Postby Pilarcraft » Wed May 30, 2018 12:05 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Ffs, Pilar. Can you let me retain at least some of my sanity?


I lost mine three pages ago.
I lost mine (again) when Ashleb bolted in with that "B-but NEW INFORMATION ON AISHA" post a few pages ago.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 30, 2018 12:06 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Ffs, Pilar. Can you let me retain at least some of my sanity?


I lost mine three pages ago.

I don't know if you ever ran into Shurjah but he sure was something.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Wed May 30, 2018 12:06 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I lost mine three pages ago.

I don't know if you ever ran into Shurjah but he sure was something.
He was almost as entertaining as that Anarcho Capitalist Utopia guy, tbh.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed May 30, 2018 12:09 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
I lost mine three pages ago.

I don't know if you ever ran into Shurjah but he sure was something.


Was he a R A D ?

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 30, 2018 12:12 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:I don't know if you ever ran into Shurjah but he sure was something.


Was he a R A D ?

He was an Arab Sunni supremacist who defended Saddam's gassing of the Kurds and slaughter of Shia and called Shia Islam an "Iranian invention".
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