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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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Jolthig
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:30 pm

Zizou wrote:
Jolthig wrote:No it isn't. The withdrawal symptoms of caffeine aren't as severe as coke and meth. Literally the worst thing you can get is a migraine. Whereas with math and heroin, you go through a depressive hell.

Math is very depressing, yes

Dang autocorrect.

That or I mistyped.

:rofl:
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Zizou
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Postby Zizou » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:31 pm

Nor Portland wrote:
Zizou wrote:Basically, the reasoning behind why caffeine and soda are permissible (to my knowledge) are presented in the Hadith:
It's mentioned in Hadith that Khamr was unlawful because "Khamr is that which covers [or clouds] the intellect." That, viewed through the lens of the Hadith: "Every intoxicant is unlawful," one would come to the conclusion that intoxicant, as it's used, is referring to anyting that interferes with one's ability to rationally think and make decisions. Alcohol does, while cocaine and soda do not.

That makes sense except.........

Cocaine doesnt?!

Apparently, cocaine is a now an alternate spelling of caffeine :p
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Cloney
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Postby Cloney » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:31 pm

Hello! I just wanted to say hi.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:32 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Zizou wrote:Apparently, cocaine is a now an alternate spelling of caffeine :p

....

I NEVER WANTED TO BE A CRACKBABY!

Okay, this is going in my sig now.
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Postby Negarakita » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:32 pm

Cloney wrote:Hello! I just wanted to say hi.

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Postby Jolthig » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:32 pm

Cloney wrote:Hello! I just wanted to say hi.

Hello! Welcome.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:35 pm

Nor Portland wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I don't drink anyway (too young), and I have a strong aversion to it, so I'm fine with it.

I get that. I may be a bit biased since I have a beer every other night, I just dont drink to get drunk.

I just feel as though, when incorporating human reasoning, to fully ban a substance will only either cause people to want to drink (rebelliousness against the status quo) or cause them to become addicted after a withdrawal from such substances (especially if theyre a convert)

Well if you're a convert you shouldn't quit drinking cold turkey, that'll usually just cause problems. Just gradually seen yourself off of it and you'll be good.

Fun fact: Alcohol wasn't Haraam during the early missions of Prophet Muhammad SAWS for that very reason.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:35 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Zizou wrote:Math is very depressing, yes


This^^^^^

Math is haram and should be banned, don't even @ me Islam thread

Smh may al-Khwarizmi burn in Hell.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:40 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
This^^^^^

Math is haram and should be banned, don't even @ me Islam thread

Smh may al-Khwarizmi burn in Hell.

All those who do math are now to be stoned to death. This is is a new fiqh.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:42 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Jolthig wrote:All those who do math are now to be stoned to death. This is is a new fiqh.


....
....

*Uses calculator*

Infidel! :evil:
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:45 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Infidel! :evil:

The only thing infidel about me is my preference for actual full length words over shortened ones over text. :p

You still sinned. That is evil and Satanic.

*stones come flying at you*
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Nor Portland
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Postby Nor Portland » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:46 pm

Thank you Jolthig and Al-Amin for answering my inquires, appreciate it. It's interesting to learn more about other religions
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:47 pm

Nor Portland wrote:Thank you Jolthig and Al-Amin for answering my inquires, appreciate it. It's interesting to learn more about other religions

You are most welcome.

Indeed. Interfaith dialogue is one of my favorite things to do on this site and in real life.
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Postby Nor Portland » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:49 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Nor Portland wrote:Thank you Jolthig and Al-Amin for answering my inquires, appreciate it. It's interesting to learn more about other religions

You are most welcome.

Indeed. Interfaith dialogue is one of my favorite things to do on this site and in real life.

If you want me to be real though, I cant stand talking to Evangelic Christians or blind, dogmatic Catholics. Most stubborn of the denominations thatll just call you wrong without justifying as to why
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Postby Kowani » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:50 pm

Hey, at least the thread’s not entirely toxic this time!
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:51 pm

Nor Portland wrote:
Jolthig wrote:You are most welcome.

Indeed. Interfaith dialogue is one of my favorite things to do on this site and in real life.

If you want me to be real though, I cant stand talking to Evangelic Christians or blind, dogmatic Catholics. Most stubborn of the denominations thatll just call you wrong without justifying as to why

Oh trust me, I've had my dealings with them on the internet and in real life. I'm a veteran when it comes to people shouting nonsense at me.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:You know, the one sad thing is that, the Antichrist, whoever's religion is correct, will divide us and most of our friends will go to whatever hell we believe in.


Sad, really.

True. In Ahmadiyya, we believe the antichrist or dajjal isnt a literal person, but a group of people and nations who seek to deceive the world through various means, turning people away from Allah.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:52 pm

Kowani wrote:Hey, at least the thread’s not entirely toxic this time!

I know. :)

It's actually now one of the most funniest threads in nsg right now.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:53 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Nor Portland wrote:If you want me to be real though, I cant stand talking to Evangelic Christians or blind, dogmatic Catholics. Most stubborn of the denominations thatll just call you wrong without justifying as to why

I can tolerate both, and even was in love with a Catholic.


That said, while being a self-described hardcore Christian(who doesn't go to church admittedly or read the bible a lot, those can be seen as major flaws, I simply try to live a Christian life), I find myself...very socially Liberal, minus some more religious stances.


I dislike how Evangelic Christians have, in USA at least, to me, abandoned their Christian values for Trump. It's similar to the Pharisees to me.

Agreed. A close friend of my family is like that.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:53 pm

Nor Portland wrote:Thank you Jolthig and Al-Amin for answering my inquires, appreciate it. It's interesting to learn more about other religions

Sure thing ;) I enjoyed taking with you.
Eternal Lotharia wrote:You know, the one sad thing is that, the Antichrist, whoever's religion is correct, will divide us and most of our friends will go to whatever hell we believe in.


Sad, really.

I pray that we side with the Mahdi, aameen.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:53 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Kowani wrote:Hey, at least the thread’s not entirely toxic this time!

I know. :)

It's actually now one of the most funniest threads in nsg right now.

The LWDT and RWDT manage to be cracking jokes while talking all the time, I don’t see why we can’t do that.
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Zizou
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Postby Zizou » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:54 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Nor Portland wrote:If you want me to be real though, I cant stand talking to Evangelic Christians or blind, dogmatic Catholics. Most stubborn of the denominations thatll just call you wrong without justifying as to why

I can tolerate both, and even was in love with a Catholic.


That said, while being a self-described hardcore Christian(who doesn't go to church admittedly or read the bible a lot, those can be seen as major flaws, I simply try to live a Christian life), I find myself...very socially Liberal, minus some more religious stances.


I dislike how Evangelic Christians have, in USA at least, to me, abandoned their Christian values for Trump. It's similar to the Pharisees to me.

Same here (obviously Islam instead of Christianity for me, lol). My belief is that yeah, we're clearly told what's wrong and what's right, but it's not the government's job to tell people that, since what's wrong and right is different for each individual person.
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Postby Nor Portland » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:54 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Nor Portland wrote:If you want me to be real though, I cant stand talking to Evangelic Christians or blind, dogmatic Catholics. Most stubborn of the denominations thatll just call you wrong without justifying as to why

Oh trust me, I've had my dealings with them on the internet and in real life. I'm a veteran when it comes to people shouting nonsense at me.

Ohhh well you see my friend, you have not met my mother it seems. She's called me a heretic for questioning Church authority on numerous occassions

Also told me to get down on my hands and knees and kneel before an image of Jesus for criticizing Israel, but that's a different story
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:55 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I know. :)

It's actually now one of the most funniest threads in nsg right now.

The LWDT and RWDT manage to be cracking jokes while talking all the time, I don’t see why we can’t do that.

Indeed. And I like the dialogue as well. I just wish people stop being so negative all the time.

Let's just all be friends even if we disagree.

I think you and Frievolk are cool people even if we disagree.
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Postby Zizou » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:55 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I know. :)

It's actually now one of the most funniest threads in nsg right now.

The LWDT and RWDT manage to be cracking jokes while talking all the time, I don’t see why we can’t do that.

You're right, yeah. There's no real reason why we can't/shouldn't do the same lol.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:56 pm

Nor Portland wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Oh trust me, I've had my dealings with them on the internet and in real life. I'm a veteran when it comes to people shouting nonsense at me.

Ohhh well you see my friend, you have not met my mother it seems. She's called me a heretic for questioning Church authority on numerous occassions

Also told me to get down on my hands and knees and kneel before an image of Jesus for criticizing Israel, but that's a different story


You should have told her that Jews killed Christ and hit a fat dab
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