The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I'm not Muslim either, so who cares?

I honestly thought you were.

You're a several months late, aziz.

[Pilarcraft]

I'm not Muslim either, so who cares?

I honestly thought you were.

He used to. I think our influence corrupted him

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Why can't these radicals take note of the five "Stans"? Most of them are Muslim-majority (non-denominational, so they do not argue over petty divisions), SECULAR nations with relatively well off economies, almost no Western influence, and thriving cultures.

If you mean the Central Asia countries, they are bloodthirsty dictatorships, and they are puppets of either USA or Russia. No thanks.

Their democracy is shakey at best, and a few Stans have presidents with personality cults, but "bloodthirsty" is a highly exaggerated overstatement.

And "puppets of either USA or Russia" is also a massive overstatement. Russia's influence is largely due to, you know, RUSSIA BEING THEIR LARGEST NEIGHBOUR, and the USA, aside from a small handful of military bases, they don't hold that much actual influence.

Also, cheerios on denouncing the five Stans as "bloodthirsty dictatorships" when you want an Islamic theocracy (which is effectively a totalitarian "dictatorship of the Imams").

[Pilarcraft]

If you mean the Central Asia countries, they are bloodthirsty dictatorships, and they are puppets of either USA or Russia. No thanks.

Their democracy is shakey at best, and a few Stans have presidents with personality cults, but "bloodthirsty" is a highly exaggerated overstatement.

And "puppets of either USA or Russia" is also a massive overstatement. Russia's influence is largely due to, you know, RUSSIA BEING THEIR LARGEST NEIGHBOUR, and the USA, aside from a small handful of military bases, they don't hold that much actual influence.

Also, cheerios on denouncing the five Stans as "bloodthirsty dictatorships" when you want an Islamic theocracy (which is effectively a totalitarian "dictatorship of the Imams").

This reminds me of this thing

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I honestly thought you were.

He used to. I think our influence corrupted him

More than that, I just got tired of other Muslims constantly implying that I wasn't a true Muslims because I was Ismaili and the fact that most of Islam simply refuses to accept any change and rejects it as "bid'ah".

[United States of Oceania]

If you mean the Central Asia countries, they are bloodthirsty dictatorships, and they are puppets of either USA or Russia. No thanks.

Their democracy is shakey at best, and a few Stans have presidents with personality cults, but "bloodthirsty" is a highly exaggerated overstatement.

And "puppets of either USA or Russia" is also a massive overstatement. Russia's influence is largely due to, you know, RUSSIA BEING THEIR LARGEST NEIGHBOUR, and the USA, aside from a small handful of military bases, they don't hold that much actual influence.

That's why I support the unification of Muslim countries into one Nation.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

and the USA, aside from a small handful of military bases, they don't hold that much actual influence.

And, just to add, these military bases were largely only established after 9/11 when they offered their airspace to support American operations against terrorists.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

So now that there are no caliphs and there are unlikely to be any, what's your respective viewpoints for the future leadership of Islam?

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Their democracy is shakey at best, and a few Stans have presidents with personality cults, but "bloodthirsty" is a highly exaggerated overstatement.

And "puppets of either USA or Russia" is also a massive overstatement. Russia's influence is largely due to, you know, RUSSIA BEING THEIR LARGEST NEIGHBOUR, and the USA, aside from a small handful of military bases, they don't hold that much actual influence.

Also, cheerios on denouncing the five Stans as "bloodthirsty dictatorships" when you want an Islamic theocracy (which is effectively a totalitarian "dictatorship of the Imams").

This reminds me of this thing

Listen, I'm not Muslim (I was raised a Catholic, and I am currently a spiritual deist), but let me tell you this...

They'll have a lot of explaining to do to Allah.

[Pilarcraft]

Their democracy is shakey at best, and a few Stans have presidents with personality cults, but "bloodthirsty" is a highly exaggerated overstatement.

And "puppets of either USA or Russia" is also a massive overstatement. Russia's influence is largely due to, you know, RUSSIA BEING THEIR LARGEST NEIGHBOUR, and the USA, aside from a small handful of military bases, they don't hold that much actual influence.

That's why I support the unification of Muslim countries into one Nation.

Friendly Reminder that the concept of Nation is by default Anti-Islamic. The only thing you can hope would be a singular Ummat. (Which is essentially the same thing Hitler wanted. Just for a "group" instead of an "ethnicity")

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

Well, Playing Sunni's +10% Cavalry ratio isn't really worth it tbh. if you are at all wanting to do some war, go with Shia. It's 5% morale bonus may be rly rly little, but when you combine it with the Jafari school's 10% Shock Damage, it turns out to be pretty pretty good. So you can make a Muslim Prussia, like Johan did. I think Johan did anyway... Oh, and both's +100% chance of a new heir, that's pretty darn cool.

[United States of Oceania]

Friendly Reminder that the concept of Nation is by default Anti-Islamic.

Wrong. Ummah is the Nation of Believers.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

That's why I support the unification of Muslim countries into one Nation.

Friendly Reminder that the concept of Nation is by default Anti-Islamic. The only thing you can hope would be a singular Ummat. (Which is essentially the same thing Hitler wanted. Just for a "group" instead of an "ethnicity")

TBF, you can't convert somebody to Aryan so the method can differ.

[Pilarcraft]

Friendly Reminder that the concept of Nation is by default Anti-Islamic.

Wrong. Ummah is the Nation of Believers.[/quote]
Wrong. The Concept of Nation requires Nationality, while Religion (the only requirement for being part of the Ummat) has nothing to do with it. To make it brief, Politically speaking, you can't make a Nation full of a people that only have a religion binding them. The closest thing to it would be a Theo-state.
امت =\= ملت

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Their democracy is shakey at best, and a few Stans have presidents with personality cults, but "bloodthirsty" is a highly exaggerated overstatement.

And "puppets of either USA or Russia" is also a massive overstatement. Russia's influence is largely due to, you know, RUSSIA BEING THEIR LARGEST NEIGHBOUR, and the USA, aside from a small handful of military bases, they don't hold that much actual influence.

That's why I support the unification of Muslim countries into one Nation.

Yeah, good luck with that.

A substantial percentage of the world's Muslim nations will tell you to piss off, and the other portion (I'm looking at places such as Iraq and Syria) can't even unite the various cultural/ethnic groups within their own nation, let alone unite all Muslims. I'm not even done talking about the non-Muslim minorities (Christians, Jews, Yazidis, Zoroastrians, etc...) within Muslim-majority nations that would get FURIOUS!

So that whole "United Islamic Caliphate" idea is a pipe dream that died with the Umayyads.

[Pilarcraft]

Friendly Reminder that the concept of Nation is by default Anti-Islamic. The only thing you can hope would be a singular Ummat. (Which is essentially the same thing Hitler wanted. Just for a "group" instead of an "ethnicity")

TBF, you can't convert somebody to Aryan so the method can differ.

well yes. That's their only difference lol.

[Pilarcraft]

That's why I support the unification of Muslim countries into one Nation.

Yeah, good luck with that.

A substantial percentage of the world's Muslim nations will tell you to piss off, and the other portion (I'm looking at places such as Iraq and Syria) can't even unite the various cultural/ethnic groups within their own nation, let alone unite all Muslims. I'm not even done talking about the non-Muslim minorities (Christians, Jews, Yazidis, Zoroastrians, etc...) within Muslim-majority nations that would get FURIOUS!

So that whole "United Islamic Caliphate" idea is a pipe dream that died with the Umayyads.

I mean, Abbasids had the whole Unified Caliphates shtick for a while. Then again, the Ummayads outlived The Abbasids strictly speaking.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

But I digress, if you want the BEST religion, in my humble opinion, get the Sikhs to rebel and make that your national religion. +10% morale of armies AND -10% Military tech cost? Count me in! (Also they have a very nice dark blue color on the religious map mode. Hue hue.)

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I always found it interesting that the Medina Charter implicitly includes the Jews and other non-Muslims of Medina in its definition of Ummah but that definition is so far largely ignored in the Islamic world.

[Pilarcraft]

But I digress, if you want the BEST religion, in my humble opinion, get the Sikhs to rebel and make that your national religion. +10% morale of armies AND -10% Military tech cost? Count me in! (Also they have a very nice dark blue color on the religious map mode. Hue hue.)

Wrong Thread. You need another bridge of roam its 'neaths.

[Bessabar]

Just a christian

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I always found it interesting that the Medina Charter implicitly includes the Jews and other non-Muslims of Medina in its definition of Ummah but that definition is so far largely ignored in the Islamic world.

Welcome to literally every religion ever, may I offer you a drink?

The second the prophet of a religion dies, its followers will start arguing over the pettiest of shits the very day after, and thus means that the religion becomes...well, corrupt.

[Saxony-Brandenburg]

But I digress, if you want the BEST religion, in my humble opinion, get the Sikhs to rebel and make that your national religion. +10% morale of armies AND -10% Military tech cost? Count me in! (Also they have a very nice dark blue color on the religious map mode. Hue hue.)

Wrong Thread. You need another bridge of roam its 'neaths.

Ah drat, we're talking about Real life? Hmm... Alright. If you all want a giant pan-Muslim country, you're about as delirious as the people I know who want to create a united catholic empire. It would have to be done the old fashioned way if you ever wanted to accomplish such a feat- by fire and sword.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I always found it interesting that the Medina Charter implicitly includes the Jews and other non-Muslims of Medina in its definition of Ummah but that definition is so far largely ignored in the Islamic world.

Welcome to literally every religion ever, may I offer you a drink?

The second the prophet of a religion dies, its followers will start arguing over the pettiest of shits the very day after, and thus means that the religion becomes...well, corrupt.

Especially when that prophet says "Yo. Do exactly as I do because I'm perfect and do everything like totally right".

[United States of Oceania]

That's why I support the unification of Muslim countries into one Nation.

Yeah, good luck with that.

A substantial percentage of the world's Muslim nations will tell you to piss off, and the other portion (I'm looking at places such as Iraq and Syria) can't even unite the various cultural/ethnic groups within their own nation, let alone unite all Muslims. I'm not even done talking about the non-Muslim minorities (Christians, Jews, Yazidis, Zoroastrians, etc...) within Muslim-majority nations that would get FURIOUS!

So that whole "United Islamic Caliphate" idea is a pipe dream that died with the Umayyads.

Muslims have a right to have their own State just like any other community. If the minorities don't like it, they can always seek asylum in the West, I'm sure Trump will be glad to welcome them with a red carpet.