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The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:15 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Zizou wrote:No one wants you to change the flag because it represents "a strong Islam," but because the flag you're using is also used by a group of murderers, terrorists, rapists, and just overall horrible people. We don't need to unnecessarily cause controversy over something as trivial as a flag.

The stigma needs to change we need to clean the image of this flag


That's about as possible as saying you need to clean the image of the swastika. That flag is, for at least the foreseeable future, going to stand for nothing but slavery, rape and genocide in the eyes of most.
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Zizou
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Postby Zizou » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:16 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Zizou is Muslim and is telling you the same.

He is a supporter of Abu Bakr

Just because I do not agree with you on a subject matter which occurred approximately 1,500 years ago does not make me a disbeliever.
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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:16 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:The stigma needs to change we need to clean the image of this flag


That's about as possible as saying you need to clean the image of the swastika. That flag is, for at least the foreseeable future, going to stand for nothing but slavery, rape and genocide in the eyes of most.

I want to disassociate Da'esh from the blessed banner of Allah

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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:17 am

Zizou wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:He is a supporter of Abu Bakr

Just because I do not agree with you on a subject matter which occurred approximately 1,500 years ago does not make me a disbeliever.

Ali was chosen by Allah if you reject him then you reject Allah's decision

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Postby Kowani » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:18 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Kowani wrote:See, this is why people don’t like Fundamentalists.

Also, is that actually a sin.

To please a disbeliever over a religious matter yes it is

You’re making a very good argument against Islam right now, y’know?
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:18 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That's about as possible as saying you need to clean the image of the swastika. That flag is, for at least the foreseeable future, going to stand for nothing but slavery, rape and genocide in the eyes of most.

I want to disassociate Da'esh from the blessed banner of Allah


Yeah I get that, I'm just saying it's not possible and is probably just gonna lead to people sending tips about you to the CIA or some shit.
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Sahansahiye Iran
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:18 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Zizou wrote:Just because I do not agree with you on a subject matter which occurred approximately 1,500 years ago does not make me a disbeliever.

Ali was chosen by Allah if you reject him then you reject Allah's decision

Yay takfir!

And people wonder why I left Islam smh.
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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:19 am

Kowani wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:To please a disbeliever over a religious matter yes it is

You’re making a very good argument against Islam right now, y’know?

Okay

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Postby Kowani » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:19 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That's about as possible as saying you need to clean the image of the swastika. That flag is, for at least the foreseeable future, going to stand for nothing but slavery, rape and genocide in the eyes of most.

I want to disassociate Da'esh from the blessed banner of Allah

Yeah, that’s not gonna happen.
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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:20 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:Ali was chosen by Allah if you reject him then you reject Allah's decision

Yay takfir!

And people wonder why I left Islam smh.

I am not a Takfiri

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:20 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Yay takfir!

And people wonder why I left Islam smh.

I am not a Takfiri

Then what do you call what you just did lol?
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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:21 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:I am not a Takfiri

Then what do you call what you just did lol?

Spreading the truth

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:21 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Then what do you call what you just did lol?

Spreading the truth

...

We're done here.
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Postby Zizou » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:22 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Zizou wrote:Just because I do not agree with you on a subject matter which occurred approximately 1,500 years ago does not make me a disbeliever.

Ali was chosen by Allah if you reject him then you reject Allah's decision

You're ignoring the fact that this has no practical implication on how I live my life. Inshallah, Allah (SWT) will judge my actions, not you.

The Husseini State wrote:
Kowani wrote:See, this is why people don’t like Fundamentalists.

Also, is that actually a sin.

To please a disbeliever over a religious matter yes it is

The flag itself is not any sort of religious symbol. The words can easily be displayed on any type of flag.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:24 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Then what do you call what you just did lol?

Spreading the truth

...Literally just...

Wow. Amin is no longer my least favorite person in this thread.
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Postby Zizou » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:26 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Yay takfir!

And people wonder why I left Islam smh.

I am not a Takfiri

So, you're not trying to call me a disbeliever... What are you trying to do?
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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:28 am

Zizou wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:I am not a Takfiri

So, you're not trying to call me a disbeliever... What are you trying to do?

I undoubtedly believe you are but that does not make me a Takfiri I cannot call anyone Muslim that respects Aisha, Umar or Abu Bakr

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Postby Kowani » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:29 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Zizou wrote:So, you're not trying to call me a disbeliever... What are you trying to do?

I undoubtedly believe you are but that does not make me a Takfiri I cannot call anyone Muslim that respects Aisha, Umar or Abu Bakr

...That is the dictionary definition of a Takfiri.
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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:30 am

Kowani wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:I undoubtedly believe you are but that does not make me a Takfiri I cannot call anyone Muslim that respects Aisha, Umar or Abu Bakr

...That is the dictionary definition of a Takfiri.

The Wahhabis are Takfiris

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Zizou
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Postby Zizou » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:32 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Zizou wrote:So, you're not trying to call me a disbeliever... What are you trying to do?

I undoubtedly believe you are but that does not make me a Takfiri I cannot call anyone Muslim that respects Aisha, Umar or Abu Bakr

Are you trying to accuse me of hypocrisy then? Again, my stance on Abu Bakr has no affect on how I live my day to day life. Allah (SWT) judges my actions, and this has no effect on action I take. Whatever point you're trying to make is extremely shortsighted on your part.
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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:33 am

Zizou wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:I undoubtedly believe you are but that does not make me a Takfiri I cannot call anyone Muslim that respects Aisha, Umar or Abu Bakr

Are you trying to accuse me of hypocrisy then? Again, my stance on Abu Bakr has no affect on how I live my day to day life. Allah (SWT) judges my actions, and this has no effect on action I take. Whatever point you're trying to make is extremely shortsighted on your part.

Supporting them is supporting opposition to Allah and supporting the murder of the Prophet and his family (AS)

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Postby Zizou » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:33 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Kowani wrote:...That is the dictionary definition of a Takfiri.

The Wahhabis are Takfiris

Takfir or takfeer is a controversial concept in Islamist discourse, denoting excommunication, as one Muslim declaring another Muslim as a non-believer.

Hmm, I wonder what you've just done?
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:34 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Kowani wrote:...That is the dictionary definition of a Takfiri.

The Wahhabis are Takfiris

As are you. Takfiris invoke takfir. As you literally just did.
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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:35 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:The Wahhabis are Takfiris

As are you. Takfiris invoke takfir. As you literally just did.

Takfirism only exists among Wahhabis

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Postby Zizou » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:35 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Zizou wrote:Are you trying to accuse me of hypocrisy then? Again, my stance on Abu Bakr has no affect on how I live my day to day life. Allah (SWT) judges my actions, and this has no effect on action I take. Whatever point you're trying to make is extremely shortsighted on your part.

Supporting them is supporting opposition to Allah and supporting the murder of the Prophet and his family (AS)

Can you find any Hadith, or anything to support this, besides your half an hour long youtube video?
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