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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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Postby Byzconia » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:29 pm

New haven america wrote:
Byzconia wrote:It's didn't say they didn't have resources, I said they were deprived of them. Their resources are largely controlled by the US, EU, and China through neocolonialist trade policies, making it virtually impossible for their governments to effectively manage them, corrupt or not (though, the massive amounts of corruption that do exist aren't exactly helping).

Oh look, a massive overgeneralization appeared. TBH, a lot of the most resource rich countries in the world are located in Africa: the Congos, South Sudan and Uganda, Botswana, etc...

The main problem isn't foreign intervention/control (Though that is an issue), it's the environment and infrastructure. DRC Congo is one of the top 10 of most metal rich countries in the world, but they can barely any of it due to the Congo Rainforest (Which means no one can get to these massive metal and mineral deposits), meanwhile, Uganda and South Sudan lack the funding and roads/vehicles to extract their oil (Sudan removed all of their equipment when South Sudan became independent). There are some countries that are able to get their resources though: Botswana's doing very well with its diamonds and /scientific/regular tourism to the world's largest inland river delta, while Angola has oil it's able to tap into.

And I've already mentioned infrastructure in a previous post. Also, we're not talking about Africa, but the Third World in-general. Regardless, this is all irrelevant to this thread, so this is the last post I'll make on the subject.
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Postby The National Salvation Front for Russia » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:30 pm

Mineral resources aren't the key to prosperity unless the government is already democratic. Otherwise the resources are just an easy way for corrupt regimes to make a heap while ignoring the basic needs of their citizens. Usually they'd have to provide some basic services to keep the people working and thus collect taxes, but mineral resources cut the locals mostly of the equation.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:36 pm

Byzconia wrote:
New haven america wrote:Oh look, a massive overgeneralization appeared. TBH, a lot of the most resource rich countries in the world are located in Africa: the Congos, South Sudan and Uganda, Botswana, etc...

The main problem isn't foreign intervention/control (Though that is an issue), it's the environment and infrastructure. DRC Congo is one of the top 10 of most metal rich countries in the world, but they can barely any of it due to the Congo Rainforest (Which means no one can get to these massive metal and mineral deposits), meanwhile, Uganda and South Sudan lack the funding and roads/vehicles to extract their oil (Sudan removed all of their equipment when South Sudan became independent). There are some countries that are able to get their resources though: Botswana's doing very well with its diamonds and /scientific/regular tourism to the world's largest inland river delta, while Angola has oil it's able to tap into.

And I've already mentioned infrastructure in a previous post. Also, we're not talking about Africa, but the Third World in-general. Regardless, this is all irrelevant to this thread, so this is the last post I'll make on the subject.

Where are the majority of former European colonies located?

Also, Africa does apply to this thread. Because what's the majority religion in North Africa?
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:43 pm

New haven america wrote:
Byzconia wrote:And I've already mentioned infrastructure in a previous post. Also, we're not talking about Africa, but the Third World in-general. Regardless, this is all irrelevant to this thread, so this is the last post I'll make on the subject.

Where are the majority of former European colonies located?

Also, Africa does apply to this thread. Because what's the majority religion in North Africa?

That is still irrelevant to this thread

Which is why I moved the discussion here:

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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:32 am

Frievolk wrote:
Hirota wrote:Happy Silly Fatwa Day!

Friendly reminder that Khomeini should have been executed by Guillotine the moment he set foot on Paris.


In general, Shah's government didn't exactly do good with the clergies, the elites, and the government was getting more autocratic. The White Revolution was great, but it didn't do enough goodness for the clergies.

But the corruption was real, too.
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Postby Frievolk » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:42 am

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
Frievolk wrote:Friendly reminder that Khomeini should have been executed by Guillotine the moment he set foot on Paris.


In general, Shah's government didn't exactly do good with the clergies, the elites, and the government was getting more autocratic. The White Revolution was great, but it didn't do enough goodness for the clergies.

But the corruption was real, too.

Sure, but Khomeini was a traitor, committing Treason actively (also calling for Child Rape, but let's ignore that). The punishment for Treason is generally the Guillotine.
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Postby The Husseini State » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:33 pm

Frievolk wrote:
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
In general, Shah's government didn't exactly do good with the clergies, the elites, and the government was getting more autocratic. The White Revolution was great, but it didn't do enough goodness for the clergies.

But the corruption was real, too.

Sure, but Khomeini was a traitor, committing Treason actively (also calling for Child Rape, but let's ignore that). The punishment for Treason is generally the Guillotine.

The revolution was betrayed by Khamenei, the revolution was done in the name of Islam yet his successors corrupted it and turned it into a revolution of selfishness and into a state of loathsomeness we strive for Allah, his Messenger, and the legacy of the Imams (S) and what Iran's treacherous leadership has brought us is a state of idolatry and falseness arresting our scholars and purging the students of knowledge.

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Postby The Husseini State » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:49 pm

Dahyan wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I am joining Pilar on my opposition to Iran's government because they ban Ahmadiyya, and not to mention, Iran could've been a western style democracy that would've allowed all views to exist had the theocracy not come.

Western style government is a generally a terrible idea in any Third World country.

More about the Zaydi Islamic school of thought:

Why are you spreading this sect? The Zaydiyyah are like the Nasibi Bakris and revere Abu Bakr and we know his crimes my brother if you wish to follow the the path of the Party of Ali you should study the Hadiths and the Quran its all there the teachings of the Zadiyyah are very corrupt and only create division among our blessed religion we are the followers of Muhammad (P) and we walk the path of the Shuhada that died at Karbala for the sake of Allah out of their love for Ahlul Bayt.

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Postby Negarakita » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:42 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Dahyan wrote:Western style government is a generally a terrible idea in any Third World country.

More about the Zaydi Islamic school of thought:

Why are you spreading this sect? The Zaydiyyah are like the Nasibi Bakris and revere Abu Bakr and we know his crimes my brother if you wish to follow the the path of the Party of Ali you should study the Hadiths and the Quran its all there the teachings of the Zadiyyah are very corrupt and only create division among our blessed religion we are the followers of Muhammad (P) and we walk the path of the Shuhada that died at Karbala for the sake of Allah out of their love for Ahlul Bayt.

Ooh yay a real life 12er. Assalamualaikum. Why do you use the ISIS flag mixed with the first Saudi one tho? Neither was very open to Shiism.
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The Husseini State
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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:44 am

Negarakita wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:More about the Zaydi Islamic school of thought:

Why are you spreading this sect? The Zaydiyyah are like the Nasibi Bakris and revere Abu Bakr and we know his crimes my brother if you wish to follow the the path of the Party of Ali you should study the Hadiths and the Quran its all there the teachings of the Zadiyyah are very corrupt and only create division among our blessed religion we are the followers of Muhammad (P) and we walk the path of the Shuhada that died at Karbala for the sake of Allah out of their love for Ahlul Bayt.

Ooh yay a real life 12er. Assalamualaikum. Why do you use the ISIS flag mixed with the first Saudi one tho? Neither was very open to Shiism.

"ISIS" does not own the flag the flag is Islamic and no one owns it and they need to realize that their "Islamic" State means nothing because the banner belongs to real Muslims not them and they are stealing it and destroying its meaning as people will associate the blessed banner with them instead of Islam and there is no Saudi symbolism on it the sword is Dhulfiqar the sword of Ali (p)

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Postby Negarakita » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:46 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Negarakita wrote:Ooh yay a real life 12er. Assalamualaikum. Why do you use the ISIS flag mixed with the first Saudi one tho? Neither was very open to Shiism.

"ISIS" does not own the flag the flag is Islamic and no one owns it and they need to realize that their "Islamic" State means nothing because the banner belongs to real Muslims not them and they are stealing it and destroying its meaning as people will associate the blessed banner with them instead of Islam and there is no Saudi symbolism on it the sword is Dhulfiqar the sword of Ali (p)

I know, but there are other versions of the flag which look better imo and don't have such connotations. And I saw the rest of the flag wrong. what do yoy think of Bektashis?
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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:49 am

Negarakita wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:"ISIS" does not own the flag the flag is Islamic and no one owns it and they need to realize that their "Islamic" State means nothing because the banner belongs to real Muslims not them and they are stealing it and destroying its meaning as people will associate the blessed banner with them instead of Islam and there is no Saudi symbolism on it the sword is Dhulfiqar the sword of Ali (p)

I know, but there are other versions of the flag which look better imo and don't have such connotations. And I saw the rest of the flag wrong. what do yoy think of Bektashis?

From the little I know of them I do not support them they mix many things that are foreign to the teachings of the Imamah and Muhammad (P) so I do not like them.

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Postby Negarakita » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:54 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Negarakita wrote:I know, but there are other versions of the flag which look better imo and don't have such connotations. And I saw the rest of the flag wrong. what do yoy think of Bektashis?

From the little I know of them I do not support them they mix many things that are foreign to the teachings of the Imamah and Muhammad (P) so I do not like them.

Are you Iranian?
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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:56 am

Negarakita wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:From the little I know of them I do not support them they mix many things that are foreign to the teachings of the Imamah and Muhammad (P) so I do not like them.

Are you Iranian?

I am Omani

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Postby Negarakita » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:57 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Negarakita wrote:Are you Iranian?

I am Omani

And not an Ibadhi?

aww
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The Husseini State
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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:58 am

Negarakita wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:I am Omani

And not an Ibadhi?

aww

No thankfully not they are the remains of Khariji sect that spread Fitnah and murdered Ali (p) and waged war against Islam and the holy household

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:59 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Dahyan wrote:Western style government is a generally a terrible idea in any Third World country.

More about the Zaydi Islamic school of thought:

Why are you spreading this sect? The Zaydiyyah are like the Nasibi Bakris and revere Abu Bakr and we know his crimes my brother if you wish to follow the the path of the Party of Ali you should study the Hadiths and the Quran its all there the teachings of the Zadiyyah are very corrupt and only create division among our blessed religion we are the followers of Muhammad (P) and we walk the path of the Shuhada that died at Karbala for the sake of Allah out of their love for Ahlul Bayt.

Amen. Ismailis are the only true Shia :)

Also, maybe we can go without the "nasibi" shit.
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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:01 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:More about the Zaydi Islamic school of thought:

Why are you spreading this sect? The Zaydiyyah are like the Nasibi Bakris and revere Abu Bakr and we know his crimes my brother if you wish to follow the the path of the Party of Ali you should study the Hadiths and the Quran its all there the teachings of the Zadiyyah are very corrupt and only create division among our blessed religion we are the followers of Muhammad (P) and we walk the path of the Shuhada that died at Karbala for the sake of Allah out of their love for Ahlul Bayt.

Amen. Ismailis are the only true Shia :)

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Postby Negarakita » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:01 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Negarakita wrote:And not an Ibadhi?

aww

No thankfully not they are the remains of Khariji sect that spread Fitnah and murdered Ali (p) and waged war against Islam and the holy household

http://bintibadh.blogspot.com/2013/03/a ... egend.html
http://bintibadh.blogspot.com/2013/12/a ... end-2.html
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:01 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Amen. Ismailis are the only true Shia :)

The Aqa Khan has no authority he is not Imam az-Zaman he is a disgrace to our Jafari Aqeidah

:( So much anger.
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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:05 am

Negarakita wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:No thankfully not they are the remains of Khariji sect that spread Fitnah and murdered Ali (p) and waged war against Islam and the holy household

http://bintibadh.blogspot.com/2013/03/a ... egend.html
http://bintibadh.blogspot.com/2013/12/a ... end-2.html

The teachings are wrong they are no different from Wahhabis the Sultan even supports the Saudis

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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:06 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:The Aqa Khan has no authority he is not Imam az-Zaman he is a disgrace to our Jafari Aqeidah

:( So much anger.

It pains me to see many fall for the trap when we have pure guidance from the true Imam of our era

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:07 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote::( So much anger.

It pains me to see many fall for the trap when we have pure guidance from the true Imam of our era

Which is?
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Postby The Husseini State » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:08 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
The Husseini State wrote:It pains me to see many fall for the trap when we have pure guidance from the true Imam of our era

Which is?

Allah knows best who he is he may be hidden but he is guiding us

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:10 am

The Husseini State wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Which is?

Allah knows best who he is he may be hidden but he is guiding us

Makes perfect sense.
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