The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[Jolthig]

What did I do?

Thanks for asking - I have been trying to find out if there is an official name for this debating strategy - where one pretends to not understand an opponent - since it is insanely popular amongst muslims.

So what is it called ? And do you grin malevolently like a grand vizier whenever you use it ?

Although, I may not agree completely with kubumba's way of arguing (and I have pointed it out to him a few times via TG), can we please focus on the arguments and not who the opponent is or what he does?

Appeal to motive is not a very good way to discredit an opponent. If they are acting dishonest or if you can't agree with them, then don't debate them.

Can NSG please remind itself that we are to attack the argument and not a user? That's even in accordance with the rules of rational argumentation and for us Muslims, the Quran and hadith (no name calling). Hence, why when I act up (like I did last week), I take breaks and contemplate.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Yes, for Islam. There are many madhhabs and such for a reason: because people have different interpretations.

Most don't stray fat from the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah tho.

There are still many interpretations.

[Jolthig]

Learning from the example of prophet Luqman (as), is a great advice from the Quran. To always remind brothers and sisters to do good.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Learning from the example of prophet Luqman (as), is a great advice from the Quran. To always remind brothers and sisters to do good.

Yeah.

[Sweden1]

Well their religious book does tell them to kill infidels.

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=kub ... id=1115207:

Jihad
http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/unders ... ml?start=9
https://sunnah.com/urn/1276900
https://sunnah.com/urn/409900
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AmcCrq6fIr0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=klFib4nid7g
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2eR-ljgwTTA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fD9VrPfk028
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t0smqx_Cen4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kVfftHFDXko
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0cK4PVGa6d8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ypNCRK5SloM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nRajIIDcTJk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yRP7m68ZDVY)
Watch the links inside the parentheses consecutively, they are parts 1 - 8.

Stop bullshitting people with your taqiya and expose Islam for the evil cult it is !

[Jolthig]

Learning from the example of prophet Luqman (as), is a great advice from the Quran. To always remind brothers and sisters to do good.

Yeah.

It's a great surah.

The Qu'ran has many wonderful things. All of it is wonderful lol

[Jolthig]

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=kub ... id=1115207:

Jihad
http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/unders ... ml?start=9
https://sunnah.com/urn/1276900
https://sunnah.com/urn/409900
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AmcCrq6fIr0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=klFib4nid7g
(https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2eR-ljgwTTA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fD9VrPfk028
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t0smqx_Cen4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kVfftHFDXko
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0cK4PVGa6d8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ypNCRK5SloM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nRajIIDcTJk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yRP7m68ZDVY)
Watch the links inside the parentheses consecutively, they are parts 1 - 8.

Stop bullshitting people with your taqiya and expose Islam for the evil cult it is !

1. This post in itself is a fallacy.
2. Islam isn't a cult. Instead of accusing Amin of lying, why not learn what Islam is?

[Sweden1]

Stop bullshitting people with your taqiya and expose Islam for the evil cult it is !

1. This post in itself is a fallacy.
2. Islam isn't a cult. Instead of accusing Amin of lying, why not learn what Islam is?

I know what Islam is and I don’t want that shit in Sweden or Europe as a person of the lgbt+ of course I’m gonna hate Islam for what you cunts do to gay people throwing them off buildings and caning them is so barbaric and and backwards ! Islam’s days in the west is numbered the revolution has started with the Gilets jaunes (yellow vests ).

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Learning from the example of prophet Luqman (as), is a great advice from the Quran. To always remind brothers and sisters to do good.

Was Luqman a prophet, though?

[Jolthig]

1. This post in itself is a fallacy.
2. Islam isn't a cult. Instead of accusing Amin of lying, why not learn what Islam is?

I know what Islam is and I don’t want that shit in Sweden or Europe as a person of the lgbt+ of course I’m gonna hate Islam for what you cunts do to gay people throwing them off buildings and caning them is so barbaric and and backwards ! Islam’s days in the west is numbered the revolution has started with the Gilets jaunes (yellow vests ).

1. Islam doesn't command people to throw LGBTs off of buildings. Neither Amin nor myself advocate for any of that. As a matter in fact, we are against such barbaric acts as it's against Islam.

2. Let's have a call conversation, shall we? I am not here to fight you, Sweden. I would like to do dialouge with you.

[Frievolk]

https://quran.com/61/4


MFW The Taqiyya is so good you translate "murder" into "Fight" just so you give Quran a better name. (The actual translation, as any Arab could tell you if they weren't lying, would be "Truly, God loves those who murder for his cause in a firm structure" btw)

[Kubumba Tribe]

https://quran.com/61/4


MFW The Taqiyya is so good you translate "murder" into "Fight" just so you give Quran a better name. (The actual translation, as any Arab could tell you if they weren't lying, would be "Truly, God loves those who murder for his cause in a firm structure" btw)

Or kill.
This is why Muslims should strive to learn Qur'anic Arabic. Translations can only do so much.

[Frievolk]

https://quran.com/61/4


MFW The Taqiyya is so good you translate "murder" into "Fight" just so you give Quran a better name. (The actual translation, as any Arab could tell you if they weren't lying, would be "Truly, God loves those who murder for his cause in a firm structure" btw)

Or kill.
This is why Muslims should strive to learn Qur'anic Arabic. Translations can only do so much.

No actually this "mistranslation" is intentional. It's one thing to claim "You're superior to women", but saying "just fucking murder people in his name and god'll love you" is somewhat accurate about what the nature of what Islam is and that's too "ISIS" for any civilized person's sensibilities.

[Jolthig]

https://quran.com/61/4


MFW The Taqiyya is so good you translate "murder" into "Fight" just so you give Quran a better name. (The actual translation, as any Arab could tell you if they weren't lying, would be "Truly, God loves those who murder for his cause in a firm structure" btw)

Or kill.
This is why Muslims should strive to learn Qur'anic Arabic. Translations can only do so much.

Agreed. Arabic has a variety of meanings. Its a very interesting language. Especially when looking at it from Quran.

[Jolthig]

https://quran.com/61/4


MFW The Taqiyya is so good you translate "murder" into "Fight" just so you give Quran a better name. (The actual translation, as any Arab could tell you if they weren't lying, would be "Truly, God loves those who murder for his cause in a firm structure" btw)

Actually, you are incorrect.

The Arabic does say "fight" according to here: https://www.alislam.org/quran/61:5

Note the word (especially the alif in between the qaf and ta, یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ ("they fight").

As for the link you sent, your assertion is incorrect. I believe they are showing a different form of alif in the word, یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ.

Take a look at the Arabic words again closely and compare them, Pilarcraft on both your link and mine.

The reason I think you are incorrect is because take a look at the word, بُنۡیَانٌ ("structure"). The reaosn I'm bringing up this word is because it has a smaller alif in the script that you used. It's therefore, the same case for یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ.

[Frievolk]

https://quran.com/61/4


MFW The Taqiyya is so good you translate "murder" into "Fight" just so you give Quran a better name. (The actual translation, as any Arab could tell you if they weren't lying, would be "Truly, God loves those who murder for his cause in a firm structure" btw)

Actually, you are incorrect.

The Arabic does say "fight" according to here: https://www.alislam.org/quran/61:5

Note the word (especially the alif in between the qaf and ta, یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ ("they fight").

As for the link you sent, your assertion is incorrect. I believe they are showing a different form of alif in the word, یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ.

Take a look at the Arabic words again closely and compare them, Pilarcraft on both your link and mine.

The reason I think you are incorrect is because take a look at the word, بُنۡیَانٌ ("structure"). The reaosn I'm bringing up this word is because it has a smaller alif in the script that you used. It's therefore, the same case for یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ.

While you are, probably unintentionally, missing the part where قاتَل means "person who fights to kill" (literally), I stand corrected.

[Jolthig]

Actually, you are incorrect.

The Arabic does say "fight" according to here: https://www.alislam.org/quran/61:5

Note the word (especially the alif in between the qaf and ta, یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ ("they fight").

As for the link you sent, your assertion is incorrect. I believe they are showing a different form of alif in the word, یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ.

Take a look at the Arabic words again closely and compare them, Pilarcraft on both your link and mine.

The reason I think you are incorrect is because take a look at the word, بُنۡیَانٌ ("structure"). The reaosn I'm bringing up this word is because it has a smaller alif in the script that you used. It's therefore, the same case for یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ.

While you are, probably unintentionally, missing the part where قاتَل means "person who fights to kill" (literally), I stand corrected.

It is a form of Qatl, yes, but the alif is there to make Qatl in the context of war. While Qatl without the alif refers to murder/killing as you said earlier.

[Frievolk]

While you are, probably unintentionally, missing the part where قاتَل means "person who fights to kill" (literally), I stand corrected.

It is a form of Qatl, yes, but the alif is there to make Qatl in the context of war. While Qatl without the alif refers to murder/killing as you said earlier.

(For Future reference, the َ is called "Nasb نصب" while used for verb and "Fat'he فتحه" while used for nouns)

[Jolthig]

It is a form of Qatl, yes, but the alif is there to make Qatl in the context of war. While Qatl without the alif refers to murder/killing as you said earlier.

(For Future reference, the َ is called "Nasb نصب" while used for verb and "Fat'he فتحه" while used for nouns)

Yeah, I took a small class almost two years ago at my at my mosque to learn the Arabic alphabet as well as what you've mentioned.

[Lamoni]

1. This post in itself is a fallacy.
2. Islam isn't a cult. Instead of accusing Amin of lying, why not learn what Islam is?

I know what Islam is and I don’t want that shit in Sweden or Europe as a person of the lgbt+ of course I’m gonna hate Islam for what you cunts do to gay people throwing them off buildings and caning them is so barbaric and and backwards ! Islam’s days in the west is numbered the revolution has started with the Gilets jaunes (yellow vests ).

There's no call for insulting people like that. Muslims are not commanded to throw people off of buildings, LGBT+ or not. Further, caning is a punishment performed in only a small number of nations, it is not part of Islam.

*** Warning for Flaming ***

[Dahyan]

1. This post in itself is a fallacy.
2. Islam isn't a cult. Instead of accusing Amin of lying, why not learn what Islam is?

I know what Islam is and I don’t want that shit in Sweden or Europe as a person of the lgbt+ of course I’m gonna hate Islam for what you cunts do to gay people throwing them off buildings and caning them is so barbaric and and backwards ! Islam’s days in the west is numbered the revolution has started with the Gilets jaunes (yellow vests ).

The gilets jaunes are a protest movement against neoliberal economic policies, and has nothing to do with being against Islam. In fact, numerous of the banlieu population, many of whom are Muslims, are participating in the Paris rallies.

[Dahyan]

https://quran.com/61/4


MFW The Taqiyya is so good you translate "murder" into "Fight" just so you give Quran a better name. (The actual translation, as any Arab could tell you if they weren't lying, would be "Truly, God loves those who murder for his cause in a firm structure" btw)

Actually, you are incorrect.

The Arabic does say "fight" according to here: https://www.alislam.org/quran/61:5

Note the word (especially the alif in between the qaf and ta, یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ ("they fight").

As for the link you sent, your assertion is incorrect. I believe they are showing a different form of alif in the word, یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ.

Take a look at the Arabic words again closely and compare them, Pilarcraft on both your link and mine.

The reason I think you are incorrect is because take a look at the word, بُنۡیَانٌ ("structure"). The reaosn I'm bringing up this word is because it has a smaller alif in the script that you used. It's therefore, the same case for یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ.

The problem with this sort of argument is that it is likely Frievolk will call the source itself a form of "taqiyya" anyway. So I'm afraid we won't get very far in this discussion.

[Jolthig]

Actually, you are incorrect.

The Arabic does say "fight" according to here: https://www.alislam.org/quran/61:5

Note the word (especially the alif in between the qaf and ta, یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ ("they fight").

As for the link you sent, your assertion is incorrect. I believe they are showing a different form of alif in the word, یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ.

Take a look at the Arabic words again closely and compare them, Pilarcraft on both your link and mine.

The reason I think you are incorrect is because take a look at the word, بُنۡیَانٌ ("structure"). The reaosn I'm bringing up this word is because it has a smaller alif in the script that you used. It's therefore, the same case for یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ.

The problem with this sort of argument is that it is likely Frievolk will call the source itself a form of "taqiyya" anyway. So I'm afraid we won't get very far in this discussion.

He admitted he was incorrect.

Actually, you are incorrect.

The Arabic does say "fight" according to here: https://www.alislam.org/quran/61:5

Note the word (especially the alif in between the qaf and ta, یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ ("they fight").

As for the link you sent, your assertion is incorrect. I believe they are showing a different form of alif in the word, یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ.

Take a look at the Arabic words again closely and compare them, Pilarcraft on both your link and mine.

The reason I think you are incorrect is because take a look at the word, بُنۡیَانٌ ("structure"). The reaosn I'm bringing up this word is because it has a smaller alif in the script that you used. It's therefore, the same case for یُقَاتِلُوۡنَ.

While you are, probably unintentionally, missing the part where قاتَل means "person who fights to kill" (literally), I stand corrected.

[Jolthig]

As I've said to a few brothers lately, let's get some more dialouge here among us Muslims. I feel we are too focused on those who ridicule us on here than our ownselves. Sometimes it's best to ignore them. Plus, we need to reform if we want to get better and that starts with having a level head and dialogue.

How are you brothers and sisters doing?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

As I've said to a few brothers lately, let's get some more dialouge here among us Muslims. I feel we are too focused on those who ridicule us on here than our ownselves. Sometimes it's best to ignore them. Plus, we need to reform if we want to get better and that starts with having a level head and dialogue.

How are you brothers and sisters doing?

Good AlHamdulillah, wbu?
I gotta do homework after I do maghrib so I might be absent here.