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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:31 pm

I swear when I’m talking to Amin I can feel the Arabian wind and sand from 715 A.D permeating my senses.
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Postby Negarakita » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:51 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Frievolk wrote:Not sure about Muhammad (there are conflicting reports) but here's one report from a site Amin likes to quote every so often.
https://islamqa.info/en/227776

(Also, please don't ignore the part where

I have a collection of those Hadith in my notes a d a collection of Hadith that counter those.

Amin, you know, the guy who runs that site is a Salafist fundamentalist right? That's why people think you are one.

It's literally the guy who called for a fatwa on mickey mouse

We need some sudanese ansari who can call for slavery and anti-colonial revolution like a true chad
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Postby Saranidia » Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:58 pm

Negarakita wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I have a collection of those Hadith in my notes a d a collection of Hadith that counter those.

Amin, you know, the guy who runs that site is a Salafist fundamentalist right? That's why people think you are one.

It's literally the guy who called for a fatwa on mickey mouse

We need some sudanese ansari who can call for slavery and anti-colonial revolution like a true chad


what do you mean a fatwa on mickey mouse? a fatwa saying Disney is haram? an Iranian style fatwa of execution on a fictional character? or something else?
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Postby Herskerstad » Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:09 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Negarakita wrote:It's literally the guy who called for a fatwa on mickey mouse

We need some sudanese ansari who can call for slavery and anti-colonial revolution like a true chad


what do you mean a fatwa on mickey mouse? a fatwa saying Disney is haram? an Iranian style fatwa of execution on a fictional character? or something else?


Who knows, either way makes as much sense as declaring a crusade on Ducktales.
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Postby Negarakita » Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:11 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Negarakita wrote:It's literally the guy who called for a fatwa on mickey mouse

We need some sudanese ansari who can call for slavery and anti-colonial revolution like a true chad


what do you mean a fatwa on mickey mouse? a fatwa saying Disney is haram? an Iranian style fatwa of execution on a fictional character? or something else?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldn ... leric.html
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Postby Kowani » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:25 pm

Negarakita wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I have a collection of those Hadith in my notes a d a collection of Hadith that counter those.

Amin, you know, the guy who runs that site is a Salafist fundamentalist right? That's why people think you are one.

It's literally the guy who called for a fatwa on mickey mouse

We need some sudanese ansari who can call for slavery and anti-colonial revolution like a true chad

Because the Islamic world has no bigger problems right now...
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Postby Negarakita » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:34 pm

Kowani wrote:
Negarakita wrote:It's literally the guy who called for a fatwa on mickey mouse

We need some sudanese ansari who can call for slavery and anti-colonial revolution like a true chad

Because the Islamic world has no bigger problems right now...

Nope that damn mouse is responsible for all of life's ills
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Postby Jolthig » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:35 pm

Negarakita wrote:
Kowani wrote:Because the Islamic world has no bigger problems right now...

Nope that damn mouse is responsible for all of life's ills

Mickey Mouse is secretly the Dajjal.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:00 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Frievolk wrote:Not sure about Muhammad (there are conflicting reports) but here's one report from a site Amin likes to quote every so often.
https://islamqa.info/en/227776

(Also, please don't ignore the part where

I have a collection of those Hadith in my notes a d a collection of Hadith that counter those.

Amin, you know, the guy who runs that site is a Salafist fundamentalist right? That's why people think you are one.

I don't care what they think about me. And the brother has reliable info, that's why I use him. And there's nothing wrong with being Salafi. And I use a lot more sites than islamqa, so that's dumb to judge because they only look at 1 site I use.
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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Well most of the madhaahib say it's obligatory.

Uh... No. The Shafii, Maliki, and Hanafi all view it as mustahhab. As I've already said several times. Are you just not reading what I post?

Oh, I read that wrong, sorry.
Greater Cesnica wrote:I swear when I’m talking to Amin I can feel the Arabian wind and sand from 715 A.D permeating my senses.

That's pretty cool, but how about the Arabian wind and sand from 12 BH - 10 AH/610-632 AD? ;)
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:02 pm

Negarakita wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I have a collection of those Hadith in my notes a d a collection of Hadith that counter those.

Amin, you know, the guy who runs that site is a Salafist fundamentalist right? That's why people think you are one.

It's literally the guy who called for a fatwa on mickey mouse

Ok, mostly reliable info (forgot about him doing that. Has he taken that fatwa back or does he still stand by it?).
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Postby Negarakita » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:04 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Negarakita wrote:It's literally the guy who called for a fatwa on mickey mouse

Ok, mostly reliable info (forgot about him doing that. Has he taken that fatwa back or does he still stand by it?).

Iirc he took it back
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:04 pm

Amin, do you believe that the Quran should be taken literally, and that every concept pushed in it should exist in today’s society?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:09 pm

Negarakita wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Ok, mostly reliable info (forgot about him doing that. Has he taken that fatwa back or does he still stand by it?).

Iirc he took it back

I hope so.
Greater Cesnica wrote:Amin, do you believe that the Quran should be taken literally

No
Greater Cesnica wrote:and that every concept pushed in it should exist in today’s society?

Of course.
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Postby Negarakita » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:11 pm

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:15 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Negarakita wrote:Iirc he took it back

I hope so.
Greater Cesnica wrote:Amin, do you believe that the Quran should be taken literally

No
Greater Cesnica wrote:and that every concept pushed in it should exist in today’s society?

Of course.

What do you think of Quran 65:4?

https://quran.com/65/4

”And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.”
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:16 pm

Negarakita wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-sL6aEpcSM

Truly a powerful speech

10/10 grammar in the description. Can’t watch vid cuz I don’t have earbuds on me and I’m in public.
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San Lumen wrote:You are ridiculous.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:27 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Oh, I read that wrong, sorry.

Wow. Wrong yet again, in relation to this single topic. Here's an idea: don't argue about shit you clearly don't understand.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:28 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I hope so.

No

Of course.

What do you think of Quran 65:4?

https://quran.com/65/4

”And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.”

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http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option ... 16&Itemid=
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Postby Negarakita » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:28 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Oh, I read that wrong, sorry.

Wow. Wrong yet again, in relation to this single topic. Here's an idea: don't argue about shit you clearly don't understand.

Always a good idea tbh. It's why I stay out of hadith arguments
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:34 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Oh, I read that wrong, sorry.

Wow. Wrong yet again, in relation to this single topic. Here's an idea: don't argue about stuff you clearly don't understand.

Reading something wrong =/= misunderstanding
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:51 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Wow. Wrong yet again, in relation to this single topic. Here's an idea: don't argue about stuff you clearly don't understand.

Reading something wrong =/= misunderstanding

Considering out of your statement that I called completely horseshit, all of it was actually horseshit, maybe you don't actually understand, eh? Because:
1. Manumission is not obligatory in the majority of Islam
2. It is not the slave just asking.for freedom
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:52 pm

Negarakita wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Wow. Wrong yet again, in relation to this single topic. Here's an idea: don't argue about shit you clearly don't understand.

Always a good idea tbh. It's why I stay out of hadith arguments

It's one of my cardinal rules of debate. If more people followed it, we'd be much better off.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:57 pm


I remember that Hadith about Prophet Muhammad SAWS interceding for the free person who was enslaved. Lemme see if I can find it: ok, I can't find it, can someone find it for pls? Thx.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:58 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Reading something wrong =/= misunderstanding

Considering out of your statement that I called completely horseshit, all of it was actually horseshit, maybe you don't actually understand, eh? Because:
1. Manumission is not obligatory in the majority of Islam
2. It is not the slave just asking.for freedom

I knew about 2, I just forgot to mention it. And I don't think it was even that. I cited a source that talked about the price of freedom.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:02 pm

Reikoku wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I'm talking about nowadays.


It's never okay to marry a nine year old, sorry.

Says who?
Reikoku wrote:Especially when you claim to have God speaking to you.

That was actually a prophetic dream. Allah SWT told the Prophet Muhammad SAWS that his marriage to A'isha RA would happen.
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