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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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Postby Frievolk » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:51 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Frievolk wrote:It's the best place they come from (apart from Indonesia, of course, but we're not talking about that)

You missed out on a big party earlier lol
I indeed did, didn't I?
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:55 pm

Frievolk wrote:
Jolthig wrote:You missed out on a big party earlier lol
I indeed did, didn't I?
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Haven't seen this thread get that many posts in one night (for me) since the first time Aelex started going on his "Crusades were good" rampage.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:05 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I know.
What I don't know is why people keep pointing out the Middle East as it that's the only place Muslims come from.

Lol you act like Somalia, Libya, Afghanistan, large parts of Pakistan, North Sudan, Eritrea, Moro Philippines, Niger, Chad, Mali, northern Nigeria, etc. are better places to be.

You act like I said that.
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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:That's assuming the system failed.


You yourself state that the Ummah does not properly adhere to it (and implied that that is the reason bad things still happen) But convincing people to adhere to it IS a requirement of the system.If it fails to do so, it fails.

Well that's more the govs' fault, not the religion.
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Postby Frievolk » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:19 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Lol you act like Somalia, Libya, Afghanistan, large parts of Pakistan, North Sudan, Eritrea, Moro Philippines, Niger, Chad, Mali, northern Nigeria, etc. are better places to be.

You act like I said that.
The Grims wrote:
You yourself state that the Ummah does not properly adhere to it (and implied that that is the reason bad things still happen) But convincing people to adhere to it IS a requirement of the system.If it fails to do so, it fails.

Well that's more the govs' fault, not the religion.
If literally every single government adhering to a religion, including that of its founder, don't follow the religion, then the religion is the one at fault.
Or maybe you think Muhammad's piracy and theft was allowed in Islam?
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:52 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Proof that the Ahmadiyya are the best Muslims :p

Technically, all Muslims are supposed to be pro-cats. Muhammad loved them.

Boooo dogs are best buddies.

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Postby Frievolk » Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:52 am

Genivaria wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Technically, all Muslims are supposed to be pro-cats. Muhammad loved them.

Boooo dogs are best buddies.
...
Never say that in front of a Muslim :p
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Postby A Leaf on the Wind » Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:53 am

Frievolk wrote:Or maybe you think Muhammad's piracy and theft was allowed in Islam?


Now I'm picturing Muhammad talking in pirate speak, thank you XD

salaam, pirate wench, shiver me timbers.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:54 am

The Grims wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Muslims' disobedience does not mean that Al-Islam has failed.


What does it mean then if a system has failed to achieve positive results for many centuries with no sign of improvement ?

You the last time I heard the 'the system didn't fail the person failed' excuse was when we were talking about abstinence only education.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:34 am

Negarakita wrote:Ok so having been kinda scared away from converting to Islam by Amin's latest "Slavery is good because Islam" tirade

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Postby The Eternal Aulus » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:39 am

Kowani wrote:Notably false. Most rapes are committed by someone the victim already knows and is familiar with. However, these cases are less sensational, and as such, aren’t as well known.

That doesn't deny, or imply, that said crimes are not committed underuse of substances.


Kowani wrote:Wearing immodest clothing: We all know how low Islamic Countries rape statistics are...Afghanistan: 160 per year (https://web.archive.org/web/20150214224 ... n-2-years/)

For a country of 38 million, it is, very low yes. Belgium for example, with a population of 10 million, had almost 3000 cases of rape (of which, I am sure not all are reported as well). Afghanistan would need 9800 cases of rape to get on the same level. Furthermore, rape victims are killed by their family in Afghanistan which is why the report is so low, and yes that is absolute horrible! Islam is against honor killings.


Kowani wrote:Algeria: Doesn’t actually define rape on the books, Bangladesh: Absolutely horrible, with an average of 10% of men admitting to rape, 95% of whom didn’t experience legal consequences, Egypt and Ethiopia don’t actually have a law against marital rape, you know what? I’m not gonna keep this up, it’s depressing.

Yes, and that's all very bad. Your point is? A country can be Muslim but the government can be extremely disgusting, I totally agree with you on that one. But that's not the case, because most Islamic states don't have their laws based on the Quran, Sunnah and what not.

Kowani wrote:Handshaking prohibition. I don’t think I need to explain why this doesn’t work.

I think you do

Kowani wrote:Ah, so the punishment is made worse for adultery. I mean, any judge worth their salt’ll spread the lashes out so the prisoner doesn’t die.

That's not what it says, it's different once the person has been married. The reason for this, as far as I know, is that a person who has been married has experienced sex and therefore the issue of ''curiosity'' has disappeared. And you're assuming.

Kowani wrote:Beautiful sentiment, but not one carried out in any Islamic countries.

Yes, which is very unfortunate.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:27 am

The Eternal Aulus wrote:most Islamic states don't have their laws based on the Quran, Sunnah and what not.

Hence making them not Islamic states.
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Postby Page » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:34 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:A lot of people dont know this. There arent three different deities in Catholicism. God is the one deity. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are ALSO God.


Well that just sounds like polytheism with extra steps.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:34 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Lol you act like Somalia, Libya, Afghanistan, large parts of Pakistan, North Sudan, Eritrea, Moro Philippines, Niger, Chad, Mali, northern Nigeria, etc. are better places to be.

You act like I said that.

I mean, most of those are sandy hellholes. You seemed to be saying that "sandy hellholes" was only the Middle East ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Postby Frievolk » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:35 am

Page wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:A lot of people dont know this. There arent three different deities in Catholicism. God is the one deity. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are ALSO God.


Well that just sounds like polytheism with extra steps.
Not really. Their god just has a multiple personality disorder.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:35 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:You act like I said that.

I mean, most of those are sandy hellholes. You seemed to be saying that "sandy hellholes" was only the Middle East ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Well I wasn't.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:44 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:I mean, most of those are sandy hellholes. You seemed to be saying that "sandy hellholes" was only the Middle East ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Well I wasn't.

So, what were you saying then? Just mentioning the Middle East for funsies with no relevance to the previous post and no one else had even said anything about it? :)
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:49 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Well I wasn't.

So, what were you saying then? Just mentioning the Middle East for funsies with no relevance to the previous post and no one else had even said anything about it? :)

Pointing out that the Middle East isn't the only Muslim-majority place in the world. Which was implied by Kowani saying "sandy hellholes"
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:51 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:So, what were you saying then? Just mentioning the Middle East for funsies with no relevance to the previous post and no one else had even said anything about it? :)

Pointing out that the Middle East isn't the only Muslim-majority place in the world. Which was implied by Kowani saying "sandy hellholes"

So, okay. Now, you're assuming something. Because literally all but like one of the countries I listed are mostly desert lol.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:17 pm

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Frievolk wrote:
Page wrote:
Well that just sounds like polytheism with extra steps.
Not really. Their god just has a multiple personality disorder.

Trinities are present in polytheistic religions as well
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Postby Herskerstad » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:23 pm

Jolthig wrote:;)
Frievolk wrote:Not really. Their god just has a multiple personality disorder.

Trinities are present in polytheistic religions as well


Most of the time it's just a talk of 3 different entities that comprise some power structure, which is not really an apt comparison with Christian doctrine.

Even Muhammad seems to have gotten it wrong when in his revelation Jesus will dismiss taking himself and Mary as gods so it's not rare even in the muslim world to mistake it.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:55 pm

Yo. I'm here. If Amin dare tries justifying slavery again...



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Postby Negarakita » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:57 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:Yo. I'm here. If Amin dare tries justifying slavery again...



I shall not be very happy.

Allah, can I have internet to spread dawah?

To spread dawah?

Yeees, to spread dawah

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:04 pm

Negarakita wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Yo. I'm here. If Amin dare tries justifying slavery again...



I shall not be very happy.

Allah, can I have internet to spread dawah?

To spread dawah?

Yeees, to spread dawah

Actually defends slavery like a boss

Alienation of other muslims time

Omfg this is the first thing on the forums that has actually made me laugh in a while.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:31 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Negarakita wrote:Allah, can I have internet to spread dawah?

To spread dawah?

Yeees, to spread dawah

Actually defends slavery like a boss

Alienation of other muslims time

Omfg this is the first thing on the forums that has actually made me laugh in a while.

Sad thing is, it's a million percent true.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:40 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Pointing out that the Middle East isn't the only Muslim-majority place in the world. Which was implied by Kowani saying "sandy hellholes"

So, okay. Now, you're assuming something. Because literally all but like one of the countries I listed are mostly desert lol.

I'm talking about Kowani, not you.
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Greater Cesnica wrote:Yo. I'm here. If Amin dare tries justifying slavery again...



I shall not be very happy.

Allah, can I have internet to spread dawah?

To spread dawah?

Yeees, to spread dawah

Actually defends slavery like a boss

Alienation of other muslims time

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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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