The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[El-Amin Caliphate]

>2nd source has literally a reputable Muslim Islamic scholar (who is a Sheikh iirc) discussing the matter and uses daleel from the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah

Ur right Masha Allah

Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatuhu you another Muslim?

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Lol you don't think the Nizaris can justify their beliefs according to the Quran and Sunnah if they want? It's literally just a mild interpretation.

I've been on what I think is the main website for Isma'ili beliefs. I've read their arguments. They are bad.

>they are bad

You know what this is? An opinion. Also known as, wait for it, an interpretation

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I've been on what I think is the main website for Isma'ili beliefs. I've read their arguments. They are bad.

>they are bad

You know what this is? An opinion. Also known as, wait for it, an interpretation

Well yes, just saying "they are bad" is an opinion. It's not an interpretation though, that's a different word.

[Herskerstad]

And right there we know your sources are full of

>2nd source has literally a reputable Muslim Islamic scholar (who is a Sheikh iirc) discussing the matter and uses daleel from the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah

It literally disproves your entire thesis in the first sentence. It claims Islam forbade slavery, you have claimed repeatedly you support slavery in as far as it is allowed within Islam, and the source itself self-contradicts itself near the end where it says Islam's treatment of slaves was humane. It's effectively worthless.

I mean aside from the fact that just throwing links is not an argument. So just answer the simple question I posed earlier. It's not one that requires a westernised thesis of Islam. Does Islam allow for muslim men to have sex with those women whom their right hand possess and is not their wives?

[Sahansahiye Iran]

>they are bad

You know what this is? An opinion. Also known as, wait for it, an interpretation

Well yes, just saying "they are bad" is an opinion. It's not an interpretation though, that's a different word.

Yes it is a different word but one with a very similar meaning. What does the Supreme Court call its rulings when it interprets the Constitution? An opinion. They're really not that different.

[Tarsonis]

Premise 2 in syllogism A needs to be proven first

Add Premise 2 in Syllogism B as well.

Of course, apply that to the Bible while you’re at it.

Our book is different

[Kowani]

Add Premise 2 in Syllogism B as well.

Of course, apply that to the Bible while you’re at it.

Our book is different

How.

[Genivaria]

https://archive.islamonline.net/?p=1243, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9be8TkbFShI

You are right. Islam forbade slavery

And right there we know your sources are full of shit.

Didn't he say that Islamic Slavery is a thing? He keeps going back and forth.

[Tarsonis]

Our book is different

How.

Islam claims the Quran is direct dictation from God. CorrectChristianity doesn’t make the same claim about the Bible.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And right there we know your sources are full of shit.

Didn't he say that Islamic Slavery is a thing? He keeps going back and forth.

How?

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Didn't he say that Islamic Slavery is a thing? He keeps going back and forth.

How?

I mean, Geni literally just said how in the message you quoted. You previously said Islamic slavery is a thing and then cited a source that says "Islam forbade slavery". That's blatantly false and the author even contradicts themselves later in it.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

How?

I mean, Geni literally just said how in the message you quoted. You previously said Islamic slavery is a thing and then cited a source that says "Islam forbade slavery". That's blatantly false and the author even contradicts themselves later in it.

Ok. But how does that show me as "keeping going back and forth"?

[Kowani]

How.

Islam claims the Quran is direct dictation from God. CorrectChristianity doesn’t make the same claim about the Bible.

Oh, I’m sorry. “Divinely inspired” Translation: God’s Word.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I mean, Geni literally just said how in the message you quoted. You previously said Islamic slavery is a thing and then cited a source that says "Islam forbade slavery". That's blatantly false and the author even contradicts themselves later in it.

Ok. But how does that show me as "keeping going back and forth"?

By. Citing. Sources. That. Contradict. What. You. Previously. Said.

Either that or you're just shitty that doing research. Both are possible.

[Kaggeceria]

Didn't he say that Islamic Slavery is a thing? He keeps going back and forth.

How?

You said slavery is allowed in Islam. Now you are presenting a "source" that says it is not.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Islam claims the Quran is direct dictation from God. CorrectChristianity doesn’t make the same claim about the Bible.

Oh, I’m sorry. “Divinely inspired” Translation: God’s Word.

Inspired =/= direct

[El-Amin Caliphate]

How?

You said slavery is allowed in Islam. Now you are presenting a "source" that says it is not.

Why is "source" in quotes?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Ok. But how does that show me as "keeping going back and forth"?

By. Citing. Sources. That. Contradict. What. You. Previously. Said.

Ok, but this is 1 time. That doesn't prove that I keep doing that.

[Kaggeceria]

You said slavery is allowed in Islam. Now you are presenting a "source" that says it is not.

Why is "source" in quotes?

Because slavery is permitted in Islam (you yourself have said this), so that website is unreliable. I don't consider it a source.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Why is "source" in quotes?

Because slavery is permitted in Islam (you yourself have said this), so that website is unreliable. I don't consider it a source.

I was more focusing on the "sex with slaves" thing. But true, I shoulda just used the video. I'll take the other link out.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Ok, link's out now.

[Tarsonis]

Islam claims the Quran is direct dictation from God. CorrectChristianity doesn’t make the same claim about the Bible.

Oh, I’m sorry. “Divinely inspired” Translation: God’s Word.

Inspiration is different than a direct dictation however. Theological authority ultimately rests in the Church.


This isn’t the thread for this conversation

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Views I consider worthy of ostracization:

- Being a Nazi
- Being a flat earther
- Being a young earth creationist
- Supporting an "ethnostate" (which means you support mass murder)
- Supporting conversion therapy being done to LGBTQ minors
- Incel and redpill ideology
- Supporting theocracy

A lot of this would include Islam.

Literally only the last thing would fit into Al-Islam.

[The Grims]

Sure they are. They just also demand rent and that the slave buys everything exclusively from them - and those costs will be higher than their wages. Which means that their kids will also be slaves in ever increasing debt.

That's not how Islamic slavery works.

True, this is the Asian model. Designed so people can say "they get paid, it is not slavery!" and not feel bad when they buy clothes/electronics/etc.

Ignoring that they only get paid on paper, not in reality.

[The Grims]

And as we see, the modest clothing has definitely not been put into practice. How’s that workin’ out for ya?

Yeah, many things have been dropped in the Ummah. It's pretty sad.

If humans are so flawed they consistently show themselves to be unable to adhere to "true" Islam, and if such partial adherence tends to worsen instead of improve conditions and if that has bern holding true for 1500 years... does that not make Islam a failure or at least useless in practice ?