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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:14 pm

Jolthig wrote:
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Kubumba was in the RWDT yesterday and was supporting wife beating and cutting off peoples body parts and other such garbage but tried to deny it here, Kram is understandably bothered by that.

Forgive me for my ignorance, but what is "RWDT"?


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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:14 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kubumba was in the RWDT yesterday and was supporting wife beating and cutting off peoples body parts and other such garbage but tried to deny it here, Kram is understandably bothered by that.

Forgive me for my ignorance, but what is "RWDT"?

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Postby Jolthig » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:16 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Forgive me for my ignorance, but what is "RWDT"?


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Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Forgive me for my ignorance, but what is "RWDT"?

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Postby Jolthig » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:32 pm

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The Vine and Fig Tree wrote:That's an extremely narrow definition. Some American Christians want to blur the lines of Church and State, even if they don't want to rewrite the constitution specifically.

Some do. But they, at least, don't advocate for the removal of hands as a punishment.

Christianity has evolved. Islam has not.

Dude, I know I'm late, but you literally contradicted your self last night. You said that American Christians aren't willing to alter the Constitution and then when corrected, you say, "Some do."

As much as you criticize Kutumba Tribe for bad arguments, you are just as bad at your arguments. And theyre only emotional and devoid of any logic.

I won't bother answering all these allegations against Islam by you, knowing your political ideology. If you want answers from me, you can go on my Factbook and look for "Allegations against Islam, Muhammad (saw), etc. Refuted".

The only time I'll be willing to argue, is if you are seeking to mislead someone who has a serious question on Islam. Other than that, I rest my case. Peace.
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:11 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kubumba was in the RWDT yesterday and was supporting wife beating and cutting off peoples body parts and other such garbage but tried to deny it here, Kram is understandably bothered by that.

I didn't deny anything, and I don't support wife beating.

Technically true; you've more been trying to dance around the issue and stand in confusion when people find your support for such abhorrent.
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Kramanica
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Postby Kramanica » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:13 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:I didn't deny anything, and I don't support wife beating.

Technically true; you've more been trying to dance around the issue and stand in confusion when people find your support for such abhorrent.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:16 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:I didn't deny anything, and I don't support wife beating.

Technically true; you've more been trying to dance around the issue and stand in confusion when people find your support for such abhorrent.

What are you talking about?
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:17 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Technically true; you've more been trying to dance around the issue and stand in confusion when people find your support for such abhorrent.

What are you talking about?

Here we go again.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:18 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What are you talking about?

Here we go again.

So you're not gonna help?
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:19 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Here we go again.

So you're not gonna help?

Going around in circles isn't any fun after it's already been done.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:22 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:So you're not gonna help?

Going around in circles isn't any fun after it's already been done.

Then I don't know what I'm doing wrong, if I'm even doing anything wrong.
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Postby Kramanica » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:24 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Going around in circles isn't any fun after it's already been done.

Then I don't know what I'm doing wrong, if I'm even doing anything wrong.

"Cutting off hands and wife-beating is perfectly acceptable."

"That's horrible! How could you support something like that?"

"What do you mean? I never supported that."
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:24 pm

Kramanica wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Then I don't know what I'm doing wrong, if I'm even doing anything wrong.

"Cutting off hands and wife-beating is perfectly acceptable."

"That's horrible! How could you support something like that?"

"What do you mean? I never supported that."

Correct, I never supported wife beating.
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:25 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Going around in circles isn't any fun after it's already been done.

Then I don't know what I'm doing wrong, if I'm even doing anything wrong.

If you didn't pick it up the first few times it was explained, I don't think you ever will.
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Postby Kramanica » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:26 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Kramanica wrote:"Cutting off hands and wife-beating is perfectly acceptable."

"That's horrible! How could you support something like that?"

"What do you mean? I never supported that."

Correct, I never supported wife beating.

You literally do though. You even tried to justify it by stating that you shouldn't leave bruises.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:28 pm

Kramanica wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Correct, I never supported wife beating.

You literally do though. You even tried to justify it by stating that you shouldn't leave bruises.

Nor should you cause pain. Which at this point, without bruises nor pain, it's not beating.
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Postby Kramanica » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:30 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Kramanica wrote:You literally do though. You even tried to justify it by stating that you shouldn't leave bruises.

Nor should you cause pain. Which at this point, without bruises nor pain, it's not beating.

Even the fucking quote you provided didn't state that. It just said you shouldn't leave bruises.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:31 pm

Kramanica wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Nor should you cause pain. Which at this point, without bruises nor pain, it's not beating.

Even the quote you provided didn't state that. It just said you shouldn't leave bruises.

Nor should you cause pain.
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Postby Kramanica » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:32 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Even the quote you provided didn't state that. It just said you shouldn't leave bruises.

Nor should you cause pain.

According to what?
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:32 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Even the quote you provided didn't state that. It just said you shouldn't leave bruises.

Nor should you cause pain.

Says who?
Also, none of this makes it "not beating", just "beating with a code of conduct".
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:38 pm

Kramanica wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Nor should you cause pain.

According to what?

Sunnah and scholars
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:39 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Nor should you cause pain.

Says who?
Also, none of this makes it "not beating", just "beating with a code of conduct".

Explain to me how no pain nor marks = beating.
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:39 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Says who?
Also, none of this makes it "not beating", just "beating with a code of conduct".

Explain to me how no pain nor marks = beating.

Are you striking her?
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Postby Kramanica » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:40 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Kramanica wrote:According to what?

Sunnah and scholars

Not even the source you provided states that so you're just lying. Again.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:44 pm

Kramanica wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Sunnah and scholars

Not even the source you provided states that so you're just lying. Again.

No I'm not. Never have in this argument.
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