The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Uh... pain medications?

1: you know what I mean by "intoxicants"
2: pain meds are intoxicants?

1. No, I don't, actually, because we were discussing the potential pain relieving properties of marijuana.
2. Yes. An intoxicant is defined as anything that causes you to lose control of your faculties and behavior. You ever tried to play say baseball while on nitrous oxide or study physics while on morphine?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I don't always do that. And I don't know any time someone would need an intoxicant. Unless you have to stitch a gash wound while in the middle of nowhere, ok. But idk for any other time.

I mean, as much as I dislike marijuana, it has its medical uses....

I highly doubt that. Also, there are less intoxicating medications that can do just as well or better.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

1: you know what I mean by "intoxicants"
2: pain meds are intoxicants?

1. No, I don't, actually, because we were discussing the potential pain relieving properties of marijuana.
2. Yes. An intoxicant is defined as anything that causes you to lose control of your faculties and behavior. You ever tried to play say baseball while on nitrous oxide or study physics while on morphine?

1: oh ok. I thought that convo was done.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I mean, as much as I dislike marijuana, it has its medical uses....

I highly doubt that. Also, there are less intoxicating medications that can do just as well or better.

You know, we might actually be able to answer this question better if the government would fuck off and allow people to test its medical benefits or adverse effects.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I'm surprised no one has made a Hashashin joke towards me yet. Y'all have failed me.

[Frievolk]

I'm surprised no one has made a Hashashin joke towards me yet. Y'all have failed me.

I think I made one at some point. Then again, I know better than to take the Hashish away from a Mountain Jumper.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I'm surprised no one has made a Hashashin joke towards me yet. Y'all have failed me.

I think I made one at some point. Then again, I know better than to take the Hashish away from a Mountain Jumper.

Lmfao I hate you sometimes, Pilar. That actually made me laugh out loud.

[Jolthig]

Uh... pain medications?

1: you know what I mean by "intoxicants"
2: pain meds are intoxicants?

Yeah, opioids can be an example.

[Azadistan-land of the free]

1: you know what I mean by "intoxicants"
2: pain meds are intoxicants?

Yeah, opioids can be an example.

However it is often considered permissable if to save ones life. Maybe selling to others is similarly permissable to save one from starvation(like the Afghanis do)

[Jolthig]

Yeah, opioids can be an example.

However it is often considered permissable if to save ones life. Maybe selling to others is similarly permissable to save one from starvation(like the Afghanis do)

Correct

[A m e n r i a]

I wholeheartedly agree with you. I'm Muslim, but I love and embrace my own culture and (try to do so with) Chinese culture, much more than Arabian culture. Middle Eastern culture comees off as kinda cringy to me outside of religious context. :/

Tfw someone calls your culture "kinda cringy"

I cry. You make me cry.

Sorry, mate. Maybe I meant to say Indonesian attitude towards your culture. You know, using Arabic terms for something that can easily be said in Indonesian, telling (almost forcing) every woman one knows to wear a hijab, and other cringy stuff Indonesian Arab wannabees do. Didn't mean to offend you, honest. Still, I prefer Indonesian and Chinese culture.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Tfw someone calls your culture "kinda cringy"

I cry. You make me cry.

Sorry, mate. Maybe I meant to say Indonesian attitude towards your culture. You know, using Arabic terms for something that can easily be said in Indonesian, telling (almost forcing) every woman one knows to wear a hijab, and other cringy stuff Indonesian Arab wannabees do. Didn't mean to offend you, honest. Still, I prefer Indonesian and Chinese culture.

Ain't nothing wrong with using Arabic phrases akhi
Also, Muslim women are supposed to wear hijab, so there's nothing wrong with telling a sister to do so, a Muslim is supposed to correct another. Forcing, on the other hand....
Also, imo, it would be Indonesians (and Malaysians) telling other Muslims what to do. I think that Southeast Asian Muslims are one of the best groups of Muslims in our Ummah.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Tfw someone calls your culture "kinda cringy"

I cry. You make me cry.

Sorry, mate. Maybe I meant to say Indonesian attitude towards your culture. You know, using Arabic terms for something that can easily be said in Indonesian, telling (almost forcing) every woman one knows to wear a hijab, and other cringy stuff Indonesian Arab wannabees do. Didn't mean to offend you, honest. Still, I prefer Indonesian and Chinese culture.

I was kidding. But I agree with you for a lot of that. Especially the hijab. Kudos.

[Azadistan-land of the free]

Tfw someone calls your culture "kinda cringy"

I cry. You make me cry.

Sorry, mate. Maybe I meant to say Indonesian attitude towards your culture. You know, using Arabic terms for something that can easily be said in Indonesian, telling (almost forcing) every woman one knows to wear a hijab, and other cringy stuff Indonesian Arab wannabees do. Didn't mean to offend you, honest. Still, I prefer Indonesian and Chinese culture.

I agree trying to be Arab makes no sense but hijabs are in the Sunnah as obligatory for Muslim women in my opinion.
Also "almost forcing" how?

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Sorry, mate. Maybe I meant to say Indonesian attitude towards your culture. You know, using Arabic terms for something that can easily be said in Indonesian, telling (almost forcing) every woman one knows to wear a hijab, and other cringy stuff Indonesian Arab wannabees do. Didn't mean to offend you, honest. Still, I prefer Indonesian and Chinese culture.

I agree trying to be Arab makes no sense but hijabs are in the Sunnah as obligatory for Muslim women in my opinion.
Also "almost forcing" how?

Erm. How about laws saying that women have to wear them and they are in violation of the law if they don't? In Aceh, that is.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Sorry, mate. Maybe I meant to say Indonesian attitude towards your culture. You know, using Arabic terms for something that can easily be said in Indonesian, telling (almost forcing) every woman one knows to wear a hijab, and other cringy stuff Indonesian Arab wannabees do. Didn't mean to offend you, honest. Still, I prefer Indonesian and Chinese culture.

I agree trying to be Arab makes no sense but hijabs are in the Sunnah as obligatory for Muslim women in my opinion.
Also "almost forcing" how?

Dunno why Islam just decides that headgear designed to protect against sand is mandatory.

[Frievolk]

I agree trying to be Arab makes no sense but hijabs are in the Sunnah as obligatory for Muslim women in my opinion.
Also "almost forcing" how?

Dunno why Islam just decides that headgear designed to protect against sand is mandatory.

While I am no longer a Muslim, the topic of Hijab is an interesting one, and I feel like I need to mention a few points.
1- There is no Ijma on whether Hijab is Waajib or not. Not between Shia and Sunni, not even among the people of each of these factions. There are people like Ruhullah Khomeini who believe it is mandatory for everyone, including the Dhimmi. Some, like Taleqani, believe that not only is it not mandatory for the Dhimmi, it isn't mandatory for the Muslims either, merely Mustahabb.

2- Even among Muslim States of the modern age, Iran is the only one (that I know of) that has a mandatory Hijab. That's due to Khomeini's retarded policies and the fact he just wanted to oppress people, not necessarily Islam in and of itself.

[A m e n r i a]

Sorry, mate. Maybe I meant to say Indonesian attitude towards your culture. You know, using Arabic terms for something that can easily be said in Indonesian, telling (almost forcing) every woman one knows to wear a hijab, and other cringy stuff Indonesian Arab wannabees do. Didn't mean to offend you, honest. Still, I prefer Indonesian and Chinese culture.

I agree trying to be Arab makes no sense but hijabs are in the Sunnah as obligatory for Muslim women in my opinion.
Also "almost forcing" how?

Passive-agressive attitude towards those not wearing it, spamming social media with threats, those kind of things.

Sorry, mate. Maybe I meant to say Indonesian attitude towards your culture. You know, using Arabic terms for something that can easily be said in Indonesian, telling (almost forcing) every woman one knows to wear a hijab, and other cringy stuff Indonesian Arab wannabees do. Didn't mean to offend you, honest. Still, I prefer Indonesian and Chinese culture.

Ain't nothing wrong with using Arabic phrases akhi
Also, Muslim women are supposed to wear hijab, so there's nothing wrong with telling a sister to do so, a Muslim is supposed to correct another. Forcing, on the other hand....
Also, imo, it would be Indonesians (and Malaysians) telling other Muslims what to do. I think that Southeast Asian Muslims are one of the best groups of Muslims in our Ummah.

Aww thanks. But the guys I'm talking about are super judgemental, praise Arabs too much, and try too hard to be like one.

[Racist Commonwelath of East Virginia]

Islam is an important faith for millions of people across the world but it’s clear to everyone that there are some serious problems. What will Islam look like in 20 or 30 years time? Islamic religious prescriptions, such as the prohibition of extramarital sex or consumption of alcohol and 5 times daily prayer, are becoming increasingly less relevant. There is no way that Muslims pray 5 times a day with rapid 8 hour weekly work shifts. I don’t think any of the Muslims I know even prey at all. Of course there is the political issue of whether secularism and democracy is comparisons with Islamic theology, which is mostly law not really theology at all; Indonesia and Turkey are good examples of co-existence. Even in those countries Islam has become less and less relevant to the lives of young people. Funnily enough, some of the most irreligious societies on earth (Albania and Azerbaijan I’m looking at you) are majority Muslim and have a strong secular tradition. I personally think that Islam will end up like catholics, with most Muslims becoming irreligious, anti-religious or ‘lapsed’ with some sticking true to the core tennants of the faith. Islam looks like it is going to collapse like Catholicism.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Same as every religion
Eventually the moderates will be the majority

[Bakery Hill]

Albania and Azerbaijan were forcibly secularised by Marxist-Leninists. They're not symptomatic of a general trend within the whole of Islam.

[Jraden]

The future of Islam is to be constantly harassed by edgy teens online.

[Distributist Republics]

Islam looks like it is going to collapse like Catholicism.

TIL Catholicism collapsed.

[The Transhuman Union]

Islam looks like it is going to collapse like Catholicism.

Since when Catholicism ''collapsed''? Or you mean it lost its traditional values?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Islam is an important faith for millions of people across the world but it’s clear to everyone that there are some serious problems. What will Islam look like in 20 or 30 years time? Islamic religious prescriptions, such as the prohibition of extramarital sex or consumption of alcohol and 5 times daily prayer, are becoming increasingly less relevant. There is no way that Muslims pray 5 times a day with rapid 8 hour weekly work shifts. I don’t think any of the Muslims I know even prey at all. Of course there is the political issue of whether secularism and democracy is comparisons with Islamic theology, which is mostly law not really theology at all; Indonesia and Turkey are good examples of co-existence. Even in those countries Islam has become less and less relevant to the lives of young people. Funnily enough, some of the most irreligious societies on earth (Albania and Azerbaijan I’m looking at you) are majority Muslim and have a strong secular tradition. I personally think that Islam will end up like catholics, with most Muslims becoming irreligious, anti-religious or ‘lapsed’ with some sticking true to the core tennants of the faith. Islam looks like it is going to collapse like Catholicism.

I think you're really underestimating the religiosity of the Islamic world. Such a massive shift certainly isn't coming in the next 20-30 years.