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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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Postby Azadistan-land of the free » Wed May 30, 2018 4:27 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Negarakita wrote:Am white can confirm

Don't take it to your heart :hug:

And by the 'vast majority'.....where do you get the information from? Or are you just taking conclusions?

Thanks bro I am half White myself
Although in America most whites are anti-Islam

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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 4:28 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Negarakita wrote:Am white can confirm

Don't take it to your heart :hug:

And by the 'vast majority'.....where do you get the information from? Or are you just taking conclusions?


Ask those who voted for Brexit and Trump.
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Postby Jackania yugo » Wed May 30, 2018 4:32 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Don't take it to your heart :hug:

And by the 'vast majority'.....where do you get the information from? Or are you just taking conclusions?


Ask those who voted for Brexit and Trump.


So, you're against Europe...I don't like you...I'm European...
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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 4:34 am

Jackania yugo wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
Ask those who voted for Brexit and Trump.


So, you're against Europe...I don't like you...


I don't care.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed May 30, 2018 4:34 am

Azadistan-land of the free wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Don't take it to your heart :hug:

And by the 'vast majority'.....where do you get the information from? Or are you just taking conclusions?

Thanks bro I am half White myself
Although in America most whites are anti-Islam

No prob. Many Muslims in the West are probably getting a hard time with 'terrorist' accusations and Islamophobia (some say that this term is questionable, but I can't find another term that's close enough). Cheers! :hug:

United States of Oceania wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Don't take it to your heart :hug:

And by the 'vast majority'.....where do you get the information from? Or are you just taking conclusions?


Ask those who voted for Brexit and Trump.

You must be know that 'whites' don't exist in those two countries only, right?

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Postby Negarakita » Wed May 30, 2018 4:35 am

Jackania yugo wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
Ask those who voted for Brexit and Trump.


So, you're against Europe...I don't like you...I'm European...

How does a disdain for a group who voted for right wing populism get taken as a personal attack on an entire continent? And why would that make you dislike someone. I don't hate people who hate Oceania.
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Postby Jackania yugo » Wed May 30, 2018 4:36 am

Negarakita wrote:
Jackania yugo wrote:
So, you're against Europe...I don't like you...I'm European...

How does a disdain for a group who voted for right wing populism get taken as a personal attack on an entire continent? And why would that make you dislike someone. I don't hate people who hate Oceania.


No, his for and againsts in his sig.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 4:43 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:You must be know that 'whites' don't exist in those two countries only, right?


Show me a Western country where islamophobes are not gaining popularity day by day.
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Postby Jackania yugo » Wed May 30, 2018 4:47 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:You must be know that 'whites' don't exist in those two countries only, right?


Show me a Western country where islamophobes are not gaining popularity day by day.


Show us one Islamic middle eastern nation which hasn't fallen into total chaos or isn't a totalitarian nightmare.
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Postby Azadistan-land of the free » Wed May 30, 2018 4:48 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:You must be know that 'whites' don't exist in those two countries only, right?


Show me a Western country where islamophobes are not gaining popularity day by day.

Jeremy Corbyn opposes islamaphobia in the UK,love a Muslim day was trending(it WA created in reaction to punish a Muslim day) and even Theresa May said the Finsbury Park attack is no different to any other attack and praised the imam for protecting everyone even the attacker.

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Postby Aulus Maximus » Wed May 30, 2018 4:48 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Aulus Maximus wrote:Technically speaking Ibadis are Khawarij.


I know, but today the term is used by followers of Pentagon-Muftis in order to insult everyone who is not a Sufi/Shia/Modernist/Lackey/Nation-worshiper

So you're not a Khawarij then, seeing you're in for black nationalism.

Let me get something straight right now. I am white, I am European, I am Muslim. I have no, but then literally 0, tolerance to anyone who is against a specific race for the sake of being another race AND calling him/herself a Muslim. Anyone who is Muslim is Muslim and we're equal other than our piety.

If you hate some white people because they are against Islam. Fine, I agree with you. But this should be a specific group of people from a skin color. Not the group of people with a certain skin color as a whole.

Islam has no place for nationalism, be it cultural, racial or ethnic nationalism.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 4:51 am

Aulus Maximus wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
I know, but today the term is used by followers of Pentagon-Muftis in order to insult everyone who is not a Sufi/Shia/Modernist/Lackey/Nation-worshiper

So you're not a Khawarij then, seeing you're in for black nationalism.

Let me get something straight right now. I am white, I am European, I am Muslim. I have no, but then literally 0, tolerance to anyone who is against a specific race for the sake of being another race AND calling him/herself a Muslim. Anyone who is Muslim is Muslim and we're equal other than our piety.

If you hate some white people because they are against Islam. Fine, I agree with you. But this should be a specific group of people from a skin color. Not the group of people with a certain skin color as a whole.

Islam has no place for nationalism, be it cultural, racial or ethnic nationalism.


Islam has no place for Anarchism/Leftism either.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 4:52 am

Azadistan-land of the free wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
Show me a Western country where islamophobes are not gaining popularity day by day.

Jeremy Corbyn opposes islamaphobia in the UK,love a Muslim day was trending(it WA created in reaction to punish a Muslim day) and even Theresa May said the Finsbury Park attack is no different to any other attack and praised the imam for protecting everyone even the attacker.


Jeremy Corbyn supports the genocide of Muslims in Syria, Theresa May bombs Muslims on a daily basis in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you trust politicians you are very gullible.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed May 30, 2018 4:53 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:You must be know that 'whites' don't exist in those two countries only, right?


Show me a Western country where islamophobes are not gaining popularity day by day.

To be fair, Islamophobes are gaining popularity in many countries, be it a Western country or not. And embrace it, because those can be partially explained thanks to the mass media, and terrorism under the name of Islam. For example, in my own country where Muslims are the majority, females with burqa, chaddor, and other 'considered Arab clothing' are viewed with suspicions. So don't blame them, because the rise of Islamophobia is partially caused by some who identify themselves as Muslims just like us.

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Postby Pilarcraft » Wed May 30, 2018 4:55 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
Show me a Western country where islamophobes are not gaining popularity day by day.

To be fair, Islamophobes are gaining popularity in many countries, be it a Western country or not. And embrace it, because those can be partially explained thanks to the mass media, and terrorism under the name of Islam. For example, in my own country where Muslims are the majority, females with burqa, chaddor, and other 'considered Arab clothing' are viewed with suspicions. So don't blame them, because the rise of Islamophobia is partially caused by some who identify themselves as Muslims just like us.
Islam is the only reason why Islamohpobia is rising, thank you very much. Oh I'm sorry, I meant "not real Islam".
(Surprisingly, An Islamo-centric Government is all the people of most countries need to radicalize into anti-Islamic nationalists. See: Current state of Iranians in Iran. Egyptians in Egypt, Kurds in Syria, etc.)
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Postby Azadistan-land of the free » Wed May 30, 2018 4:55 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Azadistan-land of the free wrote:Jeremy Corbyn opposes islamaphobia in the UK,love a Muslim day was trending(it WA created in reaction to punish a Muslim day) and even Theresa May said the Finsbury Park attack is no different to any other attack and praised the imam for protecting everyone even the attacker.


Jeremy Corbyn supports the genocide of Muslims in Syria, Theresa May bombs Muslims on a daily basis in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you trust politicians you are very gullible.

I don't trust Theresa May but the fact she has to say that represents a popular mood against islamaphobia.
Also Jeremy Corbyn is against intervention in Syria last time i checked(and this position costed him so why would he pretend to have it?)

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Postby Jackania yugo » Wed May 30, 2018 4:56 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Azadistan-land of the free wrote:Jeremy Corbyn opposes islamaphobia in the UK,love a Muslim day was trending(it WA created in reaction to punish a Muslim day) and even Theresa May said the Finsbury Park attack is no different to any other attack and praised the imam for protecting everyone even the attacker.


Jeremy Corbyn supports the genocide of Muslims in Syria, Theresa May bombs Muslims on a daily basis in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you trust politicians you are very gullible.


Do you hate white people? If so you are no better then those terrorists that take after bin laden.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 4:57 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
Show me a Western country where islamophobes are not gaining popularity day by day.

To be fair, Islamophobes are gaining popularity in many countries, be it a Western country or not. And embrace it, because those can be partially explained thanks to the mass media, and terrorism under the name of Islam. For example, in my own country where Muslims are the majority, females with burqa, chaddor, and other 'considered Arab clothing' are viewed with suspicions. So don't blame them, because the rise of Islamophobia is partially caused by some who identify themselves as Muslims just like us.


Your self-loathing and inferiority complex are simply disgusting. If the Prophet had your way of thinking, Muslims would have never won the Battle of Badr.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with burqa, in fact it's the best type of hijab.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed May 30, 2018 5:00 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:To be fair, Islamophobes are gaining popularity in many countries, be it a Western country or not. And embrace it, because those can be partially explained thanks to the mass media, and terrorism under the name of Islam. For example, in my own country where Muslims are the majority, females with burqa, chaddor, and other 'considered Arab clothing' are viewed with suspicions. So don't blame them, because the rise of Islamophobia is partially caused by some who identify themselves as Muslims just like us.
Islam is the only reason why Islamohpobia is rising, thank you very much. Oh I'm sorry, I meant "not real Islam".
(Surprisingly, An Islamo-centric Government is all the people of most countries need to radicalize into anti-Islamic nationalists. See: Current state of Iranians in Iran. Egyptians in Egypt, Kurds in Syria, etc.)


Not really surprising, because people tend to be against the things forced into them.
And thanks for the sarcasm? :)

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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 5:00 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:To be fair, Islamophobes are gaining popularity in many countries, be it a Western country or not. And embrace it, because those can be partially explained thanks to the mass media, and terrorism under the name of Islam. For example, in my own country where Muslims are the majority, females with burqa, chaddor, and other 'considered Arab clothing' are viewed with suspicions. So don't blame them, because the rise of Islamophobia is partially caused by some who identify themselves as Muslims just like us.
Islam is the only reason why Islamohpobia is rising, thank you very much. Oh I'm sorry, I meant "not real Islam".
(Surprisingly, An Islamo-centric Government is all the people of most countries need to radicalize into anti-Islamic nationalists. See: Current state of Iranians in Iran. Egyptians in Egypt, Kurds in Syria, etc.)


Wrong examples. Iran is a communist/stalinist country, not Muslim. Egyptians support the Muslim Brotherhood, the US organized Al-Sisi coup against the legitimate government of Morsi. What do you mean by "Kurd in Syria"? Not all Kurds are PKK terrorists.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Wed May 30, 2018 5:03 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:Islam is the only reason why Islamohpobia is rising, thank you very much. Oh I'm sorry, I meant "not real Islam".
(Surprisingly, An Islamo-centric Government is all the people of most countries need to radicalize into anti-Islamic nationalists. See: Current state of Iranians in Iran. Egyptians in Egypt, Kurds in Syria, etc.)


Wrong examples. Iran is a communist/stalinist country, not Muslim. Egyptians support the Muslim Brotherhood, the US organized Al-Sisi coup against the legitimate government of Morsi. What do you mean by "Kurd in Syria"? Not all Kurds are PKK terrorists.

1- Iran is in no way a communist/stalinist country. The Law is literally based on Sharia completely and totally. I would know, I studied law in the same country, and I am at least ten times more aware of Islamic Fiqh than you are, due to Academic education of it alone. But let's not get into that. The only people who claim Iran to be stalinist/communist are the nationalist neocons who want to change the regime right now.

2- I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that the whole Arab Spring was a coup by the US. you learn something new every day.

3- Most of them prefer to live in the YPG controlled areas rather than in the Assadist (or other Islamic controlled territories) though, that's enough for them to not be pro-Islamic.
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Postby Jackania yugo » Wed May 30, 2018 5:04 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:To be fair, Islamophobes are gaining popularity in many countries, be it a Western country or not. And embrace it, because those can be partially explained thanks to the mass media, and terrorism under the name of Islam. For example, in my own country where Muslims are the majority, females with burqa, chaddor, and other 'considered Arab clothing' are viewed with suspicions. So don't blame them, because the rise of Islamophobia is partially caused by some who identify themselves as Muslims just like us.


Your self-loathing and inferiority complex are simply disgusting. If the Prophet had your way of thinking, Muslims would have never won the Battle of Badr.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with burqa, in fact it's the best type of hijab.


You come across as the picture the alt-right and populists try and paint of Islam. You are bigoted, racist, anti-western, homophobic and ultranationalist, not to mention really sexist. If "progressives" (I prefer calling them regressives) really like Muslims like you they should be ashamed of themselves. The middle east can burn before a secular, pro-science, democratic phoenix can rise from it's ashes.

You disgust me, good day sir, and may what ever sky wizard that actully does exsist have no mercy on your central nervous system, or any other organ system for that matter. You are the definition of an extreme Muslim.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed May 30, 2018 5:05 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:To be fair, Islamophobes are gaining popularity in many countries, be it a Western country or not. And embrace it, because those can be partially explained thanks to the mass media, and terrorism under the name of Islam. For example, in my own country where Muslims are the majority, females with burqa, chaddor, and other 'considered Arab clothing' are viewed with suspicions. So don't blame them, because the rise of Islamophobia is partially caused by some who identify themselves as Muslims just like us.


Your self-loathing and inferiority complex are simply disgusting. If the Prophet had your way of thinking, Muslims would have never won the Battle of Badr.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with burqa, in fact it's the best type of hijab.


I guess you take it the wrong way. What I mean is, we have to do the introspection to ourselves, don't just hating people because of their action, but try to understand it, at least the reasons why.

Indeed, burqa is not wrong, if it's the wearer's decision. I just tell you the fact that it's what currently happens in my country.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 5:06 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
Wrong examples. Iran is a communist/stalinist country, not Muslim. Egyptians support the Muslim Brotherhood, the US organized Al-Sisi coup against the legitimate government of Morsi. What do you mean by "Kurd in Syria"? Not all Kurds are PKK terrorists.

1- Iran is in no way a communist/stalinist country. The Law is literally based on Sharia completely and totally.


Wrong. There is no such thingh as a "Republic" in Islam. And Iran is allied with neo-stalinist Putin, communist Venezuela and communist North Korea. So yeah wrong example.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 5:07 am

Jackania yugo wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
Your self-loathing and inferiority complex are simply disgusting. If the Prophet had your way of thinking, Muslims would have never won the Battle of Badr.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with burqa, in fact it's the best type of hijab.


You are bigoted, racist, anti-western, homophobic and ultranationalist, not to mention really sexist.


But I also have flaws
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