The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[United States of Oceania]

You gotta come back

Last time I tried that Britain split me in half

"We will have our vengeance, in this life or the next."

[United States of Oceania]

Iran is never big enough.

This phrase is pure Fascism. I'm appalled.

Also, there are Iranian Arabs. You do realize that, right? We even got invaded to "free" them and then they ended up supporting Iran over Saddam.

There are also Israeli Arabs, but that doesn't mean they are happy to be called Israeli. And most Ahwazis actually love Saddam and hate the Mullahs.

Edit: You still haven't told me how I was being racist.

Claiming the entire Middle East as yours doesn't exactly sound like peaceful coexistence to me.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Iran is never big enough.

This phrase is pure Fascism. I'm appalled.

Also, there are Iranian Arabs. You do realize that, right? We even got invaded to "free" them and then they ended up supporting Iran over Saddam.

There are also Israeli Arabs, but that doesn't mean they are happy to be called Israeli. And most Ahwazis actually love Saddam and hate the Mullahs.

Edit: You still haven't told me how I was being racist.

Claiming the entire Middle East doesn't exactly sound like peaceful coexistence to me.

Bruh. Your sig literally says several forms of nationalism and pan-Islamism. Fuckin munafiq.

That is not backed up by history. The Arabs did not aid the invaders and largely supported us instead.

How does that make me racist? Nationalist, yeah. Racist? Nah.

[Pilarcraft]

It's funny because, well, for all their faults, Reza Shah was responsible for modernizing Iran in every sense of the word (during the Qajarid Period, we literally didn't have a standing army, any form of social security, almost no legislature (until the last few years, at least) and the country was basically a feudalist shithole). And Muhammad Reza, at least at the beginning, was trying his best to bring democracy to Iran, and even afterwards, as he started getting more and more absolutist (until he essentially illegalized all other parties with The Rastakhiz) he still improved civil and personal freedoms considerably.

And Reza II (The current head of the dynasty) is a pretty cool guy, though he doesn't even sound like a monarchist most of the time

It's more of a personal thing. I can't bring myself to at all like the man who ran the SAVAK. Especially not the SAVAK that killed all of my father's brothers and tried to kill my father.

1- Qajar. I personally hate Qajars, due to their ineptness.
2- Yeah. Mohammad Reza kinda went nuts in the last decade of his reign (or, in another argument, pretty much after the events in 1342)

[Pilarcraft]

Friendly Reminder that Persian People (Kurds, Balouchs, Azaris, etc. etc.) have been in both The Middle East and the Iranian plateau than the Turks (*cough* Mix of Arabs and Mongols) and The Arabs have been. All that said, I kinda despise Pan-Iranism more than I hate Pan-Arabism and Pan-Islamism

[United States of Oceania]

Friendly Reminder that Persian People (Kurds, Balouchs, Azaris, etc. etc.) have been in both The Middle East and the Iranian plateau than the Turks (*cough* Mix of Arabs and Mongols) and The Arabs have been. All that said, I kinda despise Pan-Iranism more than I hate Pan-Arabism and Pan-Islamism

Azeris are not Persians.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

It's more of a personal thing. I can't bring myself to at all like the man who ran the SAVAK. Especially not the SAVAK that killed all of my father's brothers and tried to kill my father.

1- Qajar. I personally hate Qajars, due to their ineptness.
2- Yeah. Mohammad Reza kinda went nuts in the last decade of his reign (or, in another argument, pretty much after the events in 1342)

1. Yeah. They're not really my favorite dynasty either. Lost the bloody Caucasus. And their founder was the like blinded all of Kerman, right?

2. Hehe. 1342. I knew Muhammad Reza was a monster but I didn't know that he was an immortal vampire XD

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Friendly Reminder that Persian People (Kurds, Balouchs, Azaris, etc. etc.) have been in both The Middle East and the Iranian plateau than the Turks (*cough* Mix of Arabs and Mongols) and The Arabs have been. All that said, I kinda despise Pan-Iranism more than I hate Pan-Arabism and Pan-Islamism

Hissss

Traitor.

[Pilarcraft]

1- Qajar. I personally hate Qajars, due to their ineptness.
2- Yeah. Mohammad Reza kinda went nuts in the last decade of his reign (or, in another argument, pretty much after the events in 1342)

1. Yeah. They're not really my favorite dynasty either. Lost the bloody Caucasus. And their founder was the like blinded all of Kerman, right?

2. Hehe. 1342. I knew Muhammad Reza was a monster but I didn't know that he was an immortal vampire XD

1342 in Shamsi, UIC, not in Gregorian

[Pilarcraft]

Friendly Reminder that Persian People (Kurds, Balouchs, Azaris, etc. etc.) have been in both The Middle East and the Iranian plateau than the Turks (*cough* Mix of Arabs and Mongols) and The Arabs have been. All that said, I kinda despise Pan-Iranism more than I hate Pan-Arabism and Pan-Islamism

Azeris are not Persians.

Yeah, I accidentally put them instead of Lurs and Gilaks, my bad.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

1. Yeah. They're not really my favorite dynasty either. Lost the bloody Caucasus. And their founder was the like blinded all of Kerman, right?

2. Hehe. 1342. I knew Muhammad Reza was a monster but I didn't know that he was an immortal vampire XD

1342 in Shamsi, UIC, not in Gregorian

HA Shut up. I'm tired and it's been a while. I wouldn't put it past you to get 1942 and 1342 mixed up, though XD

[Pilarcraft]

Friendly Reminder that Persian People (Kurds, Balouchs, Azaris, etc. etc.) have been in both The Middle East and the Iranian plateau than the Turks (*cough* Mix of Arabs and Mongols) and The Arabs have been. All that said, I kinda despise Pan-Iranism more than I hate Pan-Arabism and Pan-Islamism

Hissss

Traitor.

Honestly, the sooner we fix Iran and throw out the Mullahs, the quicker we can fix the shithole they've turned Iran into. We don't need the problems of most of Middle East and the Plateau on our hands on top of that :/

In all seriousness though, we should take this into the Middle East thread before this becomes ever a bigger Threadjack.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Hissss

Traitor.

Honestly, the sooner we fix Iran and throw out the Mullahs, the quicker we can fix the shithole they've turned Iran into. We don't need the problems of most of Middle East and the Plateau on our hands on top of that :/

Of course. I'm definitely not looking for it anytime soon. But a few decades down the line? Ooooooh, ey Iran!

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Again. Where was I being racist?

Fun fact: Mesopotamia is not Iranian territory, they don't speak Farsi and they are Arabs, not Persians. Why do you always want to claim other people's countries? Isn't Iran big enough?

Sassanid Empire best empire.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

In all seriousness though, we should take this into the Middle East thread before this becomes ever a bigger Threadjack.

You're gonna have to link me again. I haven't posted in it with this nation yet XD

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Fun fact: Mesopotamia is not Iranian territory, they don't speak Farsi and they are Arabs, not Persians. Why do you always want to claim other people's countries? Isn't Iran big enough?

Sassanid Empire best empire.

<3

[Pilarcraft]

Fun fact: Mesopotamia is not Iranian territory, they don't speak Farsi and they are Arabs, not Persians. Why do you always want to claim other people's countries? Isn't Iran big enough?

Sassanid Empire best empire.

Boo. Zoroastrian Theocracy is no better than Islamic Theocracy. I personally prefer The Achaemenids (at least, until before Ardeshir I) and the Ashkanids, even though they had somewhat of a Hellenistic theme.

[Pilarcraft]

In all seriousness though, we should take this into the Middle East thread before this becomes ever a bigger Threadjack.

You're gonna have to link me again. I haven't posted in it with this nation yet XD

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=416586&p=34106690#p34106690

[United States of Oceania]

Fun fact: Mesopotamia is not Iranian territory, they don't speak Farsi and they are Arabs, not Persians. Why do you always want to claim other people's countries? Isn't Iran big enough?

Sassanid Empire best empire.

Umayyad Empire was better.

[Pilarcraft]

Sassanid Empire best empire.

Umayyad Empire was better.

Boo

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Sassanid Empire best empire.

Umayyad Empire was better.

That's racist.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Sassanid Empire best empire.

Umayyad Empire was better.

I mostly remember the Umayyads as being the second Islamic caliphate that got defeated by the Abbasids and went "You know what!? I will flee to Spain and create my own caliphate, with chess and harems!".

And thus my ancestors might have a tint of Muslim blood.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Umayyad Empire was better.

I mostly remember the Umayyads as being the second Islamic caliphate that got defeated by the Abbasids and went "You know what!? I will flee to Spain and create my own caliphate, with chess and harems!".

And thus my ancestors might have a tint of Muslim blood.

Hey. You might be a sayyid XD

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I mostly remember the Umayyads as being the second Islamic caliphate that got defeated by the Abbasids and went "You know what!? I will flee to Spain and create my own caliphate, with chess and harems!".

And thus my ancestors might have a tint of Muslim blood.

Hey. You might be a sayyid XD

The Almoravids and Almohads can eat pants!

It's Córdoba Emirate/Caliphate, the individual Taifas, or bust!

[Pilarcraft]

Umayyad Empire was better.

I mostly remember the Umayyads as being the second Islamic caliphate that got defeated by the Abbasids and went "You know what!? I will flee to Spain and create my own caliphate, with chess and harems!".

And thus my ancestors might have a tint of Muslim blood.

Umayyads got into power by trickery (almost literally. Amru ibn As tricked Abu Musa A'shari in the parley after The Saffayn, into giving his overlord (Mu'awiyye) the Caliphate) and then kept that power by murdering opposition and oppressing The Ajam... though then again, the same can be said about The First Caliphate and The Abassid Caliphate too...