The Benefit of Slavery

[Imperial Esplanade]

There is so much I want to respond to, after reading one of those last posts, but I am exhausted and will have to hold off on this fun until, at least, tomorrow.

¡adiós!

[Cedoria]

1: Can't coerce a change of heart? Of course you can, what nonsense.

2: You can preach mercy and forgiveness or you can advocate slavery. Pick one. But don't give me this whole 'I am so morally superior' tosh.

3: Slavery is not a state of normalcy, and if rehabilitation can't be coercive, as you say, then slavery is hardly likely to do any better than prison.

1. t. Commie

2. I don't claim moral superiority
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3. This has been hashed and rehashed already

1: Also truth.

2: Of course you do, it practically oozes out of you in every ridiculous thread you post.

3: Yep, and you still don't get it.

[The Parkus Empire]

.*snip

Justice ideally benefits the offender in some way by causing regret, but even if he doesn't feel remorse, it's still doable. Justice does not hinge on remorse, and really that is one thing it is dangerous to force. Such attempts to force remorse have lead to torturing people into self denunciation and so forth.

I don't consider justice my job or place, but it is the goverment's job.

The law isn't infallible, but neither are you or I.

Being punished by another is not self-flagellation. Self-flagellation is self-punishment. As a sinner I do not seek to punish myself (which would be a crime against God, suggesting his atonement is insufficient and his forgiveness invalid); however I also accept all grief that befalls me as far short of what I deserve.

[The Transhuman Union]

Yeah, slavery is beneficial...



If we are in the 1700s.
Also, robots will be a thing.

[Saiwania]

Having been homeless I would prefer that to slavery, unless all my family were slaves as well. Being seperated from those I love is very painful for me.

Most people who're homeless probably are because they have no family anymore, or no one wants to help them out anymore after they have run out of money. You do have to go through this world on your own generally speaking, unless you're the type to be able to make and keep friends or a support network or certain social circle.

No one is going to advance your economic prospects or ability for you. You have to do all the legwork to become employable, self sufficient, and etc.

[The Parkus Empire]

Having been homeless I would prefer that to slavery, unless all my family were slaves as well. Being seperated from those I love is very painful for me.

Most people who're homeless probably are because they have no family anymore, or no one wants to help them out anymore after they have run out of money. You do have to go through this world on your own generally speaking, unless you're the type to be able to make and keep friends or a support network or certain social circle.

I was homeless cuz my family is poor and the only ones nearby all lived in a motel room and the motel wouldn't have me sleeping in it

[Petrolheadia]

In your ideal world...:

Plantation owner: You have that dude, and you're giving him 20 years, yeah?

Judge: Yeah.

Plantation owner: What if you give him life? Hey, here are a few green pictures of Ben Franklin, maybe they'll help you decide.

Judge: Well, he's my favourite president....

[Dooom35796821595]

In your ideal world...:

Plantation owner: You have that dude, and you're giving him 20 years, yeah?

Judge: Yeah.

Plantation owner: What if you give him life? Hey, here are a few green pictures of Ben Franklin, maybe they'll help you decide.

Judge: Well, he's my favourite president....

He was never POTUS. And politicians are more susceptible to "gifts" then judges, and costs less.

[Petrolheadia]

In your ideal world...:

Plantation owner: You have that dude, and you're giving him 20 years, yeah?

Judge: Yeah.

Plantation owner: What if you give him life? Hey, here are a few green pictures of Ben Franklin, maybe they'll help you decide.

Judge: Well, he's my favourite president....

And politicians are more susceptible to "gifts" then judges, and costs less.

Even better for the plantation guys.

[The Parkus Empire]

In your ideal world...:

Plantation owner: You have that dude, and you're giving him 20 years, yeah?

Judge: Yeah.

Plantation owner: What if you give him life? Hey, here are a few green pictures of Ben Franklin, maybe they'll help you decide.

Judge: Well, he's my favourite president....

People: We want that judge as President!

[Petrolheadia]

In your ideal world...:

Plantation owner: You have that dude, and you're giving him 20 years, yeah?

Judge: Yeah.

Plantation owner: What if you give him life? Hey, here are a few green pictures of Ben Franklin, maybe they'll help you decide.

Judge: Well, he's my favourite president....

People: We want that judge as President!

You want people unjustly put in slavery?

I mean, whatever floats your boat, but I'm aiming an RPG at yours.

[The Parkus Empire]

People: We want that judge as President!

You want people unjustly put in slavery?

I mean, whatever floats your boat, but I'm aiming an RPG at yours.

No, I was being cynical about popular favor. In truth the situation you described of judges depositing large, unaccounted for sums of cash on a regular basis, seems like something the IRS would notice.

[Petrolheadia]

You want people unjustly put in slavery?

I mean, whatever floats your boat, but I'm aiming an RPG at yours.

No, I was being cynical about popular favor. In truth the situation you described of judges depositing large, unaccounted for sums of cash on a regular basis, seems like something the IRS would notice.

They'll find a way, the prison-industrial complex is not dumb.

[The Parkus Empire]

No, I was being cynical about popular favor. In truth the situation you described of judges depositing large, unaccounted for sums of cash on a regular basis, seems like something the IRS would notice.

They'll find a way, the prison-industrial complex is not dumb.

Plantations aren't the prison industrial complex.

[Petrolheadia]

They'll find a way, the prison-industrial complex is not dumb.

Plantations aren't the prison industrial complex.

Would be.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

He's confusing it with the poll tax thread

I figured this was in the same vein, though. Stretching and contorting the constitution to objectionable ends, even if technically correct.

The living document doctrine changed legal interpretation based on prevalent societal norms, not on what seems cool on Thursday.

[The Parkus Empire]

Plantations aren't the prison industrial complex.

Would be.

Ah. Hahaha. No. Private prisons get paid for keeping inmates. Plantations would have to pay and then turn a profit from the labor. This labor is a bit of a risk too, because if the laborer just decides to be difficult there is little recourse: he is already paid for, so he can't be fired. He can't be whipped or sold to a new master. He just becomes someone you have to feed and house on your own dime. We are talking convicts here too, not people born into slavery, so they are less likely to be as manageable. It can be obviously seen that convict labor is not very favorable compared to hired labor except that it comes out much cheaper on AVERAGE (if the convict doesn't perform it's a loss). That's the only point. Now bribing judges regularly really detracts from this sole benefit. Furthermore it poses a serious risk, you just need one judge to say, " No" and the next thing you know YOU will be working a plantation.

[The Parkus Empire]

I figured this was in the same vein, though. Stretching and contorting the constitution to objectionable ends, even if technically correct.

The living document doctrine changed legal interpretation based on prevalent societal norms, not on what seems cool on Thursday.

That's not really true because societal norms vary tremendously throughout the nation and living document is used to override them in those places which differ from the judge's ideas

[Risottia]

I have no idea about laws in the United States, so I will take your word on the legality of the matter.

As for implementations, I think they could be forced to work in carefully guarded nationalised farms. If they were sold to private business they would have a better chance at escaping, no?

Maybe, but I'm inclined to believe private owners would take plenty of precaution to keep a hold of their investment

Why? Slaves are cheaper than wage workers (else, slavery has no sense). Employers already don't give a fuck about the safety and security of workers, why would they pay extra security to guard the slaves? It's cheaper to let them run and have the government produce new slaves at the taxpayer's expenses.
I'm sure a little bit of pressure would be enough to start a war on alcohol, war on foreign languages, war on spitting on the pavements, all of those crimes undermine American society after all and there's nothing like being tough on crime to win easy votes.

And if that's not enough, there's war on terror, and just enslave "illegal combatants" (aka whomever fights against Uncle Sam).

[Saiwania]

Slaves are cheaper than wage workers.

This isn't necessarily true anymore. A wage worker, you pay minimum wage or higher for 40 hours or fewer each week. A slave requires food, housing, medical, etc. to keep them in working condition. Neglect them too much, and they'll die an early death under your supervision. Lavish them too much, and that slave's output will never recoup the cost of their maintenance. There are costs associated with keeping someone in bondage that are close to if not akin to the cost of raising a child.

There are now a ton of labor saving devices or machinery that manual labor can't compete with in terms of productivity. More lucrative to have a sex slave than to practice traditional slavery. A ton of men will pay a decent sum of money for sex and they aren't necessarily worried about the specifics of if the sex worker is in that situation out of choice or not.

[The Parkus Empire]

Maybe, but I'm inclined to believe private owners would take plenty of precaution to keep a hold of their investment

Why? Slaves are cheaper than wage workers (else, slavery has no sense). Employers already don't give a fuck about the safety and security of workers, why would they pay extra security to guard the slaves? It's cheaper to let them run and have the government produce new slaves at the taxpayer's expenses.
I'm sure a little bit of pressure would be enough to start a war on alcohol, war on foreign languages, war on spitting on the pavements, all of those crimes undermine American society after all and there's nothing like being tough on crime to win easy votes.

And if that's not enough, there's war on terror, and just enslave "illegal combatants" (aka whomever fights against Uncle Sam).

Slaves are only cheaper than workers once they have recouped their cost.

[The Parkus Empire]

Slaves are cheaper than wage workers.

This isn't necessarily true anymore. A wage worker, you pay minimum wage or higher for 40 hours or fewer each week. A slave requires food, housing, medical, etc. to keep them in working condition. Neglect them too much, and they'll die an early death under your supervision. Lavish them too much, and that slave's output will never recoup the cost of their maintenance. There are costs associated with keeping someone in bondage that are close to if not akin to the cost of raising a child.

There are now a ton of labor saving devices or machinery that manual labor can't compete with in terms of productivity. More lucrative to have a sex slave than to practice traditional slavery. A ton of men will pay a decent sum of money for sex and they aren't necessarily worried about the specifics of if the sex worker is in that situation out of choice or not.

Plantations often already provide food and housing to their employees free of charge

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The living document doctrine changed legal interpretation based on prevalent societal norms, not on what seems cool on Thursday.

That's not really true because societal norms vary tremendously throughout the nation and living document is used to override them in those places which differ from the judge's ideas

I guess you have studied legal doctrine? Or are you basing yourself on preconceived notions of what the doctrine says?

[Washington Resistance Army]

There's no benefit to slavery and the 13A should be amended and the punishment clause removed.

[New Vlada]

it'd be better to send the convicts to rehab.
not this slavery v2.0 human-rights-violation electric boogaloo