The Benefit of Slavery

[Cekoviu]

So fundamentalist of a zealot that you don't even like the Constitution because it's too modern. :^)

Oldest surviving Constitution in the world tho

That means nothing to the Constitution Party. Primitivists, but at just the right point so that they still get to be fundamentalist theocrats without having any of that pesky modern "tolerance" and "inclusion."

[San Lumen]

Is this a serious thread? Slavery is wrong. it was outlawed in 1864 via the 13rd amendment perhaps you've heard of it? Slavery is still technically allowed as punishment for a crime but inmates are not property.

Where do you come up with these crazy ideas?

[The Parkus Empire]

Oldest surviving Constitution in the world tho

That means nothing to the Constitution Party. Primitivists, but at just the right point so that they still get to be fundamentalist theocrats without having any of that pesky modern "tolerance" and "inclusion."

Those sounds like euphemisms for "subversion" to me. Preparing to invoke Alien and Sedition Acts

[Petrolheadia]

Constitution Party - the vinyl-roofed Oldsmobile of parties.

Except that the latter isn't a bad choice.

Not as old as the Constitution.

If something is "the oldest in use", it's likely outdated.

The non-survivors are gone for a reason.

[The Parkus Empire]

Not as old as the Constitution.

If something is "the oldest in use", it's likely outdated.

The non-survivors are gone for a reason.

Liberty will never be outdated, my pink friend.

[Petrolheadia]

If something is "the oldest in use", it's likely outdated.

The non-survivors are gone for a reason.

Liberty will never be outdated, my pink friend.

Bringing liberty with a constitution older than the discovery of electricity is like serving Coke in clay pots.

[Pilarcraft]

Liberty will never be outdated, my pink friend.

Bringing liberty with a constitution older than the discovery of electricity is like serving Coke in clay pots.

are you suggesting the American Constitution (if I'm taking the correct one, with the context) was written before the first guy looked at a Thunder and said "it definitely exists"???

[Petrolheadia]

Bringing liberty with a constitution older than the discovery of electricity is like serving Coke in clay pots.

are you suggesting the American Constitution (if I'm taking the correct one, with the context) was written before the first guy looked at a Thunder and said "it definitely exists"???

He still did not know what that was caused by. He didn't discover gravity, just like a newborn baby doesn't learn about the existence of the concept of gravitational force by laying on the ground.

Actually, I checked and the first discoveries of electricity were over a hundred years before. It's still so old that it predates political parties in the US.

[Pilarcraft]

are you suggesting the American Constitution (if I'm taking the correct one, with the context) was written before the first guy looked at a Thunder and said "it definitely exists"???

He still did not know what that was caused by.

Actually, I checked and the first discoveries of electricity were over a hundred years before.

It's still so old that it predates political parties in the US.

The First Scientific usage of Electricity (as in, performing modern-esque scientific experiments on it, trying to recreate it artificially, etc.) belong to the 1600-1700s. Electricity itself was definitely discovered a long time earlier. I honestly don't get your point about the constitution though. Constitutions are supposed to be inflexible and hard to change. They're the basic laws behind an entire country. if we were going to change them every twenty-odd years (mind you, we did have the constitution amended a lot) the country would fall into chaos

[Petrolheadia]

He still did not know what that was caused by.

Actually, I checked and the first discoveries of electricity were over a hundred years before.

It's still so old that it predates political parties in the US.

The First Scientific usage of Electricity (as in, performing modern-esque scientific experiments on it, trying to recreate it artificially, etc.) belong to the 1600-1700s. Electricity itself was definitely discovered a long time earlier. I honestly don't get your point about the constitution though. Constitutions are supposed to be inflexible and hard to change. They're the basic laws behind an entire country. if we were going to change them every twenty-odd years (mind you, we did have the constitution amended a lot) the country would fall into chaos

And if you keep something working for too long, it falls into disrepair.

[Hurdergaryp]

The First Scientific usage of Electricity (as in, performing modern-esque scientific experiments on it, trying to recreate it artificially, etc.) belong to the 1600-1700s. Electricity itself was definitely discovered a long time earlier. I honestly don't get your point about the constitution though. Constitutions are supposed to be inflexible and hard to change. They're the basic laws behind an entire country. if we were going to change them every twenty-odd years (mind you, we did have the constitution amended a lot) the country would fall into chaos

And if you keep something working for too long, it falls into disrepair.

Don't worry, corruption and nepotism are more than willing to fill the holes left by metaphorical corrosion. Some would even say that this is already the case, but do not listen to those insurgents.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Is this a serious thread? Slavery is wrong. it was outlawed in 1864 via the 13rd amendment perhaps you've heard of it? Slavery is still technically allowed as punishment for a crime but inmates are not property.

Where do you come up with these crazy ideas?

A slave is property, so criminals are technically property.

[Ifreann]

Slave revolt? Slave revolt.

[Hurdergaryp]

Slave revolt? Slave revolt.

Pretty sure that is going to be bad for the stock market.

[Orostan]

Repeatedly I have heard that we have a labor shortage on our plantations here in the United States, and that we therefore need to important more immigrants. But I have an alternative, which is slavery. Specifically the enslaving of convicts. For those sentenced to life in prison or death, this is very straightforward: simply sell them to plantations. This saves a lot of money right there, in fact sale should recoup a lot of the court cost. Now as for those doing shorter terms, I propose a period of indentured servitude instead. Contracts for indentured convicts also would save or even make a lot of money. Also I am a strong believer in hard work's power to reform. Much better than shooting up drugs in a cell.

So, what do you say, NSG? Sounds good? It's 100% Constitutional.

>assuming that all arrests are legitimate
>this simplistic worldview

Are you for real?

[Hurdergaryp]

Repeatedly I have heard that we have a labor shortage on our plantations here in the United States, and that we therefore need to important more immigrants. But I have an alternative, which is slavery. Specifically the enslaving of convicts. For those sentenced to life in prison or death, this is very straightforward: simply sell them to plantations. This saves a lot of money right there, in fact sale should recoup a lot of the court cost. Now as for those doing shorter terms, I propose a period of indentured servitude instead. Contracts for indentured convicts also would save or even make a lot of money. Also I am a strong believer in hard work's power to reform. Much better than shooting up drugs in a cell.

So, what do you say, NSG? Sounds good? It's 100% Constitutional.

>assuming that all arrests are legitimate
>this simplistic worldview

Are you for real?

Not only is he real, but also it is a fact that he became the person he currently is by years of willing exposure to NationStates General. Let this serve as a warning.

[Petrolheadia]

And if you keep something working for too long, it falls into disrepair.

Don't worry, corruption and nepotism are more than willing to fill the holes left by metaphorical corrosion. Some would even say that this is already the case, but do not listen to those insurgents.

It's like running a farm beater truck.

"Yes, the truck is blue, but the junkyard only had red doors."
"Who needs two reverse lights anyway?"
"If it's not structural corrosion, Bondo it. If it is, Bondo it."
"Never too much starting fluid".
"Hold on, I'll tune the carb myself."

[Ostroeuropa]

Slavery now, as well as Slavery historically, would only disadvantage workers who aren't slaves, as well as, you know, disadvantage the slaves.

It's often overlooked, but the major impetus for the abolition of slavery wasn't concern for slaves, but concern for the wages of white workers. Not exactly wonderful, but there it is.

Enslaving prisoners would merely undercut the wages of workers. We need higher wages and more spending power to rejuvenate the west, not lower and less. Even before you get into the ethical considerations, the economic ones are sufficient to rule it out. There is a lot of reasons that the south was comparatively undeveloped when contrasted with the north, but slavery is a major one of those reasons. If almost no workers have any spending power, that destroys growth.

In terms of enslaving prisoners, there are some types that might be better, if we're going in for it, namely disaster relief, rapid transition to green energy because economics here should give way to global emergency, and so on.

I'm not opposed to work being an element of prison, especially alongside genuine rehabilitation efforts, but i'm skeptical of it in the current US system and its emphasis on punishment. I'm also skeptical of using prisoners in areas where workers could be found and paid properly, unless those areas are in the public interest to rapidly develop.

[Petrolheadia]

Slavery now, as well as Slavery historically, would only disadvantage workers who aren't slaves, as well as, you know, disadvantage the slaves.

It's often overlooked, but the major impetus for the abolition of slavery wasn't concern for slaves, but concern for the wages of white workers. Not exactly wonderful, but there it is.

Enslaving prisoners would merely undercut the wages of workers. We need higher wages and more spending power to rejuvenate the west, not lower and less. Even before you get into the ethical considerations, the economic ones are sufficient to rule it out. There is a lot of reasons that the south was comparatively undeveloped when contrasted with the north, but slavery is a major one of those reasons. If almost no workers have any spending power, that destroys growth.

In terms of enslaving prisoners, there are some types that might be better, if we're going in for it, namely disaster relief, rapid transition to green energy because economics here should give way to global emergency, and so on.

I'm not opposed to work being an element of prison, especially alongside genuine rehabilitation efforts, but i'm skeptical of it in the current US system and its emphasis on punishment. I'm also skeptical of using prisoners in areas where workers could be found and paid properly, unless those areas are in the public interest to rapidly develop.

It's hard to find a job if your competition's salary is "bed in a gutted-out RV, food from Lowest Bidder Inc.".

[Ostroeuropa]

Slavery now, as well as Slavery historically, would only disadvantage workers who aren't slaves, as well as, you know, disadvantage the slaves.

It's often overlooked, but the major impetus for the abolition of slavery wasn't concern for slaves, but concern for the wages of white workers. Not exactly wonderful, but there it is.

Enslaving prisoners would merely undercut the wages of workers. We need higher wages and more spending power to rejuvenate the west, not lower and less. Even before you get into the ethical considerations, the economic ones are sufficient to rule it out. There is a lot of reasons that the south was comparatively undeveloped when contrasted with the north, but slavery is a major one of those reasons. If almost no workers have any spending power, that destroys growth.

In terms of enslaving prisoners, there are some types that might be better, if we're going in for it, namely disaster relief, rapid transition to green energy because economics here should give way to global emergency, and so on.

I'm not opposed to work being an element of prison, especially alongside genuine rehabilitation efforts, but i'm skeptical of it in the current US system and its emphasis on punishment. I'm also skeptical of using prisoners in areas where workers could be found and paid properly, unless those areas are in the public interest to rapidly develop.

It's hard to find a job if your competition's salary is "bed in a gutted-out RV, food from Lowest Bidder Inc.".

The number of prisoners in the US, if tomorrow ordered to begin transitioning the nation to green energy, could probably do it in an extremely short timeframe, and perhaps even generate enough materials and such to develop other countries too. It's about the only thing i'd consider the proposal for given the crisis, especially as cheaper and cleaner energy will benefit workers. Otherwise, why not hire people?

[The Parkus Empire]

Slavery now, as well as Slavery historically, would only disadvantage workers who aren't slaves, as well as, you know, disadvantage the slaves.

It's often overlooked, but the major impetus for the abolition of slavery wasn't concern for slaves, but concern for the wages of white workers. Not exactly wonderful, but there it is.

Enslaving prisoners would merely undercut the wages of workers. We need higher wages and more spending power to rejuvenate the west, not lower and less. Even before you get into the ethical considerations, the economic ones are sufficient to rule it out. There is a lot of reasons that the south was comparatively undeveloped when contrasted with the north, but slavery is a major one of those reasons. If almost no workers have any spending power, that destroys growth.

In terms of enslaving prisoners, there are some types that might be better, if we're going in for it, namely disaster relief, rapid transition to green energy because economics here should give way to global emergency, and so on.

I'm not opposed to work being an element of prison, especially alongside genuine rehabilitation efforts, but i'm skeptical of it in the current US system and its emphasis on punishment. I'm also skeptical of using prisoners in areas where workers could be found and paid properly, unless those areas are in the public interest to rapidly develop.

It would save a metric shitload in taxes, that will help everyone

[Huntpublic]

I think we need to know what these prisoner slaves would be working as, like what jobs they would be doing. Me personally, I'm against any type of slavery. But, wouldn't have slaves take some jobs away from people who need them? and that is why I brought up the point of what jobs they would be doing.

[Hurdergaryp]

Don't worry, corruption and nepotism are more than willing to fill the holes left by metaphorical corrosion. Some would even say that this is already the case, but do not listen to those insurgents.

It's like running a farm beater truck.

"Yes, the truck is blue, but the junkyard only had red doors."
"Who needs two reverse lights anyway?"
"If it's not structural corrosion, Bondo it. If it is, Bondo it."
"Never too much starting fluid".
"Hold on, I'll tune the carb myself."

And then, when the truck spontaneously erupts in flames while on the road, you honestly do not understand how that could possibly have happened while fire embraces you.

[Petrolheadia]

Slavery now, as well as Slavery historically, would only disadvantage workers who aren't slaves, as well as, you know, disadvantage the slaves.

It's often overlooked, but the major impetus for the abolition of slavery wasn't concern for slaves, but concern for the wages of white workers. Not exactly wonderful, but there it is.

Enslaving prisoners would merely undercut the wages of workers. We need higher wages and more spending power to rejuvenate the west, not lower and less. Even before you get into the ethical considerations, the economic ones are sufficient to rule it out. There is a lot of reasons that the south was comparatively undeveloped when contrasted with the north, but slavery is a major one of those reasons. If almost no workers have any spending power, that destroys growth.

In terms of enslaving prisoners, there are some types that might be better, if we're going in for it, namely disaster relief, rapid transition to green energy because economics here should give way to global emergency, and so on.

I'm not opposed to work being an element of prison, especially alongside genuine rehabilitation efforts, but i'm skeptical of it in the current US system and its emphasis on punishment. I'm also skeptical of using prisoners in areas where workers could be found and paid properly, unless those areas are in the public interest to rapidly develop.

It would save a metric shitload in taxes, that will help everyone

If other people lose jobs because of that, the cost of welfare and lower tax income is added.

That does not help anybody.

[Petrolheadia]

It's like running a farm beater truck.

"Yes, the truck is blue, but the junkyard only had red doors."
"Who needs two reverse lights anyway?"
"If it's not structural corrosion, Bondo it. If it is, Bondo it."
"Never too much starting fluid".
"Hold on, I'll tune the carb myself."

And then, when the truck spontaneously erupts in flames while on the road, you honestly do not understand how that could possibly have happened while fire embraces you.

That doesn't happen.

It usually just throws a rod, or the transmission turns to shit, or the frame snaps because Bondo and rust are weaker than steel.

Not a bang, but a whimper.