Is a hot dog a sandwich?

[Valrifell]

I'd like to point out that Merriam-Webster agrees with the definition of sandwich that entails "one slice of bread covered in food"

That definition still goes under the assumption that there is a bun with the hotdog. You can eat a hot dog without a bun.
Also if i have a taco that uses a tortilla is that also a sandwich?

The problem is the name for the sausage and the collective name for the sandwich are the same (as far as I know) so you can't technically eat a "hot-dog" without the bun, but also you can.

No, because (and this is going off of Merriam-Webster) a tortilla is not a piece of bread or roll, the process to make it is too different. If you ask me, it's because the tortilla completely wraps the meat. Which would bring it closer to a ravioli than a sandwich, but it's not since it does have open faces. Which is probably why we call those "wraps."

[Albrenia]

This issue's poll is more hotly contested than any political poll I've seen to date. I love it.

[Valrifell]

This issue's poll is more hotly contested than any political poll I've seen to date. I love it.

186 people are wrong.

[Alvecia]

The notable different between a burrito and a hot dog is that you can just simply convert a burrito to fit the "strict" definition of a sandwich.

For a hot dog, you merely need to sever the hinge and you have, qualitatively, a sandwich. One could also raise the bread/bun ingredients as another factor that differentiates them from tortillas, though you can make corn bread.

If you took a tortilla, cut it in half and put the contents of the burrito between these halves and somehow maintain structural integrity, one might be able to say it is a sandwich. It's unexplored territory, certainly, but could you call such a thing - in good faith - a burrito.

I'm willing to entertain the possibilities and consider sandwiches a more fluid group of foodstuffs, whereas you hold a much less defensible position - one of absolutes. Strict definitions require strict requirements - you've offered me none. All you've done is cast shade on what a hot dog is and suggest that a sausage and a bun is somehow no longer a "hot dog" to fit your flawed rhetoric. That's an assumption you make that simply doesn't align with reality.

Also, I've never suggested that the hot dog was designed to be put around the hot dog bun, which makes absolutely no sense. Now, here's an important point:

If you accept that you make a "hot dog sandwich" by putting it between two pieces of bread, taking two buns and cutting a piece from each would make it a sandwich.

Next: Would there be a visible distinction between a hot dog sandwiched between pieces of different buns, or one sandwiched between pieces of different buns?Answer: Visibly it would be no different from a hot dog sandwiched between two pieces of the same bun.

Thus, whether or not you use "different pieces" is irrelevant. The only property which you could use to discriminate against the hot dog is the presence of a 'hinge', which I find an utterly ridiculous notion considering you could cut the hinge and then somehow get a sandwich.

You could maybe call it a Shrodinger's Sandwich, but calling it no sandwich at all is disingenuous. If we follow your reasoning regarding hot dogs, it's still a hot dog sandwich.

You just contradicted yourself by saying i provided no evidence for a hot dog not being a sandwich, then going on to say that if you make two slices of bread by cutting one then it is a sandwich. Creating two slices of bread would indeed make a sandwich, but the hinge still being there still makes it one piece of bread, regardless of how ridiculous you think it is.

Requirements of a sandwich:
Needs two slices of bread
Must have some sort of food filling in between them.

If you cut the bun in half and replace one slice of a bun with another slice of the bun then it is a sandwich because that involves two pieces of bread that you have now created by removing the hinge.

Could you be more specific on the bread? How are we defining bread in this context? Can any wheat based covering qualify, or is it specifically the traditional style? does it have to be sliced? Or can it be two pieces (whole or not)?
Like, would some ham between two doughnuts classify?

[NotAtlantis]

That definition still goes under the assumption that there is a bun with the hotdog. You can eat a hot dog without a bun.
Also if i have a taco that uses a tortilla is that also a sandwich?

The problem is the name for the sausage and the collective name for the sandwich are the same (as far as I know) so you can't technically eat a "hot-dog" without the bun, but also you can.

No, because (and this is going off of Merriam-Webster) a tortilla is not a piece of bread or roll, the process to make it is too different. If you ask me, it's because the tortilla completely wraps the meat. Which would bring it closer to a ravioli than a sandwich, but it's not since it does have open faces. Which is probably why we call those "wraps."

that's my point. If you can eat a hot dog without the bun then a hot dog itself can't be a sandwich.

A tortilla is a type of bread, it's just not a bread slice. And a tortilla does not always wrap completely around the contents it contains, but rather only over half of it which is what a taco is.

[NotAtlantis]

You just contradicted yourself by saying i provided no evidence for a hot dog not being a sandwich, then going on to say that if you make two slices of bread by cutting one then it is a sandwich. Creating two slices of bread would indeed make a sandwich, but the hinge still being there still makes it one piece of bread, regardless of how ridiculous you think it is.

Requirements of a sandwich:
Needs two slices of bread
Must have some sort of food filling in between them.

If you cut the bun in half and replace one slice of a bun with another slice of the bun then it is a sandwich because that involves two pieces of bread that you have now created by removing the hinge.

Could you be more specific on the bread? How are we defining bread in this context? Can any wheat based covering qualify, or is it specifically the traditional style? does it have to be sliced? Or can it be two pieces (whole or not)?
Like, would some ham between two doughnuts classify?

The definition of bread is:
food made of flour, water, and yeast or another leavening agent, mixed together and baked.
So if you have two doughnuts and stick them between a food filing then that would be a sandwich. And there are people that do that.

[Alvecia]

Could you be more specific on the bread? How are we defining bread in this context? Can any wheat based covering qualify, or is it specifically the traditional style? does it have to be sliced? Or can it be two pieces (whole or not)?
Like, would some ham between two doughnuts classify?

The definition of bread is:
food made of flour, water, and yeast or another leavening agent, mixed together and baked.
So if you have two doughnuts and stick them between a food filing then that would be a sandwich. And there are people that do that.

On the record, those people are weird. But I'd probably still try it.
What about the slicing? Any particular requirements there?

[NotAtlantis]

The definition of bread is:
food made of flour, water, and yeast or another leavening agent, mixed together and baked.
So if you have two doughnuts and stick them between a food filing then that would be a sandwich. And there are people that do that.

On the record, those people are weird. But I'd probably still try it.
What about the slicing? Any particular requirements there?

I agree with not getting the doughnut thing.

If you slice one piece of bread, you now have two pieces of bread. The only issue I can see is if you slice one piece of bread so much that it is now flakes or crumbs.

[Esternial]

The notable different between a burrito and a hot dog is that you can just simply convert a burrito to fit the "strict" definition of a sandwich.

For a hot dog, you merely need to sever the hinge and you have, qualitatively, a sandwich. One could also raise the bread/bun ingredients as another factor that differentiates them from tortillas, though you can make corn bread.

If you took a tortilla, cut it in half and put the contents of the burrito between these halves and somehow maintain structural integrity, one might be able to say it is a sandwich. It's unexplored territory, certainly, but could you call such a thing - in good faith - a burrito.

I'm willing to entertain the possibilities and consider sandwiches a more fluid group of foodstuffs, whereas you hold a much less defensible position - one of absolutes. Strict definitions require strict requirements - you've offered me none. All you've done is cast shade on what a hot dog is and suggest that a sausage and a bun is somehow no longer a "hot dog" to fit your flawed rhetoric. That's an assumption you make that simply doesn't align with reality.

Also, I've never suggested that the hot dog was designed to be put around the hot dog bun, which makes absolutely no sense. Now, here's an important point:

If you accept that you make a "hot dog sandwich" by putting it between two pieces of bread, taking two buns and cutting a piece from each would make it a sandwich.

Next: Would there be a visible distinction between a hot dog sandwiched between pieces of different buns, or one sandwiched between pieces of different buns?Answer: Visibly it would be no different from a hot dog sandwiched between two pieces of the same bun.

Thus, whether or not you use "different pieces" is irrelevant. The only property which you could use to discriminate against the hot dog is the presence of a 'hinge', which I find an utterly ridiculous notion considering you could cut the hinge and then somehow get a sandwich.

You could maybe call it a Shrodinger's Sandwich, but calling it no sandwich at all is disingenuous. If we follow your reasoning regarding hot dogs, it's still a hot dog sandwich.

You just contradicted yourself by saying i provided no evidence for a hot dog not being a sandwich, then going on to say that if you make two slices of bread by cutting one then it is a sandwich. Creating two slices of bread would indeed make a sandwich, but the hinge still being there still makes it one piece of bread, regardless of how ridiculous you think it is.

Requirements of a sandwich:
Needs two slices of bread
Must have some sort of food filling in between them.

If you cut the bun in half and replace one slice of a bun with another slice of the bun then it is a sandwich because that involves two pieces of bread that you have now created by removing the hinge.

Very well, we've now already established the Shrödinger's Sandwich, but let's address that first requirement.

If I take a single slice of regular bread, put foodstuffs on it and then fold it over on itself, does that not make it a sandwich?

If it's not a sandwich, what is it?

[Valrifell]

The problem is the name for the sausage and the collective name for the sandwich are the same (as far as I know) so you can't technically eat a "hot-dog" without the bun, but also you can.

No, because (and this is going off of Merriam-Webster) a tortilla is not a piece of bread or roll, the process to make it is too different. If you ask me, it's because the tortilla completely wraps the meat. Which would bring it closer to a ravioli than a sandwich, but it's not since it does have open faces. Which is probably why we call those "wraps."

that's my point. If you can eat a hot dog without the bun then a hot dog itself can't be a sandwich.

A tortilla is a type of bread, it's just not a bread slice. And a tortilla does not always wrap completely around the contents it contains, but rather only over half of it which is what a taco is.

That's not your point. My point was that you're conflating two terms with the same word/phrase but have different meanings depending on context. The hot-dog we're talking about refers exclusively to the sandwich, your point is moot.

Then yes, that would be a sandwich to my definition, though not to Merriam-Webster since a tortilla is not the same thing as a bread to their definition.

[NotAtlantis]

You just contradicted yourself by saying i provided no evidence for a hot dog not being a sandwich, then going on to say that if you make two slices of bread by cutting one then it is a sandwich. Creating two slices of bread would indeed make a sandwich, but the hinge still being there still makes it one piece of bread, regardless of how ridiculous you think it is.

Requirements of a sandwich:
Needs two slices of bread
Must have some sort of food filling in between them.

If you cut the bun in half and replace one slice of a bun with another slice of the bun then it is a sandwich because that involves two pieces of bread that you have now created by removing the hinge.

Very well, we've now already established the Shrödinger's Sandwich, but let's address that first requirement.

If I take a single slice of regular bread, put foodstuffs on it and then fold it over on itself, does that not make it a sandwich?

If it's not a sandwich, what is it?

It's just a piece of bread with food on it. Kinda like if you just put butter on a sandwich (or ketchup. I've met some weird people)
And then fold it up its just bread with some filling in it.

I can agree on Shrödinger's Sandwich, because despite what we both think I can agree that the hot dog is peculiar.

[Alvecia]

On the record, those people are weird. But I'd probably still try it.
What about the slicing? Any particular requirements there?

I agree with not getting the doughnut thing.

If you slice one piece of bread, you now have two pieces of bread. The only issue I can see is if you slice one piece of bread so much that it is now flakes or crumbs.

I was more thinking on the upwards scale. Like, the bigger and bigger the clice. Enventually you just end up with two whole loaves surrounding the food. Is that still a sandwich at that point? Cause it's still bread, it's just no longer a slice.

[NotAtlantis]

I agree with not getting the doughnut thing.

If you slice one piece of bread, you now have two pieces of bread. The only issue I can see is if you slice one piece of bread so much that it is now flakes or crumbs.

I was more thinking on the upwards scale. Like, the bigger and bigger the clice. Enventually you just end up with two whole loaves surrounding the food. Is that still a sandwich at that point? Cause it's still bread, it's just no longer a slice.

Oh. Yes that is still a sandwich. Can't imagine it would taste as good, but it is still a sandwich regardless of the sizes of the two pieces of bread.

[Alvecia]

Very well, we've now already established the Shrödinger's Sandwich, but let's address that first requirement.

If I take a single slice of regular bread, put foodstuffs on it and then fold it over on itself, does that not make it a sandwich?

If it's not a sandwich, what is it?

It's just a piece of bread with food on it. Kinda like if you just put butter on a sandwich (or ketchup. I've met some weird people)
And then fold it up its just bread with some filling in it.

I can agree on Shrödinger's Sandwich, because despite what we both think I can agree that the hot dog is peculiar.

Where I am, the word "butty" is colloquially used to refer to a sandwich. But we also use it for both single and double sliced concoctions.

For example, a "chip butty" consisting of chips (or "fries") wrapped up in either one or more slices of bread is called a "chip butty" regardless of the number of slices.
How do you reconcile colloquial synonyms of sandwich with the seemingly different definitions to your own?

[Esternial]

Very well, we've now already established the Shrödinger's Sandwich, but let's address that first requirement.

If I take a single slice of regular bread, put foodstuffs on it and then fold it over on itself, does that not make it a sandwich?

If it's not a sandwich, what is it?

It's just a piece of bread with food on it. Kinda like if you just put butter on a sandwich (or ketchup. I've met some weird people)
And then fold it up its just bread with some filling in it.

I can agree on Shrödinger's Sandwich, because despite what we both think I can agree that the hot dog is peculiar.

Certainly, if it wasn't peculiar this thread wouldn't be a running candidate for my most active topic on NSG.

What conflates the issue most is the vagueness and several exceptions that make a strictly defined definition difficult, as personally I would consider a folded up slice of bread with foodstuffs a sandwich and refer to it accordingly. Also, in Belgium, soft buns similar to those used for hot dogs are called sandwiches.

The world is one messed up place.

[NotAtlantis]

It's just a piece of bread with food on it. Kinda like if you just put butter on a sandwich (or ketchup. I've met some weird people)
And then fold it up its just bread with some filling in it.

I can agree on Shrödinger's Sandwich, because despite what we both think I can agree that the hot dog is peculiar.

Where I am, the word "butty" is colloquially used to refer to a sandwich. But we also use it for both single and double sliced concoctions.

For example, a "chip butty" consisting of chips (or "fries") wrapped up in either one or more slices of bread is called a "chip butty" regardless of the number of slices.
How do you reconcile colloquial synonyms of sandwich with the seemingly different definitions to your own?

The way I usually view it, is that many things can be advertised as something due to how similar things are. Like an Aquarium advertising about the different varieties of fish they have, but they also include dolphins and seals. These are not fish, but still live in the same ecosystem so they put them together despite not being the same.

[NotAtlantis]

It's just a piece of bread with food on it. Kinda like if you just put butter on a sandwich (or ketchup. I've met some weird people)
And then fold it up its just bread with some filling in it.

I can agree on Shrödinger's Sandwich, because despite what we both think I can agree that the hot dog is peculiar.

Certainly, if it wasn't peculiar this thread wouldn't be a running candidate for my most active topic on NSG.

What conflates the issue most is the vagueness and several exceptions that make a strictly defined definition difficult, as personally I would consider a folded up slice of bread with foodstuffs a sandwich and refer to it accordingly. Also, in Belgium, soft buns similar to those used for hot dogs are called sandwiches.

The world is one messed up place.

I agree that the world is very weird. The way different cultures refer to items is the main reason for a lot of debates throughout the world.

[Sicaris]

no.

[Esternial]

Where I am, the word "butty" is colloquially used to refer to a sandwich. But we also use it for both single and double sliced concoctions.

For example, a "chip butty" consisting of chips (or "fries") wrapped up in either one or more slices of bread is called a "chip butty" regardless of the number of slices.
How do you reconcile colloquial synonyms of sandwich with the seemingly different definitions to your own?

The way I usually view it, is that many things can be advertised as something due to how similar things are. Like an Aquarium advertising about the different varieties of fish they have, but they also include dolphins and seals. These are not fish, but still live in the same ecosystem so they put them together despite not being the same.

Hmm, I would rather see this as a taxonomic classification used commonly for bacteria, using sensu stricto (restricted to non-hinged) and sensu lato (incl. folded bread and hot dogs).

Dolphins and fish much are too distinct.

[NotAtlantis]

The way I usually view it, is that many things can be advertised as something due to how similar things are. Like an Aquarium advertising about the different varieties of fish they have, but they also include dolphins and seals. These are not fish, but still live in the same ecosystem so they put them together despite not being the same.

Hmm, I would rather see this as a taxonomic classification used commonly for bacteria, using sensu stricto (restricted to non-hinged) and sensu lato (incl. folded bread and hot dogs).

Dolphins and fish much are too distinct.

that works too

[Hurdergaryp]

It's just a piece of bread with food on it. Kinda like if you just put butter on a sandwich (or ketchup. I've met some weird people)
And then fold it up its just bread with some filling in it.

I can agree on Shrödinger's Sandwich, because despite what we both think I can agree that the hot dog is peculiar.

Certainly, if it wasn't peculiar this thread wouldn't be a running candidate for my most active topic on NSG.

What conflates the issue most is the vagueness and several exceptions that make a strictly defined definition difficult, as personally I would consider a folded up slice of bread with foodstuffs a sandwich and refer to it accordingly. Also, in Belgium, soft buns similar to those used for hot dogs are called sandwiches.

The world is one messed up place.

If only there would be harshly enforced regulation in order to solve the matter once and for all.

[Petrasylvania]

What if a hot dog is put inside a hamburger?

(Image)

Get out

Behold... The Burger Dog!

[Hurdergaryp]

Get out

Behold... The Burger Dog!

Progress has been made.

[Ethel mermania]

Get out

Behold... The Burger Dog!

NNNNNOOOOOOoooooooo!

[Hurdergaryp]

Much as you may regret it, Ethel, that what has been seen cannot be unseen. You are now fully aware of the existence of the Burger Dog. This enigmatic snack food shall haunt your dreams forever.