Is a hot dog a sandwich?

[NotAtlantis]

The key word in that was formerly. Therefore no longer, so it is not a sandwich.

So the Dalai Llama is not guy? Not a human?

So if the NRA would start calling a gun "fun stick" we would all be obliged to adopt that change?

Your logic is flawed.

The changing of the name does not have anything to do with what something is.
You could switch the meanings of the word man and woman, but that doesn't change what the person is.

Hot dogs are also what the piece of meat is called with synonyms being frankfurter and weiner and a lone piece of meat is also not a sandwich.

A sandwich also needs two slices of bread which a hot dog does not have. A sub is technically not a sandwich for the same reason that a burrito and a hot dog is not a sandwich. They use one piece of bread.

[Petrasylvania]

What if a hot dog is put inside a hamburger?

[Ethel mermania]

Webster and the national hot dog association have already said that a hot dog is not a sandwich.

Clearly you didn't bother to read the entire things, despite it being only a single paragraph, as the NHDSC admits to it being "formerly known as a sandwich" and comparing the distinction to calling the Dalai Llama more than "just a guy", despite the Dalai Llama still being a guy - a famous guy, sure, but still just a man.

Based on his physical properties, the Dalai Llama is a man. A hot dog is a sandwich.

Read your sources.

Just like the llama is another guy, uncultured ruminant

Well, yes. We're going by physical properties and categorization, not how you "feel" about it.

Pretty sure the Chinese consider him just a guy.

victoreeee

Taking a great leap backwards are we? The Chinese consider general tso's chicken American, what do they know?

[Hurdergaryp]

What if a hot dog is put inside a hamburger?

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Some people might take offense, because of the sexual imagery such a deviant act inevitably invokes. Other people are probably discovering something about themselves this very moment for exactly the same reason.

[Farnhamia]

Webster and the national hot dog association have already said that a hot dog is not a sandwich.

Clearly you didn't bother to read the entire things, despite it being only a single paragraph, as the NHDSC admits to it being "formerly known as a sandwich" and comparing the distinction to calling the Dalai Llama more than "just a guy", despite the Dalai Llama still being a guy - a famous guy, sure, but still just a man.

Based on his physical properties, the Dalai Llama is a man. A hot dog is a sandwich.

Read your sources.

Just like the llama is another guy, uncultured ruminant

Well, yes. We're going by physical properties and categorization, not how you "feel" about it.

Pretty sure the Chinese consider him just a guy.

victoreeee

I think Mr. Nash said it best:

The one-l lama,
He's a priest.
The two-l llama,
He's a beast.
And I will bet
A silk pajama
There isn't any
Three-l lllama.

[Ethel mermania]

Clearly you didn't bother to read the entire things, despite it being only a single paragraph, as the NHDSC admits to it being "formerly known as a sandwich" and comparing the distinction to calling the Dalai Llama more than "just a guy", despite the Dalai Llama still being a guy - a famous guy, sure, but still just a man.

Based on his physical properties, the Dalai Llama is a man. A hot dog is a sandwich.

Read your sources.


Well, yes. We're going by physical properties and categorization, not how you "feel" about it.

Pretty sure the Chinese consider him just a guy.

victoreeee

I think Mr. Nash said it best:

The one-l lama,
He's a priest.
The two-l llama,
He's a beast.
And I will bet
A silk pajama
There isn't any
Three-l lllama.

The deli llama really deserves more respect, he knows the difference between a mere sandwich and a hot dog.

[-The Kalmar Union-]

It's a food item surrounded by bread with at least one exposed part, so yes, it is a sandwich.

[Hurdergaryp]

It's a food item surrounded by bread with at least one exposed part, so yes, it is a sandwich.

Many in this thread say that being surrounded by bread is not enough. It is never enough. Dogma dictates that it is absolutely mandatory for it to be two pieces of bread to enclose said food item(s) in order to be recognized as a pure and unsullied sandwich, immaculate in its culinary righteousness. Any other opinion is considered to be heretical, which usually results in the posting of Monty Python and WH40K memes.

[New Axiom]

It's a food item surrounded by bread with at least one exposed part, so yes, it is a sandwich.

Many in this thread say that being surrounded by bread is not enough. It is never enough. Dogma dictates that it is absolutely mandatory for it to be two pieces of bread to enclose said food item(s) in order to be recognized as a pure and unsullied sandwich, immaculate in its culinary righteousness. Any other opinion is considered to be heretical, which usually results in the posting of Monty Python and WH40K memes.

Wait, so if I was to stick ham, lettuce, cheese and sauces inside of a hot dog bun, and eat it like a mini sub sandwich, what would it be then?

Those are really good actually, mini sub sandwiches.

[Australian rePublic]

Many in this thread say that being surrounded by bread is not enough. It is never enough. Dogma dictates that it is absolutely mandatory for it to be two pieces of bread to enclose said food item(s) in order to be recognized as a pure and unsullied sandwich, immaculate in its culinary righteousness. Any other opinion is considered to be heretical, which usually results in the posting of Monty Python and WH40K memes.

Wait, so if I was to stick ham, lettuce, cheese and sauces inside of a hot dog bun, and eat it like a mini sub sandwich, what would it be then?

Those are really good actually, mini sub sandwiches.

A sandwhich.

[Australian rePublic]

I think Mr. Nash said it best:

The deli llama really deserves more respect, he knows the difference between a mere sandwich and a hot dog.

All hot dog is a sandwhich. Not all sandwhiches are hot dog
(Unless you call the sausage a "hot dog", but I've only ever heard it called a "frankfurt"

[Esternial]

So the Dalai Llama is not guy? Not a human?

So if the NRA would start calling a gun "fun stick" we would all be obliged to adopt that change?

Your logic is flawed.

The changing of the name does not have anything to do with what something is.

Which is my point. A hot dog was formerly - and logically - known as a sandwich by the folks at the NHDC, until they decided to suddenly reject it.

Hot dogs are also what the piece of meat is called with synonyms being frankfurter and weiner and a lone piece of meat is also not a sandwich.

So now you're overly eager to accept that a hot dog can mean two things while being adamant about how you believe the sandwich to be defined. I suppose if it suits your logic, anything can be a hot dog?

A sandwich can undoubtedly include the sausage on a bun. If you're already willing to concede that a hot dog can be just the sausage - to suit your logic - its hard to see why the presence of a hinge is such an issue.

Those of you that reject the hot dog as a sandwich should be ashamed to designate the sausage itself as a hot dog. You wield your semantic stringency arbitrarily and illogically.

A sandwich also needs two slices of bread which a hot dog does not have. A sub is technically not a sandwich for the same reason that a burrito and a hot dog is not a sandwich. They use one piece of bread.

More rhetoric of the enemy.

[Esternial]

It's a food item surrounded by bread with at least one exposed part, so yes, it is a sandwich.

Many in this thread say that being surrounded by bread is not enough. It is never enough. Dogma dictates that it is absolutely mandatory for it to be two pieces of bread to enclose said food item(s) in order to be recognized as a pure and unsullied sandwich, immaculate in its culinary righteousness. Any other opinion is considered to be heretical, which usually results in the posting of Monty Python and WH40K memes.

It's a stupid hot dogma.

[Albrenia]

Would it be a derail to ask if a hotdog without a frankfurter but instead a tofu tube (or something equally sinister) is a hotdog?

[Australian rePublic]

Would it be a derail to ask if a hotdog without a frankfurter but instead a tofu tube (or something equally sinister) is a hotdog?

It's a tofu dog and it's still a sandwhich

[Australian rePublic]

Is a Sausage sizzle a sandwich?

[Valrifell]

What if a hot dog is put inside a hamburger?

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Get out

[Dylar]

It's a food item surrounded by bread with at least one exposed part, so yes, it is a sandwich.

Many in this thread say that being surrounded by bread is not enough. It is never enough. Dogma dictates that it is absolutely mandatory for it to be two pieces of bread to enclose said food item(s) in order to be recognized as a pure and unsullied sandwich, immaculate in its culinary righteousness. Any other opinion is considered to be heretical, which usually results in the posting of Monty Python and WH40K memes.

[NotAtlantis]

The changing of the name does not have anything to do with what something is.

Which is my point. A hot dog was formerly - and logically - known as a sandwich by the folks at the NHDC, until they decided to suddenly reject it.

Hot dogs are also what the piece of meat is called with synonyms being frankfurter and weiner and a lone piece of meat is also not a sandwich.

So now you're overly eager to accept that a hot dog can mean two things while being adamant about how you believe the sandwich to be defined. I suppose if it suits your logic, anything can be a hot dog?

A sandwich can undoubtedly include the sausage on a bun. If you're already willing to concede that a hot dog can be just the sausage - to suit your logic - its hard to see why the presence of a hinge is such an issue.

Those of you that reject the hot dog as a sandwich should be ashamed to designate the sausage itself as a hot dog. You wield your semantic stringency arbitrarily and illogically.

A sandwich also needs two slices of bread which a hot dog does not have. A sub is technically not a sandwich for the same reason that a burrito and a hot dog is not a sandwich. They use one piece of bread.

More rhetoric of the enemy.

The hot dog is the piece of meat. The hot dog bun was designed to be put around the hot dog, not the other way around. If you put the hot dog between two pieces of bread you will have made a hot dog sandwich. If you go by the logic that the one bun is suitable then you must also go by the logic that a burrito is a sandwich because it uses one bread item to hold together different products of food.
I have not seen much of any rebuttal against what I have said other than you saying that I am wrong and should be ashamed.

[NotAtlantis]

Is a Sausage sizzle a sandwich?

(Image)

no

[Valrifell]

Which is my point. A hot dog was formerly - and logically - known as a sandwich by the folks at the NHDC, until they decided to suddenly reject it.


So now you're overly eager to accept that a hot dog can mean two things while being adamant about how you believe the sandwich to be defined. I suppose if it suits your logic, anything can be a hot dog?

A sandwich can undoubtedly include the sausage on a bun. If you're already willing to concede that a hot dog can be just the sausage - to suit your logic - its hard to see why the presence of a hinge is such an issue.

Those of you that reject the hot dog as a sandwich should be ashamed to designate the sausage itself as a hot dog. You wield your semantic stringency arbitrarily and illogically.


More rhetoric of the enemy.

The hot dog is the piece of meat. The hot dog bun was designed to be put around the hot dog, not the other way around. If you put the hot dog between two pieces of bread you will have made a hot dog sandwich. If you go by the logic that the one bun is suitable then you must also go by the logic that a burrito is a sandwich because it uses one bread item to hold together different products of food.
I have not seen much of any rebuttal against what I have said other than you saying that I am wrong and should be ashamed.

I'd like to point out that Merriam-Webster agrees with the definition of sandwich that entails "one slice of bread covered in food"

[Hurdergaryp]

Many in this thread say that being surrounded by bread is not enough. It is never enough. Dogma dictates that it is absolutely mandatory for it to be two pieces of bread to enclose said food item(s) in order to be recognized as a pure and unsullied sandwich, immaculate in its culinary righteousness. Any other opinion is considered to be heretical, which usually results in the posting of Monty Python and WH40K memes.

To paraphrase another obsolete online hype: that armor... is its colour blue, or is it gold?

[NotAtlantis]

The hot dog is the piece of meat. The hot dog bun was designed to be put around the hot dog, not the other way around. If you put the hot dog between two pieces of bread you will have made a hot dog sandwich. If you go by the logic that the one bun is suitable then you must also go by the logic that a burrito is a sandwich because it uses one bread item to hold together different products of food.
I have not seen much of any rebuttal against what I have said other than you saying that I am wrong and should be ashamed.

I'd like to point out that Merriam-Webster agrees with the definition of sandwich that entails "one slice of bread covered in food"

That definition still goes under the assumption that there is a bun with the hotdog. You can eat a hot dog without a bun.
Also if i have a taco that uses a tortilla is that also a sandwich?

[Esternial]

Which is my point. A hot dog was formerly - and logically - known as a sandwich by the folks at the NHDC, until they decided to suddenly reject it.


So now you're overly eager to accept that a hot dog can mean two things while being adamant about how you believe the sandwich to be defined. I suppose if it suits your logic, anything can be a hot dog?

A sandwich can undoubtedly include the sausage on a bun. If you're already willing to concede that a hot dog can be just the sausage - to suit your logic - its hard to see why the presence of a hinge is such an issue.

Those of you that reject the hot dog as a sandwich should be ashamed to designate the sausage itself as a hot dog. You wield your semantic stringency arbitrarily and illogically.


More rhetoric of the enemy.

The hot dog is the piece of meat. The hot dog bun was designed to be put around the hot dog, not the other way around. If you put the hot dog between two pieces of bread you will have made a hot dog sandwich. If you go by the logic that the one bun is suitable then you must also go by the logic that a burrito is a sandwich because it uses one bread item to hold together different products of food.
I have not seen much of any rebuttal against what I have said other than you saying that I am wrong and should be ashamed.

The notable different between a burrito and a hot dog is that you can just simply convert a burrito to fit the "strict" definition of a sandwich.

For a hot dog, you merely need to sever the hinge and you have, qualitatively, a sandwich. One could also raise the bread/bun ingredients as another factor that differentiates them from tortillas, though you can make corn bread.

If you took a tortilla, cut it in half and put the contents of the burrito between these halves and somehow maintain structural integrity, one might be able to say it is a sandwich. It's unexplored territory, certainly, but could you call such a thing - in good faith - a burrito.

I'm willing to entertain the possibilities and consider sandwiches a more fluid group of foodstuffs, whereas you hold a much less defensible position - one of absolutes. Strict definitions require strict requirements - you've offered me none. All you've done is cast shade on what a hot dog is and suggest that a sausage and a bun is somehow no longer a "hot dog" to fit your flawed rhetoric. That's an assumption you make that simply doesn't align with reality.

Also, I've never suggested that the hot dog was designed to be put around the hot dog bun, which makes absolutely no sense. Now, here's an important point:

If you accept that you make a "hot dog sandwich" by putting it between two pieces of bread, taking two buns and cutting a piece from each would make it a sandwich.

Next: Would there be a visible distinction between a hot dog sandwiched between pieces of different buns, or one sandwiched between pieces of different buns?Answer: Visibly it would be no different from a hot dog sandwiched between two pieces of the same bun.

Thus, whether or not you use "different pieces" is irrelevant. The only property which you could use to discriminate against the hot dog is the presence of a 'hinge', which I find an utterly ridiculous notion considering you could cut the hinge and then somehow get a sandwich.

You could maybe call it a Shrodinger's Sandwich, but calling it no sandwich at all is disingenuous. If we follow your reasoning regarding hot dogs, it's still a hot dog sandwich.

[NotAtlantis]

The hot dog is the piece of meat. The hot dog bun was designed to be put around the hot dog, not the other way around. If you put the hot dog between two pieces of bread you will have made a hot dog sandwich. If you go by the logic that the one bun is suitable then you must also go by the logic that a burrito is a sandwich because it uses one bread item to hold together different products of food.
I have not seen much of any rebuttal against what I have said other than you saying that I am wrong and should be ashamed.

The notable different between a burrito and a hot dog is that you can just simply convert a burrito to fit the "strict" definition of a sandwich.

For a hot dog, you merely need to sever the hinge and you have, qualitatively, a sandwich. One could also raise the bread/bun ingredients as another factor that differentiates them from tortillas, though you can make corn bread.

If you took a tortilla, cut it in half and put the contents of the burrito between these halves and somehow maintain structural integrity, one might be able to say it is a sandwich. It's unexplored territory, certainly, but could you call such a thing - in good faith - a burrito.

I'm willing to entertain the possibilities and consider sandwiches a more fluid group of foodstuffs, whereas you hold a much less defensible position - one of absolutes. Strict definitions require strict requirements - you've offered me none. All you've done is cast shade on what a hot dog is and suggest that a sausage and a bun is somehow no longer a "hot dog" to fit your flawed rhetoric. That's an assumption you make that simply doesn't align with reality.

Also, I've never suggested that the hot dog was designed to be put around the hot dog bun, which makes absolutely no sense. Now, here's an important point:

If you accept that you make a "hot dog sandwich" by putting it between two pieces of bread, taking two buns and cutting a piece from each would make it a sandwich.

Next: Would there be a visible distinction between a hot dog sandwiched between pieces of different buns, or one sandwiched between pieces of different buns?Answer: Visibly it would be no different from a hot dog sandwiched between two pieces of the same bun.

Thus, whether or not you use "different pieces" is irrelevant. The only property which you could use to discriminate against the hot dog is the presence of a 'hinge', which I find an utterly ridiculous notion considering you could cut the hinge and then somehow get a sandwich.

You could maybe call it a Shrodinger's Sandwich, but calling it no sandwich at all is disingenuous. If we follow your reasoning regarding hot dogs, it's still a hot dog sandwich.

You just contradicted yourself by saying i provided no evidence for a hot dog not being a sandwich, then going on to say that if you make two slices of bread by cutting one then it is a sandwich. Creating two slices of bread would indeed make a sandwich, but the hinge still being there still makes it one piece of bread, regardless of how ridiculous you think it is.

Requirements of a sandwich:
Needs two slices of bread
Must have some sort of food filling in between them.

If you cut the bun in half and replace one slice of a bun with another slice of the bun then it is a sandwich because that involves two pieces of bread that you have now created by removing the hinge.