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Postby New Emeline » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:58 pm

Water rights is actually an interesting discussion.

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Postby Northeast American Federation » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:58 pm

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Northeast American Federation wrote:Shh, they can't blame white racist Drumpf supporters for that, so we don't talk about it.

If you think we should talk about it, make a thread for it.

Thread OPs require more than just me saying "this happens and I don't like it", which is about the extent of what I have to say about it because I honestly know very little about what's going on there.
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Northeast American Federation wrote:It's a breakup, not a secession. Well, at least this particular push isn't for secession. And last I checked, there are certain areas of policy in which the federal government has authority over the states. Constitutional authority at that. I suppose we could go crazy over the states rights argument but in the state this country is in, it's liable to go the same way it did the last time it came up during a time when the country was frenzied.

I meant a state, as in one state. Secession is something completely different and a subject of its own. I mean, Yes California and Calexit campaigns are trying to revive again.

This country's going to ruin itself in my opinion. A house divided on itself can not stand and all that. Even this thread has people saying they don't like California - which, last I checked, is unrelated.

I give it a couple decades, tops, the way things are going. Less if there's any major global destabilization events.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:59 pm

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Probably for the same reason we’re discussing the non-possibility of California dividing rather than the ethnic cleansings in Burma.

Shh, they can't blame white racist Drumpf supporters for that, so we don't talk about it.


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Postby Northeast American Federation » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:59 pm

New Emeline wrote:Water rights is actually an interesting discussion.

Maybe a good thread topic someone could start......
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Postby New Emeline » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:00 pm

Northeast American Federation wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Water rights is actually an interesting discussion.

Maybe a good thread topic someone could start......

I meant in pertaining to this specific discussion.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:01 pm

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Why dont you care?

Because I don't care about someone's tuition at UC Berkley.

what about prisons, state pensions, education funding? All that would have to worked out as well. And you should care about someone having their tuition rise even though they are down the coast. Thats just wrong and absurd.

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Postby Northeast American Federation » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:01 pm

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Northeast American Federation wrote:Maybe a good thread topic someone could start......

I meant in pertaining to this specific discussion.

Well correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge California already sources some of its water from other states. These states don't seem to have had many issues with supplying them(presumably so long as CA pays for it). The argument that this suddenly would change if California split up therefore seems quite weak to me.
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:04 pm

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Postby Zyr and Pony » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:04 pm

Northeast American Federation wrote:
New Emeline wrote:I meant in pertaining to this specific discussion.

Well correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge California already sources some of its water from other states. These states don't seem to have had many issues with supplying them(presumably so long as CA pays for it). The argument that this suddenly would change if California split up therefore seems quite weak to me.

The states do take issue with California taking their water, actually. There have been multiple SCOTUS cases over the issue, in fact, under the name Arizona v. California, where SCOTUS had to decide how the water was divided up
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Postby New Emeline » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:04 pm

Northeast American Federation wrote:
New Emeline wrote:I meant in pertaining to this specific discussion.

Well correct me if I'm wrong, but to my knowledge California already sources some of its water from other states. These states don't seem to have had many issues with supplying them(presumably so long as CA pays for it). The argument that this suddenly would change if California split up therefore seems quite weak to me.

That's fair.

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Postby Geneviev » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:04 pm

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Why dont you care?

Because I don't care about someone's tuition at UC Berkley.

I would have to pay out-of-state to go to Berkeley if this happens. I already don't know if I'll be able to pay now, let alone with that additional cost. I'd be forced to go to UC San Diego.

If you don't care, I still do.
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Postby Herskerstad » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:15 pm

Would even the divisions give one Red block for two blue ones, or would it just accomplish giving Cali 6 senators?
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:19 pm

First one California. Then three. Soon all of America will be California.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:22 pm

You guys gotta stop making a thread every time someone goes on about splitting California up or separating it. This has been a state pastime since before WWII.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:23 pm

Northeast American Federation wrote:
Bakra wrote:
Probably for the same reason we’re discussing the non-possibility of California dividing rather than the ethnic cleansings in Burma.

Shh, they can't blame white racist Drumpf supporters for that, so we don't talk about it.

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Postby Albrenia » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:23 pm

Ifreann wrote:First one California. Then three. Soon all of America will be California.


Then the world will just be an endless series of California. Then those will split into smaller ones, and soon we'll all be our own California.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:31 pm

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Ifreann wrote:First one California. Then three. Soon all of America will be California.


Then the world will just be an endless series of California. Then those will split into smaller ones, and soon we'll all be our own California.

We are California. You will be assimilated. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our marijuana breeding programs and tech industry.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:36 pm

No, just no.

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New Emeline wrote:Why do they want to do this?

To level out the playing field in favor of smaller states during national elections and to give political and other minorities a voice.



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Postby AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:09 pm

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA wrote:To level out the playing field in favor of smaller states during national elections and to give political and other minorities a voice.


Smaller states already have more power. This proposal wouldn't give any minority a voice.

See: Northern California.
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Postby The Creatures Beyond the Forth Wall » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:09 pm

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA wrote:
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Smaller states already have more power. This proposal wouldn't give any minority a voice.

See: Northern California.

See: All of California that isn't the coast.
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Postby Maichuko » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:15 pm

It seems like a rich guy in Silicon valley is always trying to break up the my state.
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Postby New Emeline » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:17 pm

Maichuko wrote:It seems like a rich guy in Silicon valley is always trying to break up the my state.

Wait, who did it before?

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Postby The Creatures Beyond the Forth Wall » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:20 pm

Maichuko wrote:It seems like a rich guy in Silicon valley is always trying to break up the my state.

A Rich Silicon Valley guy is always wanting to do literally anything and everything
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Postby New Emeline » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:22 pm

The Creatures Beyond the Forth Wall wrote:
Maichuko wrote:It seems like a rich guy in Silicon valley is always trying to break up the my state.

A Rich Silicon Valley guy is always wanting to do literally anything and everything

True

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Apr 13, 2018 6:39 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Maichuko wrote:It seems like a rich guy in Silicon valley is always trying to break up the my state.

Wait, who did it before?

The list goes back decades.
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