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Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:17 am**

San Lumen wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Well, let's test that theory!

id rather not.

Good thing you don't get to vote here then.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:33 am**

Vassenor wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Other than the fact that it's filled with innocent people oppressed by the rich elite and corrupt idiots?

And what oppression would that be?

Oppression my man

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:34 am**

Telconi wrote:
San Lumen wrote:id rather not.

Good thing you don't get to vote here then.

Actually, the elite ring of liberals has it set up so that every Democrat can vote in California state elections as a dead person.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:28 am**

I would love it except it would multiply our senators, which I don't want. So I must oppose.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:31 am**

San Lumen wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Through their immigration laws essentially trying to undermine federal immigration law and legalize illegals without actually legalizing them.

And I don't care.

Why dont you care? Plus there is also the issue of water. Los Angeles gets its water from the proposed Southern California. What's to stop the possible new government from refusing to supply them with water?
Or does that also not matter to you?

Can't, commerce clause is specifically about preventing that sort of thing

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:19 pm**

Only three? I thought it was six last time. Did they combine 'em or something? So many Californias...

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:19 pm**

Three Californias? Isn't one already enough?

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:30 pm**

The Creatures Beyond the Forth Wall wrote:~~DIE CALIFORNIA. TEXAS SHALL RISE AS THE US SUPER POWER! DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~~

I am actually kinda excited to see where the referendum will go, I hope some actual change will happen, more stars for our flag and less Californian power in the Congress

Erm, it'd actually be more Californian power in Congress.

Kramanica wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Why?

Because the state government is legitimately terrible and does everything it can to undermine the rule of law. It should be contained.

Have you ever considered ways to change the Government, rather than dismantle the state?

Northeast American Federation wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How so? As i pointed out int the OP the logistics of this make no sense. For example Why should someone in San Diego have to pay exorbitant tuition to attend UC Berkeley?

Because then it'd be in another state. At that point, it'd be like me asking why I'd have to pay exorbitant tuition to go there when I live on the other side of the country. ~~Not that I'd ever want to go there.~~

Because your tax dollars aren't funding our universities.

Valgora wrote:How will the break up happen?
What parts of CA will become their own states under this?

Can we just have politicians in Sacramento, secede?

Cannot think of a name wrote:You guys gotta stop making a thread every time someone goes on about splitting California up or separating it. This has been a state pastime since before WWII.

Yep, been a past time since the 1860s.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:38 pm**

Thermodolia wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:Would even the divisions give one Red block for two blue ones, or would it just accomplish giving Cali 6 senators?

You would have one red block, one purple, and one solid blue. To in effect it would be pretty balanced. Nor Cal would be the purple or light blue.

In what World would NorCal be purple?

San Lumen wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:I'm betting it's about increased division between rural and urban America as of the 2016 election. Not unlike how people have been talking about splitting up Texas.

Whether this division is justified depends on to what extent you blame rural America, urban America, or their refusal to work together. Perhaps splitting them up might serve as a social experiment as to whose ideas work better, and then they can work together on the ideas of the winner, but social experiments are known for sources of error...

Many of the rural parts of the state would unable to sustain themselves without the populous coastal counties.

Same can be said about the coast and food. California works the way it is, the only problem is that the brainiacs in the Sac have too much power - so we can just devolve it. Or we can have some crazy proposal that someone could only come up with, if he or she is supported by the 420 industry, both figuratively and literally.

San Lumen wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:California is OK when it comes to nature.

It is beautiful but there is no reason to break up the state.

There's a reason - trolling. It's not a good reason, but it's a reason

Vassenor wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Other than the fact that it's filled with innocent people oppressed by the rich elite and corrupt idiots?

And what oppression would that be?

Wasting tax dollars on the train to nowhere, instead of reinvesting them in the K-12 system by target an improvement in the teaching sector.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:29 pm**

Telconi wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
And what oppression would that be?

Oppression my man

*shrugs* many other states don't oppress.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:30 pm**

Better idea, kick California out of the Union in November.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:33 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Better idea, kick California out of the Union in November.

Better Idea

Declare it a territory and get all the money made from there directly

Pros:
They can't vote in National Elections
More Money
Less Silicon Valley influence on US government

Cons:
None

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:34 pm**

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Better idea, kick California out of the Union in November.

Better Idea

Declare it a territory and get all the money made from there directly

Pros:
They can't vote in National Elections
More Money
Less Silicon Valley influence on US government

Cons:
None

I fully endorse this.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:40 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Better Idea

Declare it a territory and get all the money made from there directly

Pros:
They can't vote in National Elections
More Money
Less Silicon Valley influence on US government

Cons:
None

I fully endorse this.

Actually, there is one con

Less Government Supervision.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:44 pm**

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Better idea, kick California out of the Union in November.

Better Idea

Declare it a territory and get all the money made from there directly

Pros:
They can't vote in National Elections
More Money
Less Silicon Valley influence on US government

Cons:
None

Con: Can't vote in national election

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:45 pm**

Geneviev wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Better Idea

Declare it a territory and get all the money made from there directly

Pros:
They can't vote in National Elections
More Money
Less Silicon Valley influence on US government

Cons:
None

Con: Can't vote in national election

That's the point you silly goose.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:46 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Con: Can't vote in national election

That's the point you silly goose.

Which will lead to the real problem. Military people in California.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:46 pm**

I don't see the point of people complaining about a lack of representation in California when federal elections have the same problems. Some in California get out voted by the coastal areas that have more people while California gets out voted by interior states with less people. You'd think the second would be seen as less democratic than the first but I guess not.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:46 pm**

San Lumen wrote:
Kramanica wrote:Because the state government is legitimately terrible and does everything it can to undermine the rule of law. It should be contained.

How so? As i pointed out int the OP the logistics of this make no sense. For example Why should someone in San Diego have to pay exorbitant tuition to attend UC Berkeley?

The real question is why would someone want to attend UC Berkeley?

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:47 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Better idea, kick California out of the Union in November.

I am for it. We can hook up with Canada. Hawaii can come too.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:48 pm**

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Better idea, kick California out of the Union in November.

No, better idea. Let them secede. Carve out Shasta or Jefferson as well. Turn of the water. send in the military. Military occupation. Eventually let back into the union as either a less powerful state or had over to Texas.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:49 pm**

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Better idea, kick California out of the Union in November.

I am for it. We can hook up with Canada. Hawaii can come too.

I’m into it. Less whining every time the name California is mentioned.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:49 pm**

Sovaal wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Better idea, kick California out of the Union in November.

No, better idea. Let them secede. Carve out Shasta or Jefferson as well. Turn of the water. send in the military. Military occupation. Eventually let back into the union as either a less powerful state or had over to Texas.

Whoah whoah whoah we Texans don't want 'em. Send 'em somewhere else.

Edit: Referring to people from the coastal counties. Everyone else is cool.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:49 pm**

Sovaal wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Better idea, kick California out of the Union in November.

No, better idea. Let them secede. Carve out Shasta or Jefferson as well. Turn of the water. send in the military. Military occupation. Eventually let back into the union as either a less powerful state or had over to Texas.

Texas? Like hell.

Posted: **Sat Apr 14, 2018 1:49 pm**

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That's the point you silly goose.

Which will lead to the real problem. Military people in California.

Why would anyone military want to live in California?

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