Atheism Discussion Thread

[Hammer Britannia]

1. Atheism doesn't follow a specific political ideology
2. Being an atheist doesn't automatically make one rational and logical.

"These benefits cannot be ignored, but it would seem that the atheist “movement,” meaning the growing mass of individuals who now seem to build their entire identity around atheism, may not be fully equipped to usher in a new era of science and reason. In fact, there is good reason to believe that these self-styled “critical thinkers” or “free thinkers” succumb too many of the same failings of religious fundamentalists, and even subscribe to their own ridiculous ideas despite a disbelief in the supernatural."
- "On Atheism" from The Red Phoenix

1. Oppressed groups need to be united. Atheists are oppressed.
2. Well it certainly makes one smarter than the sheep with a cross around its neck.

All groups are oppressed somewhere

Capitalists are oppressed in Random Shithole in Africa X, Christians in much of the middle east, Neo-Nazis in Scandinavia, Jews literally everywhere (if you believe fake news anyways)

[Valgora]

1. Atheism doesn't follow a specific political ideology
2. Being an atheist doesn't automatically make one rational and logical.

"These benefits cannot be ignored, but it would seem that the atheist “movement,” meaning the growing mass of individuals who now seem to build their entire identity around atheism, may not be fully equipped to usher in a new era of science and reason. In fact, there is good reason to believe that these self-styled “critical thinkers” or “free thinkers” succumb too many of the same failings of religious fundamentalists, and even subscribe to their own ridiculous ideas despite a disbelief in the supernatural."
- "On Atheism" from The Red Phoenix

1. Oppressed groups need to be united. Atheists are oppressed.
2. Well it certainly makes one smarter than the sheep with a cross around its neck.

1. That doesn't mean all atheists should be left-wing. And to be honest, I haven't seen many atheists oppressed to a high degree here in the US.
2. Being an atheists doesn't automatically make one smarter than everyone else.

[Cekoviu]

Atheists like myself should be left wing. How can you be rational and fascistic?

No, and "Easily". You already demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of Communism in the gun control thread, methinks this is another case-in-point...

Mm, I'd disagree that it's possible to be completely rational and a fascist. There isn't really an ideology that is completely rational, to be honest.

[Freaneet]

It is rational because treating people the same and having people be the same is the only means to live in this godless world.

That isn't what Nietzsche thought. The complete opposite actually. What you just said isn't rational and makes no sense.

Fuck him. He was nothing more than a chronically ill misogynist with power fantasies who hated working people. He may have been misread and edited by the Nazis, but honestly you didn't need to. His work alone is hateful and indicative of the scorn today.

[The New California Republic]

That isn't what Nietzsche thought. The complete opposite actually. What you just said isn't rational and makes no sense.

Fuck him. He was nothing more than a chronically ill misogynist with power fantasies who hated working people. He may have been misread and edited by the Nazis, but honestly you didn't need to. His work alone is hateful and indicative of the scorn today.

Based on that post, I think you have a cheek to accuse people of being hateful...

I also like how shallow your reading of Nietzsche must have been, to misinterpret him so thoroughly. Either that or the misinterpretation is willful. It even makes me question whether you have read his works at all, or just rely solely on mindless gossip and hearsay to form your opinion on him.

[Freaneet]

Fuck him. He was nothing more than a chronically ill misogynist with power fantasies who hated working people. He may have been misread and edited by the Nazis, but honestly you didn't need to. His work alone is hateful and indicative of the scorn today.

Based on that post, I think you have a cheek to accuse people of being hateful...

I also like how shallow your reading of Nietzsche must have been, to misinterpret him so thoroughly. Either that or the misinterpretation is willful. It even makes me question whether you have read his works at all, or just rely solely on mindless gossip and hearsay to form your opinion on him.

I have read Nietzsche's major works. I just think he was wrong on a lot of things. Me and him both share a disdain for religion but for differing reasons.

I have no qualms with talking about him with the same tone he used for others.

[The New California Republic]

Based on that post, I think you have a cheek to accuse people of being hateful...

I also like how shallow your reading of Nietzsche must have been, to misinterpret him so thoroughly. Either that or the misinterpretation is willful. It even makes me question whether you have read his works at all, or just rely solely on mindless gossip and hearsay to form your opinion on him.

I have read Nietzsche's major works. I just think he was wrong on a lot of things. Me and him both share a disdain for religion but for differing reasons.

I have no qualms with talking about him with the same tone he used for others.

Like I said, a shallow reading of Nietzsche.

[Big Jim P]

Are most atheists left-wing or are they more diverse when it comes to political views?

I imagine they tend left, but I've got no data to back that up.

I tend right.

[Ava Ire]

I was raised pretty devout in the Christian faith (Seventh-Day Adventist to be exact). However, I gradually kinda... grew away from God during my late adolescence. The reasons being that I just don’t feel God’s presence in my life anymore. As in, I simply don’t feel like he’s actually there.

It does kinda hurt for me to reject religion. Feels like I’m disowning a part of my past. Maybe I can pick up the pieces and find my own spirituality. If something happens in the future that brings me back to God, that would be swell I guess. But for now?...

...I think I’m agnostic, not exactly atheist, because I don’t say “There definitely is no god at all,” but I do now say “there could possibly be a god, just most likely not the Abrahamic one I grew up believing in.”

[Albrenia]

I was raised pretty devout in the Christian faith (Seventh-Day Adventist to be exact). However, I gradually kinda... grew away from God during my late adolescence. The reasons being that I just don’t feel God’s presence in my life anymore. As in, I simply don’t feel like he’s actually there.

It does kinda hurt for me to reject religion. Feels like I’m disowning a part of my past. Maybe I can pick up the pieces and find my own spirituality. If something happens in the future that brings me back to God, that would be swell I guess. But for now?...

...I think I’m agnostic, not exactly atheist, because I don’t say “There definitely is no god at all,” but I do now say “there could possibly be a god, just most likely not the Abrahamic one I grew up believing in.”

A very reasonable position to take.

[Reikoku]

Fuck him. He was nothing more than a chronically ill misogynist with power fantasies who hated working people. He may have been misread and edited by the Nazis, but honestly you didn't need to. His work alone is hateful and indicative of the scorn today.

Based on that post, I think you have a cheek to accuse people of being hateful...

I also like how shallow your reading of Nietzsche must have been, to misinterpret him so thoroughly. Either that or the misinterpretation is willful. It even makes me question whether you have read his works at all, or just rely solely on mindless gossip and hearsay to form your opinion on him.

While I wouldn't agree with Freaneet's condemnation of Nietzsche's entire corpus (I love both Anti-Christ and Thus Spake Zarathustra) it's not a misinterpretation. There's a lot in Nietzsche which is vitriolically misogynistic and classist.

[Godular]

I imagine they tend left, but I've got no data to back that up.

I tend right.

I tend rather hilariously left, but less so on certain issues and generally in favor of solutions that work to make identity politics a moot issue.

[Albrenia]

I tend right.

I tend rather hilariously left, but less so on certain issues and generally in favor of solutions that work to make identity politics a moot issue.

Yup. Us non-stamp collectors are all over the political map it seems. The only place we're probably underrepresented is being pro-Theocracy, and there's still probably some of us in that, paradoxically.

[Godular]

I tend rather hilariously left, but less so on certain issues and generally in favor of solutions that work to make identity politics a moot issue.

Yup. Us non-stamp collectors are all over the political map it seems. The only place we're probably underrepresented is being pro-Theocracy, and there's still probably some of us in that, paradoxically.

Ironic Atheism, hmm?

[Albrenia]

Yup. Us non-stamp collectors are all over the political map it seems. The only place we're probably underrepresented is being pro-Theocracy, and there's still probably some of us in that, paradoxically.

Ironic Atheism, hmm?

That, or people who think there's no God, but think one particular faith's doctrine is great for running a society, so they support it even though it may not be 'real'.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I don't think that Atheism is particularly limited to one side of the political spectrum. I'm not arguing that Atheism is apolitical, there are certainly political elements to it in terms of secularism etc. I mean I have been a repeated student at University, and now work in a University, and I encounter Atheists from across the political spectrum, each with differing interpretations as to how said Atheism affects their politics, if it does affect their politics at all...

Atheists like myself should be left wing. How can you be rational and fascistic?

How can you be rational and marxist?

[Godular]

Ironic Atheism, hmm?

That, or people who think there's no God, but think one particular faith's doctrine is great for running a society, so they support it even though it may not be 'real'.

I think I’ve seen that once or twice on the abortion thread, now that I think on it.

[Cekoviu]

Atheists like myself should be left wing. How can you be rational and fascistic?

How can you be rational and marxist?

"Only my ideology is rational"
"No, only MY ideology is rational"
Really, this is quite a dumb argument that's not going to go anywhere productive.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I tend rather hilariously left, but less so on certain issues and generally in favor of solutions that work to make identity politics a moot issue.

Yup. Us non-stamp collectors are all over the political map it seems. The only place we're probably underrepresented is being pro-Theocracy, and there's still probably some of us in that, paradoxically.

I've argued with quite a few atheists who wanted to reunite church and state, or at least encourage religious values, but they tend to be sliding on a slippery slope to theism.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

How can you be rational and marxist?

"Only my ideology is rational"
"No, only MY ideology is rational"
Really, this is quite a dumb argument that's not going to go anywhere productive.

Sorry. I just couldn't let a marxist call themselves rational.

[Godular]

"Only my ideology is rational"
"No, only MY ideology is rational"
Really, this is quite a dumb argument that's not going to go anywhere productive.

Sorry. I just couldn't let a marxist call themselves rational.

I always figured Marxism as a philosophy that looks great on paper...

[Albrenia]

Sorry. I just couldn't let a marxist call themselves rational.

I always figured Marxism as a philosophy that looks great on paper...

It really would be pretty great system if it all worked as intended all the time. Too bad reality sets in...

[Uiiop]

I always figured Marxism as a philosophy that looks great on paper...

It really would be pretty great system if it all worked as intended all the time. Too bad reality sets in...

Eh...It's more Marx didn't even bother to write too much about tactics/implementation IIRC.
If you were talking about Leninism you'll probably be correct tho.

[Godular]

It really would be pretty great system if it all worked as intended all the time. Too bad reality sets in...

Eh...It's more Marx didn't even bother to write too much about tactics/implementation IIRC.
If you were talking about Leninism you'll probably be correct tho.

So Marx was like:

Step 1: Workers own the means of production
Step 2: ???
Step 3: WORLD DOMINATION!

[Uiiop]

Eh...It's more Marx didn't even bother to write too much about tactics/implementation IIRC.
If you were talking about Leninism you'll probably be correct tho.

So Marx was like:

Step 1: Workers own the means of production
Step 2: ???
Step 3: WORLD DOMINATION!

More like:

Step 1: Captialism goes to shit because of it's contradictions.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Workers own the MOP.