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What is your position regarding religion?

Atheist
96
33%
Theist
61
21%
Agnostic/Agnostic Atheist
55
19%
Secular Humanist
25
9%
Skeptic
7
2%
Nihilist/Relativist
12
4%
Anti-Theist
12
4%
Anti-Atheist
12
4%
Satanist/Occultist
7
2%
Esoterical Post-Positivist Dialecticist
6
2%
 
Total votes : 293

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Postby Albrenia » Tue May 08, 2018 12:28 am

Painisia wrote:What do you all think of state atheism? Albania used to be an ardent atheist state before


Against it in all but its most mild forms. Secular is better - let people believe what they want, it's none of government's business what one believes. Obviously illegal acts done in the name of religion are still illegal.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue May 08, 2018 1:22 am

Painisia wrote:What do you all think of state atheism? Albania used to be an ardent atheist state before


Religious institutions should be allowed but forbidden from getting involved in party politics. I'm in favour of measures such as banning extreme forms of religious dress that inhibit integration and religious schools that encourage communities not to mix. If you don't want to get in the melting pot it's time to go home.

Outright banning religious faiths and trying to impose atheism is too far, it's not necessary and it doesn't benefit the nation or any community. What's the point?
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Postby Reikoku » Tue May 08, 2018 1:26 am

Painisia wrote:What do you all think of state atheism? Albania used to be an ardent atheist state before


Its just as bad as a theocratic state where everyone is forced to follow a religion and probably going to fail because its impossible to snuff out people's beliefs.

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Postby Dogmeat » Tue May 08, 2018 10:25 am

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:I consider it more of a synonym for "WooOOOoooOOOooo"


Here, we have identified the exact point where skepticism throws the baby out with the bathwater. Naturalistic pantheism isn't a bunch of woo. It's a well-respected and interesting philosophical standpoint. One that I think is wrong, but worth more respect than you've afforded it. Spinoza was a solid thinker. Don't lump him in with the Deepak Chopra types.

Yeah, but how many Naturalistic Pantheists are Spinoza?
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Postby United Imperial Systems » Tue May 08, 2018 11:24 am

Painisia wrote:What do you all think of state atheism? Albania used to be an ardent atheist state before

Dunno.
Part of me says that's just like a state religion, shouldn't be a thing.
And part of me says fuck religion, we'll be doing the world a favor.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 08, 2018 11:37 am

Painisia wrote:What do you all think of state atheism?

It's fine, it would be militant state atheism that would constitute a problem.
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Postby El Hamidah » Tue May 08, 2018 11:51 am

Dogmeat wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Here, we have identified the exact point where skepticism throws the baby out with the bathwater. Naturalistic pantheism isn't a bunch of woo. It's a well-respected and interesting philosophical standpoint. One that I think is wrong, but worth more respect than you've afforded it. Spinoza was a solid thinker. Don't lump him in with the Deepak Chopra types.

Yeah, but how many Naturalistic Pantheists are Spinoza?

Quite a lot are Spinozists actually. Or just people with religious respect for the natural world.

The hippies are a small minority that haven't been relevant in years.
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Postby El Hamidah » Tue May 08, 2018 11:52 am

Painisia wrote:What do you all think of state atheism? Albania used to be an ardent atheist state before

It's just stupidity.

Secularism is the best there is.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue May 08, 2018 11:53 am

Painisia wrote:What do you all think of state atheism? Albania used to be an ardent atheist state before

State atheism is just bad
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 08, 2018 11:58 am

Free Arabian Nation wrote:
Painisia wrote:What do you all think of state atheism? Albania used to be an ardent atheist state before

State atheism is just bad

Just as bad as theocracy.
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Postby Free Arabian Nation » Tue May 08, 2018 11:59 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:State atheism is just bad

Just as bad as theocracy.

Yes
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Postby Gospel Power » Tue May 08, 2018 12:20 pm

Atheism? Not here

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 08, 2018 12:22 pm

Gospel Power wrote:Atheism? Not here

What? This is an OOC non-roleplaying thread, it isn't IC...
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Postby Dylar » Thu May 10, 2018 8:08 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Free Arabian Nation wrote:State atheism is just bad

Just as bad as theocracy.

I, for one, actually like theocracy
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Postby Reikoku » Thu May 10, 2018 8:12 am

Dylar wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Just as bad as theocracy.

I, for one, actually like theocracy


Yes, because burning women alive and throwing gays off of buildings are both so wholesome.

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Postby Pilarcraft » Thu May 10, 2018 8:13 am

Reikoku wrote:
Dylar wrote:I, for one, actually like theocracy


Yes, because burning women alive and throwing gays off of buildings are both so wholesome.

It is if god told us to do it =^]
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Postby Dylar » Thu May 10, 2018 8:14 am

Reikoku wrote:
Dylar wrote:I, for one, actually like theocracy


Yes, because burning women alive and throwing gays off of buildings are both so wholesome.

Because every theocracy does that, yea?
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Postby Pilarcraft » Thu May 10, 2018 8:16 am

Dylar wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Yes, because burning women alive and throwing gays off of buildings are both so wholesome.

Because every theocracy does that, yea?

Every Theocracy has done something like that, in the written history. Yes.
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Postby Dylar » Thu May 10, 2018 8:26 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Dylar wrote:Because every theocracy does that, yea?

Every Theocracy has done something like that, in the written history. Yes.

And I can make similar arguments saying democracy is bad because of the U.S setting up internment camps for Japanese-Americans in WWII, or the Mexican government persecuting Catholics in the Cristero War in 1926(and yes, the Mexican government was democratic at that time)
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Postby Pilarcraft » Thu May 10, 2018 8:30 am

Dylar wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:Every Theocracy has done something like that, in the written history. Yes.

And I can make similar arguments saying democracy is bad because of the U.S setting up internment camps for Japanese-Americans in WWII, or the Mexican government persecuting Catholics in the Cristero War in 1926(and yes, the Mexican government was democratic at that time)

But has every single secular democratic state ever committed atrocities as bad as, say, the inquisition? (because, if we're going at it, every single theocracy ever has done something like an inquisition, just in different shapes and forms. You'll get "drop them into the well" instead of "burn them to the stake", and you get different victims etc.)
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Postby Albrenia » Thu May 10, 2018 3:32 pm

Pilarcraft wrote:
Dylar wrote:And I can make similar arguments saying democracy is bad because of the U.S setting up internment camps for Japanese-Americans in WWII, or the Mexican government persecuting Catholics in the Cristero War in 1926(and yes, the Mexican government was democratic at that time)

But has every single secular democratic state ever committed atrocities as bad as, say, the inquisition? (because, if we're going at it, every single theocracy ever has done something like an inquisition, just in different shapes and forms. You'll get "drop them into the well" instead of "burn them to the stake", and you get different victims etc.)


Or cutting out people's hearts, drawing and quartering people for being Catholic or Protestant, executing or murdering people for being of the wrong (or no) religion.

Theocracy is a very, very bad thing.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 10, 2018 4:09 pm

Dylar wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Just as bad as theocracy.

I, for one, actually like theocracy

Are you insane?
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Postby New Emeline » Thu May 10, 2018 4:11 pm

Dylar wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Just as bad as theocracy.

I, for one, actually like theocracy

why

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Postby Genivaria » Thu May 10, 2018 4:26 pm

Dylar wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Yes, because burning women alive and throwing gays off of buildings are both so wholesome.

Because every theocracy does that, yea?

There is no way to reform a theocracy since they don't derive their legitimacy from the governed but from what the priesthood say.

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