Possible war with Syria?

[Pilarcraft]

Honestly had Russia not vetoed the recent resolution (like they do every time Assad is involved), it might have not escalated to this.

[Bruruma]

Repost:

This is amazing; The Fa'ath-scists and Russian Imperialists are finally getting their due! I am worried that Trump will fowl this up with his lack of cool-headedness, however I'll take whatever we get gladly at this point.

For this I have a special rendition of the American classic, Over There:

Instructions: Open provided instrumental version and sing first stanza along with tune.

Donny, get your gun
Get your gun, get your gun
Use it on A-Sad
On A-Sad, on A-Sad
Hear them calling Sharia
Every son of Moderacy
Hurry right away
No delay, bomb today
Make Bolton glad
To have done such a tad
Tell the Russians not to whine
To be proud Moscow's next time!

Instrumental Rendition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRcVFohFvxc&t=10s

[Albrenia]

Interesting response from New Zealand.

Seems they feel similarly to how I do: This isn't an optimal outcome, but things as they are, I accept the US's actions as justified and hope for us to not all die in global war.

[DanzigReichen]

And people wonder why North Korea are hanging onto their nukes. Because dozens of countries illegally bombed based on lies and fake news isn’t evidence enough.

[Bombadil]

And people wonder why North Korea are hanging onto their nukes. Because dozens of countries illegally bombed based on lies and fake news isn’t evidence enough.

Can you explain the strategic purpose of this if not to target chemical weapons facilities, which kind of supports the notion that this isn't based on fake news and evidence.

I mean.. what was gained exactly according to these conspiracies?

The reaction entirely suggests this was simply an attack to limit Syria's ability to conduct chemical attacks, so one would presume given that's what they've done plenty times before, that's exactly what they've done.

It hasn't helped the rebel positions, it hasn't taken out conventional means for Syria to wage war, it hasn't attacked Iran or Russian positions..

..so what exactly?

[Pilarcraft]

And people wonder why North Korea are hanging onto their nukes. Because dozens of countries illegally bombed based on lies and fake news isn’t evidence enough.

Can you explain the strategic purpose of this if not to target chemical weapons facilities, which kind of supports the notion that this isn't based on fake news and evidence.

I mean.. what was gained exactly according to these conspiracies?

The reaction entirely suggests this was simply an attack to limit Syria's ability to conduct chemical attacks, so one would presume given that's what they've done plenty times before, that's exactly what they've done.

It hasn't helped the rebel positions, it hasn't taken out conventional means for Syria to wage war, it hasn't attacked Iran or Russian positions..

..so what exactly?

It did attack a few Syrian Military Bases too, though. I mean, sure the main targets were the chemical facilities, but a few military bases, and I think the Jamraya scientific center (and two other scientific centers) were also bombed. (Then again, it was a relatively light bombing. So we can't say. Let's wait and see how everyone responds)

[Sharania]

It hasn't helped the rebel positions, it hasn't taken out conventional means for Syria to wage war, it hasn't attacked Iran or Russian positions..

..so what exactly?

No one is talking about Cohen's inquity and Trump's other scandals that surfaced just this week

[Bombadil]

It hasn't helped the rebel positions, it hasn't taken out conventional means for Syria to wage war, it hasn't attacked Iran or Russian positions..

..so what exactly?

No one is talking about Cohen's inquity and Trump's other scandals that surfaced just this week

I really doubt May or Macron really give too much of a shit about boosting Trump's domestic image.

[Sharania]

It did attack a few Syrian Military Bases too, though. I mean, sure the main targets were the chemical facilities, but a few military bases, and I think the Jamraya scientific center (and two other scientific centers) were also bombed. (Then again, it was a relatively light bombing. So we can't say. Let's wait and see how everyone responds)

When the DoD briefing is due? So far, I read that only 3 targets were hit in 2 salvos of 100+ missiles. Are you going to tell me that Assad only had ONE chemical lab where he all the gas? Why they stopped? Based on comments Mattis made before the House Armed Services Committee it’s starting to seem like Trump’s tweets actually pushed back the timetable on a Syria strike.

Trump blew all chances to harm Assad.

Assad has moved all of his equipment into Khmeimim under Russian protection. Did the missiles hit Khmeimim? Nooooo!

What's frustrating about this, is that aimless air strikes won't actually solve anything. All this is just one big show to distract the people from the Russiagate investigation that gets closet to impeach Trump every day.

[Sharania]

French Minister of Defense Florence Parly posted the video of the missile strikes on twitter

[The East Marches II]

It did attack a few Syrian Military Bases too, though. I mean, sure the main targets were the chemical facilities, but a few military bases, and I think the Jamraya scientific center (and two other scientific centers) were also bombed. (Then again, it was a relatively light bombing. So we can't say. Let's wait and see how everyone responds)

When the DoD briefing is due? So far, I read that only 3 targets were hit in 2 salvos of 100+ missiles. Are you going to tell me that Assad only had ONE chemical lab where he all the gas? Why they stopped? Based on comments Mattis made before the House Armed Services Committee it’s starting to seem like Trump’s tweets actually pushed back the timetable on a Syria strike.

Trump blew all chances to harm Assad.

Assad has moved all of his equipment into Khmeimim under Russian protection. Did the missiles hit Khmeimim? Nooooo!

What's frustrating about this, is that aimless air strikes won't actually solve anything. All this is just one big show to distract the people from the Russiagate investigation that gets closet to impeach Trump every day.

Yes, yes Trump is a Russian tool.

We gave them an Ottoman slap. We've already killed lots of little green men. Uncle Sam, John Bull and Pierre did their parts.

Syria isn't worth more effort than that. That's what the Turks and Israelis are for.

[Costa Fierro]

When the DoD briefing is due? So far, I read that only 3 targets were hit in 2 salvos of 100+ missiles.

There were more targets according to the live reports from a Twitter page I linked a few pages back.

Are you going to tell me that Assad only had ONE chemical lab where he all the gas?

Chemical weapons aren't actually just gasses or solvents kept in oil drums in a dusty warehouse that are brought out whenever regime troops decide to shoot themselves in the foot. Usually the precursor ingredients are stored and then mixed before being put into warheads and then fired on whatever targets they wish to use.

Yes, yes Trump is a Russian tool.

We gave them an Ottoman slap. We've already killed lots of little green men. Uncle Sam, John Bull and Pierre did their parts.

Syria isn't worth more effort than that. That's what the Turks and Israelis are for.

This is quite surprising, but we can agree on this.

The strike on the military air field last year was one strike. These ones are the second strike because the regime didn't get the message the first time.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Honestly had Russia not vetoed the recent resolution (like they do every time Assad is involved), it might have not escalated to this.

Putin just wants to prop up Assad

[Pilarcraft]

Honestly had Russia not vetoed the recent resolution (like they do every time Assad is involved), it might have not escalated to this.

Putin just wants to prop up Assad

But what's the use? Honestly, I understand the fact Russia's lost most of its middle eastern bases outside of Iran and Syria, but at some point, you have to let go of your puppets when they're this incompetent (There's a reason a war with two sides ended up becoming the mess it is right now)

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Putin just wants to prop up Assad

But what's the use? Honestly, I understand the fact Russia's lost most of its middle eastern bases outside of Iran and Syria, but at some point, you have to let go of your puppets when they're this incompetent (There's a reason a war with two sides ended up becoming the mess it is right now)

Could be a similar reason to why China wants to prop up North Korea

[Right wing humour squad]

Meh this is just some 4d chess.

[Pilarcraft]

But what's the use? Honestly, I understand the fact Russia's lost most of its middle eastern bases outside of Iran and Syria, but at some point, you have to let go of your puppets when they're this incompetent (There's a reason a war with two sides ended up becoming the mess it is right now)

Could be a similar reason to why China wants to prop up North Korea

All things considered, North Korea is pretty stable. Apart from your random refugee escaping to South Korea or some other land, North Korea, for all its terribleness, doesn't have the problem that Assad's Syria has right now. The reason for that is irrelevant here, but It's beneficial for China to keep North Korea around... but I'm legitimately curious how Putin is getting back the money and resources he's investing in Syria right now.

[Imperium Centralium]

Putin just wants to prop up Assad

But what's the use? Honestly, I understand the fact Russia's lost most of its middle eastern bases outside of Iran and Syria, but at some point, you have to let go of your puppets when they're this incompetent (There's a reason a war with two sides ended up becoming the mess it is right now)

Incompetent enough to have largely recovered from its low points in 2013-14 and whose continued existence is secured at this point. Competence of one's allies is also irrelevant to whether or not to continue supporting them until the point of being actively suicidal and counterproductive, which the SAA is far from, or they fail to continue to legitimize operations in the area.

As for this attack itself, there is enough reason to at least have doubt, now that its actively suicidal nature is in fact actually recognized.

[Bombadil]

Could be a similar reason to why China wants to prop up North Korea

All things considered, North Korea is pretty stable. Apart from your random refugee escaping to South Korea or some other land, North Korea, for all its terribleness, doesn't have the problem that Assad's Syria has right now. The reason for that is irrelevant here, but It's beneficial for China to keep North Korea around... but I'm legitimately curious how Putin is getting back the money and resources he's investing in Syria right now.

Control of gas pipelines most likely..

[Durin VII]

So, UK, US and France attacked Syria again. Two military sites and one civilian site, leaving no death and three civilians wounded.

Well, so far it only shows that the UK, US and France once more piss on international law and have no issue with warcrimes. It also shows once again that they have no respect for any law as they consider people/parties guilty without any sort of investigation.
Last but not least, R.I.P. Russia's guts. Surley they were informed again which allowed Syria to evacuate the sites, but they failed in striking back, basically allowing the US, UK and France to continue their illegal attacks on Syria.

[Purpelia]

I am deeply disappointed by the lack of a proportional Russian response. The least they could have done is attack the OTAN forces doing this. How hard is it to paint some of your fighter jets and AA units in Syrian colors? It was done in Korea after all.

[Bombadil]

I am deeply disappointed by the lack of a proportional Russian response. The least they could have done is attack the OTAN forces doing this. How hard is it to paint some of your fighter jets and AA units in Syrian colors? It was done in Korea after all.

It took time to organise a limited strike in Syria.. it's hardly as if the Russians are all geared up to respond.. and frankly there's zero benefit to them doing so. They can shout and bang shoes at the UN and that's probably what they'll do.

[Albrenia]

I'm unsettled by the number of people disappointed at war not breaking out.

[Imperium Centralium]

I'm unsettled by the number of people disappointed at war not breaking out.

they're mostly mildly nihilistic if they're genuine at all and not evola-tier edgelords don't worry

[Purpelia]

I am deeply disappointed by the lack of a proportional Russian response. The least they could have done is attack the OTAN forces doing this. How hard is it to paint some of your fighter jets and AA units in Syrian colors? It was done in Korea after all.

It took time to organise a limited strike in Syria.. it's hardly as if the Russians are all geared up to respond.. and frankly there's zero benefit to them doing so. They can shout and bang shoes at the UN and that's probably what they'll do.

There is a huge benefit to doing so because there is a huge loss to not doing so.

Fundamentally what is playing out here is a proxy war between america and Russia. And the purpose of such a war is to discredit the other side on the world stage. Every time Putin allows americans to bomb Syria he is allowing them to send a message to the world saying that Russia is incapable of defending its allies. And that's a huge hit to Russian reputation and thus their ability to make and maintain their allies.

It's basically the same thing as how if Putin started bombing the Baltic nations america would have to bomb back. Not because there is any possible gain to be had from protecting them but because the cost of not protecting them is OTAN falling apart.