Possible war with Syria?

[Martian Alliance]

I would add an argument here about how my school is currently receiving federal aid that we actually need, but that's enough of that. My point is that American military spending is like this:



You don't need any more. Focus on other things and stop bombing innocent victims.

Looks about where it should be.

From a very cynical point of view, at least some of that spending is actually being used and not sitting around collecting dust in an armory somewhere in the Midwest. However, currently, the ‘victims’ of the recent American attacks in Syria were arguably not innocent.

Edit: I am NOT defending killing innocent civilians.

I don't think you're knowingly defending killing innocent civilians but you need to understand that most of the drone strikes target civilians. There's video of them killing people, then blowing up an ambulance and killing the first responders. https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/

The incredible thing is that in the comments there are still people cheering on the US killing supposed "terrorists" not understanding the actual purpose of the leaks.

[Geneviev]

Where it should be? Those numbers are ridiculous. We're not in WW3 yet. The innocent are always affected. These people had families, friends, people who cared about them. People who didn't do anything. Same with that "war on terror" and everything else.

I sleep very well at night knowing no ones going to attack America simply because of those refuculous nimbers. Yours logic seems slightly naive; everyone has a family, a mother, friends, whoever else. Troops on the battlefield, POTUS, those weapons officers that launched those cruise missiles that killed chemical engineers, enemy troops, etc. With that logic no one should die in war because everyone’s innocent, but that is a naive point of view, because of human nature, War will always be inevitable in any way shape or form, ever since Cain killed Abel.

Ooh, slightly naive. I must be getting better at this. And that is what I think. No one should have to die for their country, religion, anything. And war is not inevitable. War is as easily avoided as my music. It can seem hard, until you actually try.

[Eol Sha]

If any US aircraft get shot down over Syria, I won't be upset. We have to get knocked down a peg in order to not invade another country again. I'm pinning my hopes on Russia sending Syria their best SAMs. If their missiles are as good as rumored, it should keep Syria safe. There is no other way, US or anti-Assad assets- have to get obliterated in order for them to be scared off from attacking.

Well, I don't think that's a good thing at all. Shooting down an American plane is an unneeded escalation. Leaving that aside, though, tonights attack, like the one last year, was prosecuted by ship-based missiles. American pilots weren't in any danger.

Also, Iraq shot down an American plane once. Where did that story ultimately end?

[Mujahidah]

I sleep very well at night knowing no ones going to attack America simply because of those refuculous nimbers. Yours logic seems slightly naive; everyone has a family, a mother, friends, whoever else. Troops on the battlefield, POTUS, those weapons officers that launched those cruise missiles that killed chemical engineers, enemy troops, etc. With that logic no one should die in war because everyone’s innocent, but that is a naive point of view, because of human nature, War will always be inevitable in any way shape or form, ever since Cain killed Abel.

Ooh, slightly naive. I must be getting better at this. And that is what I think. No one should have to die for their country, religion, anything. And war is not inevitable. War is as easily avoided as my music. It can seem hard, until you actually try.

War is easily avoided in theory. In the prisoner's dilemma, neither player should defect - they're both better of that way. Sadly, thats not how this works in real life.

[Geneviev]

Ooh, slightly naive. I must be getting better at this. And that is what I think. No one should have to die for their country, religion, anything. And war is not inevitable. War is as easily avoided as my music. It can seem hard, until you actually try.

War is easily avoided in theory. In the prisoner's dilemma, neither player should defect - they're both better of that way. Sadly, thats not how this works in real life.

What is real life? I never saw this thing. Just been living behind a computer screen since age 3.
If people could simply be less selfish, the problem could be solved easily.

[New Axiom]

Looks about where it should be.

From a very cynical point of view, at least some of that spending is actually being used and not sitting around collecting dust in an armory somewhere in the Midwest. However, currently, the ‘victims’ of the recent American attacks in Syria were arguably not innocent.

Edit: I am NOT defending killing innocent civilians.

I don't think you're knowingly defending killing innocent civilians but you need to understand that most of the drone strikes target civilians. There's video of them killing people, then blowing up an ambulance and killing the first responders. https://collateralmurder.wikileaks.org/

The incredible thing is that in the comments there are still people cheering on the US killing supposed "terrorists" not understanding the actual purpose of the leaks.

I’m not disagreeing with you; but are you suggesting bombing military targets that contribute to crimes against humanity in Syria the same thing as bombing civilians?

Ya know, the above is very ironic; you mention the US drone-striking civilians, killing them, yet the US bombs targets in Syria cause they gassed civilians. It’s funny how there’s a way you’re supposed to kill people.

[Mujahidah]

War is easily avoided in theory. In the prisoner's dilemma, neither player should defect - they're both better of that way. Sadly, thats not how this works in real life.

What is real life? I never saw this thing. Just been living behind a computer screen since age 3.
If people could simply be less selfish, the problem could be solved easily.

Unfortunately there are evil people in this world. You aren't going to get them to stop being evil.

[Geneviev]

What is real life? I never saw this thing. Just been living behind a computer screen since age 3.
If people could simply be less selfish, the problem could be solved easily.

Unfortunately there are evil people in this world. You aren't going to get them to stop being evil.

Just don't let evil people have power. Then you don't have to make them stop being evil.

[New Axiom]

I sleep very well at night knowing no ones going to attack America simply because of those refuculous nimbers. Yours logic seems slightly naive; everyone has a family, a mother, friends, whoever else. Troops on the battlefield, POTUS, those weapons officers that launched those cruise missiles that killed chemical engineers, enemy troops, etc. With that logic no one should die in war because everyone’s innocent, but that is a naive point of view, because of human nature, War will always be inevitable in any way shape or form, ever since Cain killed Abel.

Ooh, slightly naive. I must be getting better at this. And that is what I think. No one should have to die for their country, religion, anything. And war is not inevitable. War is as easily avoided as my music. It can seem hard, until you actually try.

Well, death is inevitable. Would you rather die defending your nations values, or in a hospital bed?

And, no, war isn’t easily avoidable. If one country doesn’t start a war another will, and sometimes over the stupidest reasons.

[Freezic Vast]

Unfortunately there are evil people in this world. You aren't going to get them to stop being evil.

Just don't let evil people have power. Then you don't have to make them stop being evil.

Only in a perfect utopian dream society, this is reality, there will always be evil people and evil people know how to persuade people to get into power, one way or another.

[Geneviev]

Ooh, slightly naive. I must be getting better at this. And that is what I think. No one should have to die for their country, religion, anything. And war is not inevitable. War is as easily avoided as my music. It can seem hard, until you actually try.

Well, death is inevitable. Would you rather die defending your nations values, or in a hospital bed?

And, no, war isn’t easily avoidable. If one country doesn’t start a war another will, and sometimes over the stupidest reasons.

I would rather not think about my own death, by my estimation I have 72 more years to live. That is assuming I don't have to go to war for something stupid. My nation's values? Not ready to die for Germany just yet, sorry. War would be easily avoidable if people would stop justifying every attack.

[New Axiom]

Unfortunately there are evil people in this world. You aren't going to get them to stop being evil.

Just don't let evil people have power. Then you don't have to make them stop being evil.

Ya know, the Bible says the antichrist is supposed to be this seemingly amazing, charismatic, attractive, just generally perfect person. Who wouldn’t elect the seemingly perfect candidate?

Point being it’s not that simple; you can’t just let evil people not have power.

[Kramanica]

If any US aircraft get shot down over Syria, I won't be upset. We have to get knocked down a peg in order to not invade another country again. I'm pinning my hopes on Russia sending Syria their best SAMs. If their missiles are as good as rumored, it should keep Syria safe. There is no other way, US or anti-Assad assets- have to get obliterated in order for them to be scared off from attacking.

An American hoping for Americans to get killed?

Charming. You sure you aren't fifth column?

[Geneviev]

Just don't let evil people have power. Then you don't have to make them stop being evil.

Ya know, the Bible says the antichrist is supposed to be this seemingly amazing, charismatic, attractive, just generally perfect person. Who wouldn’t elect the seemingly perfect candidate?

Point being it’s not that simple; you can’t just let them not have power.

Where in the Bible?

This country has elections. It should work. Just because a candidate isn't terrible doesn't make said candidate antichrist.

[Martian Alliance]

Ooh, slightly naive. I must be getting better at this. And that is what I think. No one should have to die for their country, religion, anything. And war is not inevitable. War is as easily avoided as my music. It can seem hard, until you actually try.

Well, death is inevitable. Would you rather die defending your nations values, or in a hospital bed?

And, no, war isn’t easily avoidable. If one country doesn’t start a war another will, and sometimes over the stupidest reasons.

The problem is that often times it's not the people who want to die defending their nations who are killed but people living their lives who want nothing to do with war. Besides, the United States' wars in the middle east are mainly fought with drones and bombers with no real risk attached to it. Whistle blowers have even said that people get drunk while flying the drones. The people who commit these atrocities for some pathetic idea of "patriotism" are totally detached from the people whose lives they ruin.

[New Axiom]

Well, death is inevitable. Would you rather die defending your nations values, or in a hospital bed?

And, no, war isn’t easily avoidable. If one country doesn’t start a war another will, and sometimes over the stupidest reasons.

I would rather not think about my own death, by my estimation I have 72 more years to live. That is assuming I don't have to go to war for something stupid. My nation's values? Not ready to die for Germany just yet, sorry. War would be easily avoidable if people would stop justifying every attack.

Why would you attack someone if there was nothing to justify said attack? If I was to walk up to you and punch you in the face, wouldn’t you want some explanation? Or would you just punch me back, with the justification of “he punched me first!”

[Geneviev]

I would rather not think about my own death, by my estimation I have 72 more years to live. That is assuming I don't have to go to war for something stupid. My nation's values? Not ready to die for Germany just yet, sorry. War would be easily avoidable if people would stop justifying every attack.

Why would you attack someone if there was nothing to justify said attack? If I was to walk up to you and punch you in the face, wouldn’t you want some explanation? Or would you just punch me back, with the justification of “he punched me first!”

Exactly! Exactly! There is almost never a real justification, so we stop attacking. Actually, no, I would just assume you go to my school. Going with the comparison, I would accuse you of assault.

[New Axiom]

Ya know, the Bible says the antichrist is supposed to be this seemingly amazing, charismatic, attractive, just generally perfect person. Who wouldn’t elect the seemingly perfect candidate?

Point being it’s not that simple; you can’t just let them not have power.

Where in the Bible?

This country has elections. It should work. Just because a candidate isn't terrible doesn't make said candidate antichrist.

I was using an analogy. If an evil person is vying from or power, they're going to get it one way or another. And what defines a person as inherently evil, what kind of moral judge are you? If one was simply evil for going to war, say, to defend themselves, are they evil? Or if they go to war to project their country’s influence, does that make them evil? No, it makeshift them a good leader.

[Martian Alliance]

Where in the Bible?

This country has elections. It should work. Just because a candidate isn't terrible doesn't make said candidate antichrist.

I was using an analogy. If an evil person is vying from or power, they're going to get it one way or another. And what defines a person as inherently evil, what kind of moral judge are you? If one was simply evil for going to war, say, to defend themselves, are they evil? Or if they go to war to project their country’s influence, does that make them evil? No, it makeshift them a good leader.

I think morality would tell us that indiscriminate killing of people is evil.

Edit: By indiscriminate I would mean killing 90 percent civilians. I guess it may not be indiscriminate though because it appears they're actually targeting the people they're claiming to protect.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... kill-list/

[New Axiom]

Why would you attack someone if there was nothing to justify said attack? If I was to walk up to you and punch you in the face, wouldn’t you want some explanation? Or would you just punch me back, with the justification of “he punched me first!”

Exactly! Exactly! There is almost never a real justification, so we stop attacking. Actually, no, I would just assume you go to my school. Going with the comparison, I would accuse you of assault.

But if you had poisoned some people using gas at a concert, that’d be enough justification for me to hit you, restrain you the best I can, and wait do what I need to do to make sure you can’t posion more people. This is the best analogy my tired brain can come up with for the use of force in Syria, forgive me if it’s bad.

[Geneviev]

Where in the Bible?

This country has elections. It should work. Just because a candidate isn't terrible doesn't make said candidate antichrist.

I was using an analogy. If an evil person is vying from or power, they're going to get it one way or another. And what defines a person as inherently evil, what kind of moral judge are you? If one was simply evil for going to war, say, to defend themselves, are they evil? Or if they go to war to project their country’s influence, does that make them evil? No, it makeshift them a good leader.

I didn't start with the evil thing. I don't believe that a person can be evil. Only their actions. Makeshift? Er... is my English just really bad or is it used incorrectly here? Anyways, self-defence is always justified. What we are discussing here is not self-defence though.

[New Axiom]

I was using an analogy. If an evil person is vying from or power, they're going to get it one way or another. And what defines a person as inherently evil, what kind of moral judge are you? If one was simply evil for going to war, say, to defend themselves, are they evil? Or if they go to war to project their country’s influence, does that make them evil? No, it makeshift them a good leader.

I didn't start with the evil thing. I don't believe that a person can be evil. Only their actions. Makeshift? Er... is my English just really bad or is it used incorrectly here? Anyways, self-defence is always justified. What we are discussing here is not self-defence though.

Yeah, my apologies. I’m using my ancient iPad Mini I right now, makeshift is a typo that should not be there.

[Sicaris]

No, you cannot fight and haven't had that ability in sometime. The reality of Canada's situation is that you exist at the mercy of the U.S. defensive umbrella, and little else.

Yes we fucking can.

We can and will fight. We kicked loads of ass before. We still can.

We just don't want to. Because war is a terrible thing.

You are actually making me pissed off.

You were told by a mod to drop the subject, I believe.

[Mujahidah]

If any US aircraft get shot down over Syria, I won't be upset. We have to get knocked down a peg in order to not invade another country again. I'm pinning my hopes on Russia sending Syria their best SAMs. If their missiles are as good as rumored, it should keep Syria safe. There is no other way, US or anti-Assad assets- have to get obliterated in order for them to be scared off from attacking.

An American hoping for Americans to get killed?

Charming. You sure you aren't fifth column?

Saiwania is an unabashed white nationalist. That is un-American and most definitely fifth columnist. This just proves it.

[Geneviev]

I didn't start with the evil thing. I don't believe that a person can be evil. Only their actions. Makeshift? Er... is my English just really bad or is it used incorrectly here? Anyways, self-defence is always justified. What we are discussing here is not self-defence though.

Yeah, my apologies. I’m using my ancient iPad Mini I right now, makeshift is a typo that should not be there.

Ah. I was confused. I'm on the Laptop That Works Okay Until It Doesn't.