Possible war with Syria?

[Saiwania]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/ ... 23479.html

It looks like it is happening to some extent. The US, UK, and France have hit Syrian targets.

[New Axiom]

Yeah cause that’s worked before.

And direct military intervention has?

Depends. In modern history, yes and no. Direct military intervention usually provides more direct and quicker results that just sitting back and yelling “he’s being mean!” If the United States were to simply condemn the Nazis, do you think they’d stop dropping bombs on London?

[Eol Sha]

Yeah cause that’s worked before.

And direct military intervention has?

Not since World War II and, arguably, Korea. Maybe Grenada.

[Mujahidah]

And direct military intervention has?

Not since World War II and, arguably, Korea. Maybe Grenada.

I'd say it worked pretty well in Korea. The South still exists. Its not the ideal end the US would have wanted, but its better than the alternative.

[Eol Sha]

Exactly. So, once again, I don't see what Russia gains out of helping the Houthi rebels.

Nothing much, save maybe scoring points with Iran and tying up the Saudis, who are quite solidly in the US's camp.

I don't know why the Russians would want to tie up the Saudis.

I think Russia has scored more than enough points with Iran.

[New Axiom]

And direct military intervention has?

Not since World War II and, arguably, Korea. Maybe Grenada.

It kinda worked in 1991 against Iraq.

[Geneviev]

And direct military intervention has?

Depends. In modern history, yes and no. Direct military intervention usually provides more direct and quicker results that just sitting back and yelling “he’s being mean!” If the United States were to simply condemn the Nazis, do you think they’d stop dropping bombs on London?

The United States failed to even condemn the Nazis for far too long. That doesn't justify getting the military involved in everything.

[Eol Sha]

Not since World War II and, arguably, Korea. Maybe Grenada.

I'd say it worked pretty well in Korea. The South still exists. Its not the ideal end the US would have wanted, but its better than the alternative.

Well, that's why I said arguably.

[New Axiom]

Depends. In modern history, yes and no. Direct military intervention usually provides more direct and quicker results that just sitting back and yelling “he’s being mean!” If the United States were to simply condemn the Nazis, do you think they’d stop dropping bombs on London?

The United States failed to even condemn the Nazis for far too long. That doesn't justify getting the military involved in everything.

So you think the US should’ve just stood back and watch Europe get covered in swastikas?

[Martian Alliance]

I'd say bombing and drones as we do now is considered a war. If Syria was killing your families to overthrow your tyrannical government would you call that a war?

[Geneviev]

The United States failed to even condemn the Nazis for far too long. That doesn't justify getting the military involved in everything.

So you think the US should’ve just stood back and watch Europe get covered in swastikas?

That's what they did until Pearl Harbor.

But my opinion is America should get rid of the swastikas here before anywhere else.

Also, assuming you're American, you're paying for this. Why would you want that? If it's ineffective, then it's taxpayer money that can go to education.

[Eol Sha]

Not since World War II and, arguably, Korea. Maybe Grenada.

It kinda worked in 1991 against Iraq.

Judging by the parameters of the mission, I'd say so, yeah.

[Eol Sha]

The United States failed to even condemn the Nazis for far too long. That doesn't justify getting the military involved in everything.

So you think the US should’ve just stood back and watch Europe get covered in swastikas?

Not to say I think we should have, but the American public wanted the war in the Pacific to be prioritized over Europe.

[Saiwania]

If any US aircraft get shot down over Syria, I won't be upset. We have to get knocked down a peg in order to not invade another country again. I'm pinning my hopes on Russia sending Syria their best SAMs. If their missiles are as good as rumored, it should keep Syria safe. There is no other way, US or anti-Assad assets- have to get obliterated in order for them to be scared off from attacking.

[New Axiom]

So you think the US should’ve just stood back and watch Europe get covered in swastikas?

That's what they did until Pearl Harbor.

But my opinion is America should get rid of the swastikas here before anywhere else.

Also, assuming you're American, you're paying for this. Why would you want that? If it's ineffective, then it's taxpayer money that can go to education.

This is true, but they did fund British and Soviet militaries pretty heavily, with the lend-lease program.

I am American, great assumption. But I’m not a politician, it’s not my place to decide where taxpayer money goes.

[Albrenia]

If any US aircraft get shot down over Syria, I won't be upset. We have to get knocked down a peg in order to not invade another country again. I'm pinning my hopes on Russia sending Syria their best SAMs. If their missiles are as good as rumored, it should keep Syria safe. There is no other way, US or anti-Assad assets- have to get obliterated in order for them to be scared off from attacking.

So you're actively hoping for US assets to be shot down? Damn...

I'd rather the strikes didn't happen, but I'm not going to be cheering for Assad or Putin. Thankfully it seems Putin may have had has bluff called and himself is knocked down a peg.

I may have been wrong about the strikes anyway, if it cripples Assad's chemical weaponry and has no other fringe negatives (like global thermonuclear war )

[Geneviev]

That's what they did until Pearl Harbor.

But my opinion is America should get rid of the swastikas here before anywhere else.

Also, assuming you're American, you're paying for this. Why would you want that? If it's ineffective, then it's taxpayer money that can go to education.

This is true, but they did fund British and Soviet militaries pretty heavily, with the lend-lease program.

I am American, great assumption. But I’m not a politician, it’s not my place to decide where taxpayer money goes.

Another assumption - this one has a greater chance of being mistaken - If you are of voting age, you can in fact choose where it goes. By voting. That is a freedom I don't have at the moment.

[New Axiom]

This is true, but they did fund British and Soviet militaries pretty heavily, with the lend-lease program.

I am American, great assumption. But I’m not a politician, it’s not my place to decide where taxpayer money goes.

Another assumption - this one has a greater chance of being mistaken - If you are of voting age, you can in fact choose where it goes. By voting. That is a freedom I don't have at the moment.

I am of age, in fact just recently becoming of so. So recently, in fact, I have yet to register for the voting privilege. However, maintaining a strong military budget is important, so I probably would not get to excited over tax votes, it’s alright for what it is where I live.

[Geneviev]

Another assumption - this one has a greater chance of being mistaken - If you are of voting age, you can in fact choose where it goes. By voting. That is a freedom I don't have at the moment.

I am of age, in fact just recently becoming of so. So recently, in fact, I have yet to register for the voting privilege. However, maintaining a strong military budget is important, so I probably would not get to excited over tax votes, it’s alright for what it is where I live.

I would add an argument here about how my school is currently receiving federal aid that we actually need, but that's enough of that. My point is that American military spending is like this:



You don't need any more. Focus on other things and stop bombing innocent victims.

[Rio Cana]

Found this news article from Japan titled "Putin unlikely to let a U.S. punitive strike in Syria go unanswered" -
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/ ... tGEc3MRfIU

[New Axiom]

I am of age, in fact just recently becoming of so. So recently, in fact, I have yet to register for the voting privilege. However, maintaining a strong military budget is important, so I probably would not get to excited over tax votes, it’s alright for what it is where I live.

I would add an argument here about how my school is currently receiving federal aid that we actually need, but that's enough of that. My point is that American military spending is like this:



You don't need any more. Focus on other things and stop bombing innocent victims.

Looks about where it should be.

From a very cynical point of view, at least some of that spending is actually being used and not sitting around collecting dust in an armory somewhere in the Midwest. However, currently, the ‘victims’ of the recent American attacks in Syria were arguably not innocent.

Edit: I am NOT defending killing innocent civilians.

[Geneviev]

I would add an argument here about how my school is currently receiving federal aid that we actually need, but that's enough of that. My point is that American military spending is like this:



You don't need any more. Focus on other things and stop bombing innocent victims.

Looks about where it should be.

From a very cynical point of view, at least some of that spending is actually being used and not sitting around collecting dust in an armory somewhere in the Midwest. However, currently, the ‘victims’ of the recent American attacks in Syria were arguably not innocent.

Edit: I am NOT defending killing innocent civilians.

Where it should be? Those numbers are ridiculous. We're not in WW3 yet. The innocent are always affected. These people had families, friends, people who cared about them. People who didn't do anything. Same with that "war on terror" and everything else.

[Mujahidah]

Looks about where it should be.

From a very cynical point of view, at least some of that spending is actually being used and not sitting around collecting dust in an armory somewhere in the Midwest. However, currently, the ‘victims’ of the recent American attacks in Syria were arguably not innocent.

Edit: I am NOT defending killing innocent civilians.

Where it should be? Those numbers are ridiculous. We're not in WW3 yet. The innocent are always affected. These people had families, friends, people who cared about them. People who didn't do anything. Same with that "war on terror" and everything else.

So did the victims of Assad's gas attacks. So do the victims of terrorism. Complacency with violence isn't noble, in my opinion.

[New Axiom]

Looks about where it should be.

From a very cynical point of view, at least some of that spending is actually being used and not sitting around collecting dust in an armory somewhere in the Midwest. However, currently, the ‘victims’ of the recent American attacks in Syria were arguably not innocent.

Edit: I am NOT defending killing innocent civilians.

Where it should be? Those numbers are ridiculous. We're not in WW3 yet. The innocent are always affected. These people had families, friends, people who cared about them. People who didn't do anything. Same with that "war on terror" and everything else.

I sleep very well at night knowing no ones going to attack America simply because of those refuculous nimbers. Yours logic seems slightly naive; everyone has a family, a mother, friends, whoever else. Troops on the battlefield, POTUS, those weapons officers that launched those cruise missiles that killed chemical engineers, enemy troops, etc. With that logic no one should die in war because everyone’s innocent, but that is a naive point of view, because of human nature, War will always be inevitable in any way shape or form, ever since Cain killed Abel.

[Geneviev]

Where it should be? Those numbers are ridiculous. We're not in WW3 yet. The innocent are always affected. These people had families, friends, people who cared about them. People who didn't do anything. Same with that "war on terror" and everything else.

So did the victims of Assad's gas attacks. So do the victims of terrorism. Complacency with violence isn't noble, in my opinion.

It's not complacency. What I want is not making a bad situation worse.