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War with Syria?

1-This an attempt by war Hawks to trigger a war, to demonstrate American military might.
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12%
2-This is an attempt by the military industrial complex to make money with another war.
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3-This is an attempt to engage in a proxy war with Russia.
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4-This is an attempt to trigger a war with Russia.
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5-Assad is merely evil, and it is our moral duty to take him out.
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6-Assad is evil, but we should stay out of the conflict.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:31 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Mostly likely they will be all talk and no action

How do you mean? All talk in Yemen?

They've made quite a bit of action already, with the air strikes and mercenaries.
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Postby Eol Sha » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:31 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:How do you mean? All talk in Yemen?


What action are they going to take against the US? Do you think Russia is suicidal?

I'm not entirely sure where you got the idea that I think the Russians are going to retaliate against the US.
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Postby Kramanica » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:32 pm

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Yes we fucking can.

We can and will fight. We kicked loads of ass before. We still can.

We just don't want to. Because war is a terrible thing.

You are actually making me pissed off.

Blind nationalism isn't a good look for you, Herp.

How is it blind nationalism that he has military links in his family?
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:33 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
What action are they going to take against the US? Do you think Russia is suicidal?

I'm not entirely sure where you got the idea that I think the Russians are going to retaliate against the US.

Half the thread thought that they would. So you can’t blame her for thinking that
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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:33 pm

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Eol Sha wrote:Blind nationalism isn't a good look for you, Herp.

How is it blind nationalism that he has military links in his family?


Also the Canadian military, though by no means American, isn't as derpy as people for some reason think it is. Their counter terrorism unit is pretty on point, if I recall correctly.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:33 pm

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Eol Sha wrote:Blind nationalism isn't a good look for you, Herp.

How is it blind nationalism that he has military links in his family?

As much fun as it would be, we're not doing "Canada! Fuck Yeah!" in this thread.
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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:33 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:Nukes ,when it comes to the nukes they would be under Russian control.

But another way Russia could get even would be to get involved in Yemen via military shipments. Arabia would not be too happy if that happened since that war has been dragging on.

Sounds like a waste of resources for little gain. Russia isn't the Soviet Union. Its resources are limited and its hands are full with the two conflicts its already involved itself in.


The weapons do not have to be modern state of the art weapons. They say the yemen rebels have been doing quite well with there second hand not that modern weapons. The thing is too keep Arabia on the defensive, wearing them down in the longrun.
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Postby Eol Sha » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:34 pm

Kramanica wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Blind nationalism isn't a good look for you, Herp.

How is it blind nationalism that he has military links in his family?

How was I supposed to know Herp has familiy members in the Canadian military. I'm not a psychic.

Its blind nationalism to think that Canada owes a lot of its safety to the United States. That'll be my last word on this topic. The mods have loomed.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:35 pm

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Albrenia wrote:
Dude, harsh. Although probably true.

And not the topic. Drop it.

Which is to say, neither Canada nor Herp is the topic here. Move on!
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Postby Eol Sha » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:39 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Sounds like a waste of resources for little gain. Russia isn't the Soviet Union. Its resources are limited and its hands are full with the two conflicts its already involved itself in.


The weapons do not have to be modern state of the art weapons. They say the yemen rebels have been doing quite well with there second hand not that modern weapons. The thing is too keep Arabia on the defensive, wearing them down in the longrun.

I'm not sure what Russia would gain by doing this. None of the Gulf states participated in these strikes.
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Postby Eol Sha » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:46 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I'm not entirely sure where you got the idea that I think the Russians are going to retaliate against the US.

Half the thread thought that they would. So you can’t blame her for thinking that

My biggest concern is what happens if and/or when the Syrian government shoots down an American plane should the White House order such an attack. I don't know how that story ends. Especially with this president.
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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:57 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:
The weapons do not have to be modern state of the art weapons. They say the yemen rebels have been doing quite well with there second hand not that modern weapons. The thing is too keep Arabia on the defensive, wearing them down in the longrun.

I'm not sure what Russia would gain by doing this. None of the Gulf states participated in these strikes.


Russia could say, stay out of Syria and they would stay out of Yemen. By the way, did you read this latest news from April 13 on Yemen - http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-0 ... 109645.htm
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Postby Geneviev » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:59 pm

Hakons wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I don't think it will ever be justified. I understand why people think it is justified, but it seems like fighting wrong with wrong.


Stopping brutal chemical attacks is not justified? Inaction on these matters makes the world worse, not better.

Stopping killing by killing is not quite right. It seems counterproductive.
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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:59 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Hakons wrote:
Stopping brutal chemical attacks is not justified? Inaction on these matters makes the world worse, not better.

Stopping killing by killing is not quite right. It seems counterproductive.


Sometimes its the only way to stop evil, though.
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Postby Geneviev » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:02 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Stopping killing by killing is not quite right. It seems counterproductive.


Sometimes its the only way to stop evil, though.

I'm not an expert, definitely. I have always buried myself more in religion and psychology than military-type subjects. But further attacks will not stop evil, only replace one evil with another. If America would condemn Assad from a distance without getting the military involved, that should be enough to be morally superior without escalating the situation.
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Postby Maineiacs » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:03 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Half the thread thought that they would. So you can’t blame her for thinking that

My biggest concern is what happens if and/or when the Syrian government shoots down an American plane should the White House order such an attack. I don't know how that story ends. Especially with this president.



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Postby New Axiom » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:06 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Sometimes its the only way to stop evil, though.

I'm not an expert, definitely. I have always buried myself more in religion and psychology than military-type subjects. But further attacks will not stop evil, only replace one evil with another. If America would condemn Assad from a distance without getting the military involved, that should be enough to be morally superior without escalating the situation.


Yeah cause that’s worked before.
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Postby Eol Sha » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:08 pm

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Eol Sha wrote:I'm not sure what Russia would gain by doing this. None of the Gulf states participated in these strikes.


Russia could say, stay out of Syria and they would stay out of Yemen. By the way, did you read this latest news from April 13 on Yemen - http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-0 ... 109645.htm

I don't think the Gulf states are fighting in Yemen because Russia is propping up Assad.
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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:09 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:
Russia could say, stay out of Syria and they would stay out of Yemen. By the way, did you read this latest news from April 13 on Yemen - http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-0 ... 109645.htm

I don't think the Gulf states are fighting in Yemen because Russia is propping up Assad.


Yemen has more to do with Saudi Arabia and Iran's constant machinations to see who can be the regional power of the ME.
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Postby The Hierophancy » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:10 pm

New Axiom wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I'm not an expert, definitely. I have always buried myself more in religion and psychology than military-type subjects. But further attacks will not stop evil, only replace one evil with another. If America would condemn Assad from a distance without getting the military involved, that should be enough to be morally superior without escalating the situation.


Yeah cause that’s worked before.

And direct military intervention has?

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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:11 pm

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New Axiom wrote:
Yeah cause that’s worked before.

And direct military intervention has?


There's quite a few positions on the dial between "Express our earnest disapproval" and "Literal Invasion"
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Postby Geneviev » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:11 pm

New Axiom wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I'm not an expert, definitely. I have always buried myself more in religion and psychology than military-type subjects. But further attacks will not stop evil, only replace one evil with another. If America would condemn Assad from a distance without getting the military involved, that should be enough to be morally superior without escalating the situation.


Yeah cause that’s worked before.

By what I was taught, it works just as well as drone strikes on Pakistan. It just will make less people dislike America.
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It is unconfirmed, and from "Hezbollah sources" which are less than reliable, as actual Hezbollah sources tend not to go blabbing to journalists.

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Postby Eol Sha » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:12 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I don't think the Gulf states are fighting in Yemen because Russia is propping up Assad.


Yemen has more to do with Saudi Arabia and Iran's constant machinations to see who can be the regional power of the ME.

Exactly. So, once again, I don't see what Russia gains out of helping the Houthi rebels.
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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:12 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Yemen has more to do with Saudi Arabia and Iran's constant machinations to see who can be the regional power of the ME.

Exactly. So, once again, I don't see what Russia gains out of helping the Houthi rebels.


Nothing much, save maybe scoring points with Iran and tying up the Saudis, who are quite solidly in the US's camp.
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