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14th Malaysian General Election Superthread II

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Which party would you vote for?

Barisan Nasional
6
12%
Pakatan Harapan
31
63%
Gagasan Sejahtera
3
6%
Independent
1
2%
Other
5
10%
Not voting
3
6%
 
Total votes : 49

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14th Malaysian General Election Superthread II

Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:11 pm

So this thread is the 2nd incarnation of the 1st thread by the same name. Imma copy/paste what OP put down:
United Malayan Territories:
I've decided to make a poll on the upcoming Malaysian General Election, to see which party/coalition has the most popular support. The date for the election has not yet been decided, but will be held within 2017/18.

I've decided to vote for the four-party coalition, Pakatan Harapan, because I am very unsatisfied with the current corrupt ways of the governing party, Barisan Nasional, ever since I've entered the political arena.

What are your thoughts? Who will you vote for this time?

Also, a general summary of the parties in the election for those who aren't from Malaysia.

Barisan Nasional
Barisan Nasional (National Front) is the current governing party in Malaysia. They are a right-wing political party in Malaysia that was founded in 1973 as a coalition of right-wing and center parties. In state level, it is also the largest party in the 10 of 13 state legislative assemblies of Malaysia. The party is based on the principles of Malay Nationalism and Conservatism. The party garners its support mostly from rural areas in Malaysia. However, they were known for many corruption cases, with the most recent and biggest case, 1MDB.

Pakatan Harapan
Pakatan Harapan (Coalition of Hope) is the main opposition coalition in Malaysia, consisting of four parties. The coalition focuses on a centre-left position in the political spectrum. The coalition is also the largest party in two state legislative assemblies, Selangor and Pulau Pinang. The coalition has a rather liberal and secular stance, with also being partially socialist. The coalition gains support from urban areas, Chinese ethnics, and the younger voters in Malaysia.

Gagasan Sejahtera
Gagasan Sejahtera (Harmonious Might) is a coalition of Islamist parties in Malaysia, mainly monopolized by the Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party (PAS). The coalition has a right-wing stance and is mainly based on Conservatism and Islamism. The coalition controls one state legislative assembly, Kelantan. The coalition gains its support from the elderly and religious voters in rural parts of Malaysia.


If I lived in Malaysia and registered to vote, I'd vote for Gagasan Sejahtera. They are an Islamist group that wants to secure the rights of Muslims and want to bring Malaysia back to Al-Islam. May Allah (SWT) bless and may Allah (SWT) help them to do right according to the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah, aameen. I hope they win!

But what do y'all think, NSG? Who would you vote for? If you live in Malaysia, who are you voting for?
P.S., the latest Gagasan Sejahtera news:
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/ ... sejahtera/
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... Awihl068Be
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malay ... erak-seats
https://www.malaysia-today.net/2018/03/ ... manifesto/
GS website: http://gagasansejahtera.my
GS Blogspot: http://gagasansejahtera.blogspot.com
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:28 am

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Apr 28, 2018 7:42 am

I meant to put the poll up once I made this thread, but forgot and didn't know how. But I got now, sorry for the delay. Now y'all can vote!
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:51 am

I agree with United Malayan Territories. Pakatan Harapan is the best choice.

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:55 am

We all know who is going to win though and it's shameful. Malaysia is honestly a very beautiful country but I worry about it a lot. The programs meant to balance the ethnic and income inequalities have only driven further divisions between the Malays and the Chinese (as well as Indians and Indonesians there) and the the tilt of Malay Islam towards Saudi Islam (Wahhabism) is equally as concerning as I feel it's losing part of it's cultural identity and in danger of becoming a breeding ground for radicalization. Hopefully global economic growth will keep stability there. Because a downturn in Malaysia would be catastrophic on several different levels.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:59 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:We all know who is going to win though and it's shameful. Malaysia is honestly a very beautiful country but I worry about it a lot. The programs meant to balance the ethnic and income inequalities have only driven further divisions between the Malays and the Chinese (as well as Indians and Indonesians there) and the the tilt of Malay Islam towards Saudi Islam (Wahhabism) is equally as concerning as I feel it's losing part of it's cultural identity and in danger of becoming a breeding ground for radicalization. Hopefully global economic growth will keep stability there. Because a downturn in Malaysia would be catastrophic on several different levels.

There's no such thing as Malay Islam and Saudi Islam.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:03 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:We all know who is going to win though and it's shameful. Malaysia is honestly a very beautiful country but I worry about it a lot. The programs meant to balance the ethnic and income inequalities have only driven further divisions between the Malays and the Chinese (as well as Indians and Indonesians there) and the the tilt of Malay Islam towards Saudi Islam (Wahhabism) is equally as concerning as I feel it's losing part of it's cultural identity and in danger of becoming a breeding ground for radicalization. Hopefully global economic growth will keep stability there. Because a downturn in Malaysia would be catastrophic on several different levels.

There's no such thing as Malay Islam and Saudi Islam.


Like Christianity, each country has had a unique affect on their respective religions. Spanish Catholics differ from American Catholics, for example. The Saudis have been exporting their version of Islam nearly everywhere predominantly Muslim for the last some 30 years. And what's happening is it's destroying the unique version of Islam that exists in places like Malaysia or Kosovo and replacing it with an outside version of it that frankly encourages radicalization.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:18 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:There's no such thing as Malay Islam and Saudi Islam.


Like Christianity, each country has had a unique affect on their respective religions. Spanish Catholics differ from American Catholics, for example. The Saudis have been exporting their version of Islam nearly everywhere predominantly Muslim for the last some 30 years. And what's happening is it's destroying the unique version of Islam that exists in places like Malaysia or Kosovo and replacing it with an outside version of it that frankly encourages radicalization.

There is no such thing as a national Islam. Al-Islam is Al-Islam fro the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:20 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Like Christianity, each country has had a unique affect on their respective religions. Spanish Catholics differ from American Catholics, for example. The Saudis have been exporting their version of Islam nearly everywhere predominantly Muslim for the last some 30 years. And what's happening is it's destroying the unique version of Islam that exists in places like Malaysia or Kosovo and replacing it with an outside version of it that frankly encourages radicalization.

There is no such thing as a national Islam. Al-Islam is Al-Islam fro the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah.


That is quite literally horse shit. Islam has different sects that originated in different places and have some minor and some significant differences.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:51 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:There is no such thing as a national Islam. Al-Islam is Al-Islam fro the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah.


That is quite literally horse shit. Islam has different sects that originated in different places and have some minor and some significant differences.

Al-Islam is from the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah, not a nation. What people do has no bearing on the Deen if their beliefs do not line up with the Deen.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu May 03, 2018 3:16 pm

Uh-oh, trouble for Gagasan Sehjahtera :( : https://www.malaysiakini.com/news/422736
In other GS news (also shows other party news): http://www.mysinchew.com/node/119558, https://sg.news.yahoo.com/malay-support ... 34495.html
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Postby Valgora » Thu May 03, 2018 3:28 pm

After some reading about the parties:
I've decided that if I did live there, I would vote for the Socialist Party of Malaysia
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Postby Of Herbshire » Tue May 08, 2018 6:39 pm

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Tue May 08, 2018 7:46 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
That is quite literally horse shit. Islam has different sects that originated in different places and have some minor and some significant differences.

Al-Islam is from the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah, not a nation. What people do has no bearing on the Deen if their beliefs do not line up with the Deen.


No.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed May 09, 2018 3:25 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Al-Islam is from the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah, not a nation. What people do has no bearing on the Deen if their beliefs do not line up with the Deen.


No.

"No" to what?
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Postby Esperantujo 2 » Wed May 09, 2018 7:38 am

I would vote Socialist. I can see the attraction of voting for a centre-left coalition including communalist parties, but I also see the dangers.

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Postby Sovaal » Wed May 09, 2018 7:40 am

Anything besides the religious party.
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Postby Of Herbshire » Wed May 09, 2018 8:55 am

Any official results of the election, yet?
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Postby Tinhampton » Wed May 09, 2018 9:37 am

Of Herbshire wrote:Any official results of the election, yet?

No official results, but the PH seem to be beating the BN et al. right now.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Wed May 09, 2018 12:29 pm

I guess getting the four-legged PM back into politics and running for them was the only way PH could ever get past the gerrymandering. Now my hope would be that they'll change the electoral map to make it more representative of the popular vote... but I am under no illusions that this will actually happen.
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Postby Crylante » Wed May 09, 2018 12:46 pm

PH looks good.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Wed May 09, 2018 12:49 pm

As much as I don't like Pakatan Harapan, I believe it's the best choice in this election (That has any chance anyways). Especially considering how much Malaysia is in the political toilet recently.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 09, 2018 12:52 pm

Seems to be official, the end of an era in Malaysia. PH has won a majority in parliament. Hopefully they use this opportunity to end the ridiculous gerrymandering that makes what we have in my country look like nothing.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/malaysias- ... 1525890131
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Postby San Lumen » Wed May 09, 2018 1:19 pm

and now its official. According to the BBC the PH has won 115 seats securing them a majority. They should use this opportunity to end the gerrymandering.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44036178

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Postby Major-Tom » Wed May 09, 2018 1:21 pm

Excellent news for Malaysia. The PH's parliamentary leader is 92, however, so hopefully he can rule with competence.

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