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Gun Control n Stuff - Only 2 Options Pick Carefully

If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
562
51%
Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
175
16%
I'm lame and choose not to use a poll with wild stereotypes about both sides because I'm lame
370
33%
 
Total votes : 1107

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:31 am

Barboneia wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
I did laugh when I saw that pic.
Ran across a Heavy.com article on the guy, seems he was in the Army.

Brian Clyde: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
The dude seems all kinds of fucked in the head, while reading the article.

So basically from what I’ve seen the guy was trying to kickstart the boogaloo or at least do something to gain notoriety, and instead all he’s probably ended up achieving is kickstarting/reinforcing/whatever the gun control debates here in the US. what a sperg.


Kickstarting the gun debate even more is a pretty solid way of trying to start the Boogaloo tbh

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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:16 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Licana wrote:
Image

You can tell this guy was a cosplay larper, he looks like an extra getting surprised by an amateur camera.


I did laugh when I saw that pic.
Ran across a Heavy.com article on the guy, seems he was in the Army.
“Private 1st Class Clyde served as an infantryman in the Army from August 2015 to February 2017,” William J. Sharp, public affairs officer for the U.S. Army, confirmed to Heavy.
He also posted memes that reference the so-called incel movement

Brian Clyde: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
The dude seems all kinds of fucked in the head, while reading the article.

Naturally, the mental health angle will be completely ignored by the mainstream news.
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Postby The Chuck » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:59 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
I did laugh when I saw that pic.
Ran across a Heavy.com article on the guy, seems he was in the Army.

Brian Clyde: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
The dude seems all kinds of fucked in the head, while reading the article.

Naturally, the mental health angle will be completely ignored by the mainstream news.


Or if it's even glanced at, it will be "People are unstable, take away the guns!"
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:02 am

Well lookie here, 3 fascists hate the 1st Amendment as much as they hate the 2nd Amendment, Although I'm not all that shocked since they hate enumerated rights or despise them, let alone trying to put a genie back in a bottle that has been roaming free since the founding of this country.
Legislation would outlaw the distribution of blueprints for 3D printed firearms
Sens. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) and Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) and Rep. Ted Deutch (D-FL) introduced legislation last week that would make it illegal to distribute online blueprints and instructions that detail how to automatically program a 3D printer to produce or manufacture a firearm.

Yes, lets introduce legislation that will harm a part of the economy all because of a hate boner for anything freedom related for a problem or harm that doesn't exist.
3D printed firearms are made out of plastic. This makes them untraceable because they do not have serial numbers. It also means they can bypass metal detectors at security checkpoints.

This right here is complete bullshit, I cannot believe that anyone would believe this.

The bill was cosponsored by more than 50 senators and representatives

In other words, 50 fucking fascists that hate enumerated rights and freedom.

And then there is this fucking inbred halfwit.
Swalwell’s Latest Gun Control Proposal: Universal Gun Registration, Gun Rationing, 200-Round Ammo Limit

So, what sort of gun control will cure the ills that lurk in the 2% of American counties that have 51% of the murders?

A 48-hour cooling-off period between the time a person purchases a firearm and the time they take possession of it.

As a resident of Illinois, I love when they make me wait 72 hours to pick up a new gun purchase as a “cooling off period” when I’m already carrying not one, but two loaded guns on my person. Makes perfect sense, right?

Implement background checks for all firearm and ammunition purchases.

Because criminals never steal their guns.

Require that liability insurance be purchased before a person can buy, trade, or otherwise receive a firearm.

Such an animal doesn’t currently exist. Seems insurance companies don’t like to cover willful torts…and finding a home intruder in your teenage daughter’s bedroom with his pants down and then shooting him six times is certainly no accident.

Create a national firearm registry that is linked to individual firearms, and require that all purchases, transfers, and donations of firearms be mandatorily registered.

That worked well for the Jews in 1930s Germany, didn’t it? Or the Russians in Stalin’s early days. Or Cambodians, or Chinese. And in each and every one of those cases, no doubt people said ‘genocide could never happen here.’ Until it did.

Prohibit individuals from purchasing more than one handgun per 30-day period.

Gun rationing! Maybe we could limit the Washington Post to one issue per 30-day period.

Prohibit the online sale of ammunition.

Because they didn’t have the Internet back in the 1780s.

Ban and buy back bump stocks, large-capacity magazines that are capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition, and silencers.

Wait, didn’t we already ban “bump stocks”?

Prohibit individuals from hoarding ammunition in quantities exceeding 200 rounds per caliber or gauge.

Two hundred rounds? Attending a Project Appleseed event requires about 400 rounds of ammo. The class for school teachers that GSL Defense Training just put on had students shooting 250 rounds. And don’t get me started on Mas Ayoob’s 1000-round classes. Or other nationally known instructors who burn through even more in a single class.

Repealing the Protection for Lawful Commerce in Guns Act.

Perhaps we can sue carmakers for criminal acts committed by people who use their products as well? Or breweries. How about suing Congresscritters who vote for unconstitutional laws?

Prohibit states from arming teachers.

Because we wouldn’t want to protect our precious children with armed good guys like we protect Congress with armed security.

Here is the deal: With the exception of repeal of the Protection for Lawful Commerce in Guns Act, I don’t see a single one of Swalwell’s proposals lasting through a Supreme Court challenge.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:17 am

How about the equivalent of a poll tax to exercise an enumerated negative right?
Dems Push Mandatory Permits for Handgun Purchases
The legislation, backed by Dems in both the House and Senate, would encourage more states to adopt licensing schemes like Connecticut’s handgun purchasing law, which requires a special renewable permit to purchase any revolver or pistol. Dubbed the Handgun Purchaser Licensing Act, the bill was introduced by U.S. Sen. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland and Senators Richard Blumenthal and Chris Murphy of Connecticut along with U.S. Reps. Jahana Hayes, D-Conn and Jamie Raskin, D-Md.


Hey look, more fascist oath breaking, wankstained shitbricks who have no business being in Congress, then again, blumenthal is use to being a faker and an oath breaker.
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I prefer Dangerous Freedom over peaceful slavery! Sic Semper Tyrannis!
Gun-Control is the belief that declawing the cat will protect it against other animals; also why are anti-gun people so violent?
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery!
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:40 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:How about the equivalent of a poll tax to exercise an enumerated negative right?
Dems Push Mandatory Permits for Handgun Purchases
The legislation, backed by Dems in both the House and Senate, would encourage more states to adopt licensing schemes like Connecticut’s handgun purchasing law, which requires a special renewable permit to purchase any revolver or pistol. Dubbed the Handgun Purchaser Licensing Act, the bill was introduced by U.S. Sen. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland and Senators Richard Blumenthal and Chris Murphy of Connecticut along with U.S. Reps. Jahana Hayes, D-Conn and Jamie Raskin, D-Md.


Hey look, more fascist oath breaking, wankstained shitbricks who have no business being in Congress, then again, blumenthal is use to being a faker and an oath breaker.

Didn't they bitch about that when they accused republicans of the same thing except with voting? Talking about the pot calling the kettle black
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:21 am

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:How about the equivalent of a poll tax to exercise an enumerated negative right?
Dems Push Mandatory Permits for Handgun Purchases


Hey look, more fascist oath breaking, wankstained shitbricks who have no business being in Congress, then again, blumenthal is use to being a faker and an oath breaker.

Didn't they bitch about that when they accused republicans of the same thing except with voting? Talking about the pot calling the kettle black


This is why I don't give a fuck about poll taxes. Turnabout's fair play.
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Postby Pax Nerdvana » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:39 am

Grinning Dragon wrote:Well lookie here, 3 fascists hate the 1st Amendment as much as they hate the 2nd Amendment, Although I'm not all that shocked since they hate enumerated rights or despise them, let alone trying to put a genie back in a bottle that has been roaming free since the founding of this country.
Legislation would outlaw the distribution of blueprints for 3D printed firearms
Sens. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) and Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) and Rep. Ted Deutch (D-FL) introduced legislation last week that would make it illegal to distribute online blueprints and instructions that detail how to automatically program a 3D printer to produce or manufacture a firearm.

Yes, lets introduce legislation that will harm a part of the economy all because of a hate boner for anything freedom related for a problem or harm that doesn't exist.
3D printed firearms are made out of plastic. This makes them untraceable because they do not have serial numbers. It also means they can bypass metal detectors at security checkpoints.

This right here is complete bullshit, I cannot believe that anyone would believe this.

The bill was cosponsored by more than 50 senators and representatives

In other words, 50 fucking fascists that hate enumerated rights and freedom.

And then there is this fucking inbred halfwit.
Swalwell’s Latest Gun Control Proposal: Universal Gun Registration, Gun Rationing, 200-Round Ammo Limit

So, what sort of gun control will cure the ills that lurk in the 2% of American counties that have 51% of the murders?

A 48-hour cooling-off period between the time a person purchases a firearm and the time they take possession of it.

As a resident of Illinois, I love when they make me wait 72 hours to pick up a new gun purchase as a “cooling off period” when I’m already carrying not one, but two loaded guns on my person. Makes perfect sense, right?

Implement background checks for all firearm and ammunition purchases.

Because criminals never steal their guns.

Require that liability insurance be purchased before a person can buy, trade, or otherwise receive a firearm.

Such an animal doesn’t currently exist. Seems insurance companies don’t like to cover willful torts…and finding a home intruder in your teenage daughter’s bedroom with his pants down and then shooting him six times is certainly no accident.

Create a national firearm registry that is linked to individual firearms, and require that all purchases, transfers, and donations of firearms be mandatorily registered.

That worked well for the Jews in 1930s Germany, didn’t it? Or the Russians in Stalin’s early days. Or Cambodians, or Chinese. And in each and every one of those cases, no doubt people said ‘genocide could never happen here.’ Until it did.

Prohibit individuals from purchasing more than one handgun per 30-day period.

Gun rationing! Maybe we could limit the Washington Post to one issue per 30-day period.

Prohibit the online sale of ammunition.

Because they didn’t have the Internet back in the 1780s.

Ban and buy back bump stocks, large-capacity magazines that are capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition, and silencers.

Wait, didn’t we already ban “bump stocks”?

Prohibit individuals from hoarding ammunition in quantities exceeding 200 rounds per caliber or gauge.

Two hundred rounds? Attending a Project Appleseed event requires about 400 rounds of ammo. The class for school teachers that GSL Defense Training just put on had students shooting 250 rounds. And don’t get me started on Mas Ayoob’s 1000-round classes. Or other nationally known instructors who burn through even more in a single class.

Repealing the Protection for Lawful Commerce in Guns Act.

Perhaps we can sue carmakers for criminal acts committed by people who use their products as well? Or breweries. How about suing Congresscritters who vote for unconstitutional laws?

Prohibit states from arming teachers.

Because we wouldn’t want to protect our precious children with armed good guys like we protect Congress with armed security.

Here is the deal: With the exception of repeal of the Protection for Lawful Commerce in Guns Act, I don’t see a single one of Swalwell’s proposals lasting through a Supreme Court challenge.

I hope the Supreme Court throws these laws off the top of the Washington Monument.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:43 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Well lookie here, 3 fascists hate the 1st Amendment as much as they hate the 2nd Amendment, Although I'm not all that shocked since they hate enumerated rights or despise them, let alone trying to put a genie back in a bottle that has been roaming free since the founding of this country.
Legislation would outlaw the distribution of blueprints for 3D printed firearms

Yes, lets introduce legislation that will harm a part of the economy all because of a hate boner for anything freedom related for a problem or harm that doesn't exist.

This right here is complete bullshit, I cannot believe that anyone would believe this.


In other words, 50 fucking fascists that hate enumerated rights and freedom.

And then there is this fucking inbred halfwit.
Swalwell’s Latest Gun Control Proposal: Universal Gun Registration, Gun Rationing, 200-Round Ammo Limit


I hope the Supreme Court throws these laws off the top of the Washington Monument.

not high enough how about they toss them off of the Freedom Tower that stands for freedom over tyranny.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:08 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I hope the Supreme Court throws these laws off the top of the Washington Monument.

not high enough how about they toss them off of the Freedom Tower that stands for freedom over tyranny.

Drop them from a B-52, the official delivery vehicle of FreedomTM.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:02 pm


At first I thought that nobody at the DMV could spell, then I read the original document and realized that this article must have been written by a blind person...
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What a bunch of crap. I'm glad I live on the opposite side of the country.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:58 am

Pax Nerdvana wrote:

What a bunch of crap. I'm glad I live on the opposite side of the country.


New York just became the 14th state to allow Illegal Aliens to obtain drivers licenses, which means that the underlining issues causing these problems for legal gun owners will likely be spreading.

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:27 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:What a bunch of crap. I'm glad I live on the opposite side of the country.


New York just became the 14th state to allow Illegal Aliens to obtain drivers licenses, which means that the underlining issues causing these problems for legal gun owners will likely be spreading.

I wouldn't mind losing New York to the British it will be one less freedom hating state to deal with.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:41 am

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Prohibit states from arming teachers.

Because we wouldn’t want to protect our precious children with armed good guys like we protect Congress with armed security.

No, this one is good.
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Kowani wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Prohibit states from arming teachers.

Because we wouldn’t want to protect our precious children with armed good guys like we protect Congress with armed security.

No, this one is good.

Are you still riding the "government's gonna start issuing sidearms to teachers" wagon?
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:16 am

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Kowani wrote:No, this one is good.

Are you still riding the "government's gonna start issuing sidearms to teachers" wagon?

No, I’m riding the “teachers shouldn’t be armed in schools” bus.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:21 am

Kowani wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Are you still riding the "government's gonna start issuing sidearms to teachers" wagon?

No, I’m riding the “teachers shouldn’t be armed in schools” bus.

Why shouldn't a teacher who wants to voluntarily carry a gun and passes all the required safety training be allowed to do so?
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:24 am

Kowani wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Are you still riding the "government's gonna start issuing sidearms to teachers" wagon?

No, I’m riding the “teachers shouldn’t be armed in schools” bus.

Why?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:26 am

Scomagia wrote:
Kowani wrote:No, I’m riding the “teachers shouldn’t be armed in schools” bus.

Why?

I bet I know why, let's see if I'm right...
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:30 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Kowani wrote:No, I’m riding the “teachers shouldn’t be armed in schools” bus.

Why shouldn't a teacher who wants to voluntarily carry a gun and passes all the required safety training be allowed to do so?

Teachers work in high stress environments under bad conditions and terrible pay-do you really think that’s a good combination with a bunch of annoying kids?

And that’s not getting into the problem of kids stealing the gun, teachers using it to pressure their students into certain situations, and how accessible it’d have to be to be useful in a shooting situation.
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:34 am

Kowani wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Why shouldn't a teacher who wants to voluntarily carry a gun and passes all the required safety training be allowed to do so?

Teachers work in high stress environments under bad conditions and terrible pay-do you really think that’s a good combination with a bunch of annoying kids?

And that’s not getting into the problem of kids stealing the gun, teachers using it to pressure their students into certain situations, and how accessible it’d have to be to be useful in a shooting situation.

Your first point is stupid. The vast majority of people do not respond to stress and lousy pay with homicide.

A locked desk or using a holster solves both accessibility issues and teachers already are in a position to pressure kids, a gun does little to increase their persuasion beyond their already larger bodies. So, that'd be three strikes. Next batter!
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:49 am

Kowani wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Why shouldn't a teacher who wants to voluntarily carry a gun and passes all the required safety training be allowed to do so?

Teachers work in high stress environments under bad conditions and terrible pay-do you really think that’s a good combination with a bunch of annoying kids?

And that’s not getting into the problem of kids stealing the gun, teachers using it to pressure their students into certain situations, and how accessible it’d have to be to be useful in a shooting situation.

Called it!

You do know that CCW holders are statistically proven to be less likely to commit a crime, right?
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:38 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Why shouldn't a teacher who wants to voluntarily carry a gun and passes all the required safety training be allowed to do so?

Teachers work in high stress environments under bad conditions and terrible pay-do you really think that’s a good combination with a bunch of annoying kids....


So by this logic, you must think that police, security forces, and soldiers shouldn't be armed as well.

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