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If my neighbors dog craps on my lawn I have a god-given right to respond with the use of force up to and including recreational nuclear warheads
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50%
Guns are literally the embodiment of all evil ever created by mankind, and when the last gun is finally destroyed the entire world will be at peace
210
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I'm lame and choose not to use a poll with wild stereotypes about both sides because I'm lame
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Postby Kernen » Fri May 17, 2019 5:39 pm

Bautios wrote:As you can tell from my nation's "Liberal Democratic Socialism" categorization and my gun control policy, I am pretty anti-gun, that said, I do believe that hunters should get a licsence to own a firearm, and that everyday guns should be replaced with non-lethal and quick-acting tranquilizers. Bash me all you want, I can tell that this forum is pretty pro-gun, but I want to know your thoughts on my opinion. Thanks

Tranquilizers can be just as lethal, with none of the benefits a bullet provides. Like stopping power.

Non-lethals don't stop bad guys nearly as effectively.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Fri May 17, 2019 5:46 pm

Bautios wrote:As you can tell from my nation's "Liberal Democratic Socialism" categorization and my gun control policy, I am pretty anti-gun, that said, I do believe that hunters should get a licsence to own a firearm, and that everyday guns should be replaced with non-lethal and quick-acting tranquilizers. Bash me all you want, I can tell that this forum is pretty pro-gun, but I want to know your thoughts on my opinion. Thanks


The right to own guns, and other weaponry, is not limited to hunting implements.

It's the right to own weapons of war.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri May 17, 2019 6:00 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Bautios wrote:As you can tell from my nation's "Liberal Democratic Socialism" categorization and my gun control policy, I am pretty anti-gun, that said, I do believe that hunters should get a licsence to own a firearm, and that everyday guns should be replaced with non-lethal and quick-acting tranquilizers. Bash me all you want, I can tell that this forum is pretty pro-gun, but I want to know your thoughts on my opinion. Thanks


The right to own guns, and other weaponry, is not limited to hunting implements.

It's the right to own weapons of war.

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Postby The Chuck » Fri May 17, 2019 6:06 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
The right to own guns, and other weaponry, is not limited to hunting implements.

It's the right to own weapons of war.

Daily reminder that the Founding Fathers wanted civilians to own battleships.


Part of Section 1, Article 8 of the U.S. Constitution brother... Letters of Marque and Reprisal...

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;


*grabs armed naval vessel*

"Shall not be infringed..." :P

In all seriousness, I do wonder how that would impact the US and foreign relations if the govt. did start issuing letter of Marque and Reprisal and started making civilians privateers in the modern world to combat enemies of the nation. We already have P.M.C.s that do that sort of thing but it would be interesting especially when it comes to the second amendment.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Fri May 17, 2019 11:22 pm

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Hurtful Thoughts wrote:But what if we did?


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"Shall not be infringed"

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat May 18, 2019 6:21 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
*fills up car with driving intent*

"Shall not be infringed"

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat May 18, 2019 6:32 am

I mean, just shooting your dog yourself might just be easier on everyone involved.

:lol:

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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sat May 18, 2019 10:45 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:I mean, just shooting your dog yourself might just be easier on everyone involved.

:lol:

yeah but then Congress will frown upon that and might take your guns away
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Postby Kowani » Sat May 18, 2019 11:42 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:I mean, just shooting your dog yourself might just be easier on everyone involved.

:lol:

yeah but then Congress will frown upon that and might take your guns away

To be fair, someone who just kills an innocent animal for no reason is not the kind of person you want armed…
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Postby The Chuck » Sat May 18, 2019 11:58 pm

Kowani wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:yeah but then Congress will frown upon that and might take your guns away

To be fair, someone who just kills an innocent animal for no reason is not the kind of person you want armed…


It's a reference to the BATFE. In many online firearms communities, they use dark humor about how the ATF will shoot your pup when they show up due to prior incidents/etc.
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 19, 2019 12:27 am

The Chuck wrote:
Kowani wrote:To be fair, someone who just kills an innocent animal for no reason is not the kind of person you want armed…


It's a reference to the BATFE. In many online firearms communities, they use dark humor about how the ATF will shoot your pup when they show up due to prior incidents/etc.

Ah, I see.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun May 19, 2019 5:24 am

Kowani wrote:
The Chuck wrote:
It's a reference to the BATFE. In many online firearms communities, they use dark humor about how the ATF will shoot your pup when they show up due to prior incidents/etc.

Ah, I see.

Well... Apparently dogs don't like ATF agents and the feeling is mutual.

It actually stems from "dat SWAT TEAM SPEC-OPS TRAINING" (not my use of caps... or emphasis...) where it was deemed safer to shoot pets (sentry-doggos) rather than let them alert the owner to your presence, or later interfere with detaining the owners.

Ofc, in the original guidelines it also recommended killing small children and detroying survaillence equipment for the same reason.

Kinda why it's a bad idea to lift your "tactics" from a spec-ops field-manual written in the Vietnam-war "hush-puppy" era.
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Postby Crockerland » Sun May 19, 2019 11:13 am

Bautios wrote:I do believe that hunters should get a licsence to own a firearm, and that everyday guns should be replaced with non-lethal and quick-acting tranquilizers. Bash me all you want, I can tell that this forum is pretty pro-gun, but I want to know your thoughts on my opinion. Thanks

So you want people who want to own guns to kill small animals for fun to be armed, but not people who want to own guns to defend themselves from violence and crime. Wonderful.

And yes, everywhere that guns are discussed, unless it's a propaganda forum that bans people for disagreeing (like an anti-gun subreddit or something), the discussion will almost always end up overwhelmingly pro-gun, this is because anyone who knows about guns is, 999 times out of 1000, very pro-gun. It's similar to how anyone who knows anything about GMOs, vaccines, nuclear power, etc. tend to be overwhelmingly on one side of those debates.

Paying attention to a gun debate thread long enough to form a vocal bloc would generally require that the opponents of rights be faced with facts such as:
  • Every major proponent of gun control in politics is protected by armed bodyguards, with guns, 24/7
  • CCW holders commit less crime than the general population and police officers
  • You are more likely to die from a spacecraft/airplane crash, or from accidentally strangling yourself, than a school shooting, despite the latter apparently being an epidemic compelling us to burn the Constitution and surrender all rights to make it stop
  • We have had mass shootings since the 1830s and the attempts to blame modern guns or "assault weapons" for the existence of mass shootings, or suggest banning them would put a stop to such shootings, is absurd
  • Gun control in the United States has always been based off of what guns look scary rather than any mechanical factors, going back to the 1930s when short-barreled shotguns were banned from regular civilian ownership without approval from the ATF just because they were used by mafiosos, despite not being any more destructive than a regular shotgun.
  • The "gun show loophole" does not exist
And many more. Being anti-gun comes closer and closer to being totally indefensible the more arguments from both sides you hear. By all means do watch Democrat politicians advocating for gun bans, they embarrass themselves constantly, making it obvious many of them have no idea what they're talking about, or aiming guns at people, or making bizarre claims like that toy guns are more regulated than real guns.

Listening to what anti-gunners and pro-gunners have to say on guns will make you extremely pro-gun.
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Postby Licana » Sun May 19, 2019 11:26 am

Bautios wrote:everyday guns should be replaced with non-lethal and quick-acting tranquilizers.


That's a good meme I haven't seen in a while.
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Puzikas wrote:Gulf War One was like Slapstick: The War. Except, you know, up to 40,000 people died.

Vitaphone Racing wrote:Never in all my years have I seen someone actually quote the dictionary and still get the definition wrong.

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Vitaphone Racing wrote:Do lets. I really want to hear another explanation about dirty vaginas keeping women out of combat, despite the vagina being a self-cleaning organ.

So was the M-16.

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Good for the Swiss.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun May 19, 2019 3:14 pm

Kowani wrote:

Good for the Swiss.

Restrictions on rights are always bad.
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Northern Davincia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Good for the Swiss.

Restrictions on rights are always bad.

Nah.
Rights are what society decides they are, nothing more-and it seems that the Swiss have decided to change them.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun May 19, 2019 3:21 pm

Kowani wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Restrictions on rights are always bad.

Nah.
Rights are what society decides they are, nothing more-and it seems that the Swiss have decided to change them.

Rights begin in the state of nature. The Swiss have not done themselves any favors by limiting their own rights.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 19, 2019 3:21 pm

Kowani wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Restrictions on rights are always bad.

Nah.
Rights are what society decides they are, nothing more-and it seems that the Swiss have decided to change them.


If they can be changed and revoked on a whim they aren't rights but privileges.

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Postby Kowani » Sun May 19, 2019 3:27 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Nah.
Rights are what society decides they are, nothing more-and it seems that the Swiss have decided to change them.

Rights begin in the state of nature. The Swiss have not done themselves any favors by limiting their own rights.

The State of Nature never existed, it is a philosophical construct with no basis in reality.

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Kowani wrote:Nah.
Rights are what society decides they are, nothing more-and it seems that the Swiss have decided to change them.


If they can be changed and revoked on a whim they aren't rights but privileges.

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Postby Licana » Sun May 19, 2019 3:28 pm

Kowani wrote:

Good for the Swiss.

>getting strongarmed by foreign pressures is a good thing
I don't understand why everyone was freaking out about muh russia then
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Vitaphone Racing wrote:Do lets. I really want to hear another explanation about dirty vaginas keeping women out of combat, despite the vagina being a self-cleaning organ.

So was the M-16.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun May 19, 2019 3:31 pm

Kowani wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Rights begin in the state of nature. The Swiss have not done themselves any favors by limiting their own rights.

The State of Nature never existed, it is a philosophical construct with no basis in reality.

I define the state of nature as existing before organized societies/civilization.
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 19, 2019 3:32 pm

Licana wrote:
Kowani wrote:Good for the Swiss.

>getting strongarmed by foreign pressures is a good thing
I don't understand why everyone was freaking out about muh russia then

…Because Russia’s are clandestine interventions with the end goal of undermining the national government, and considering the end result of the referendum, it seems popular with the people.
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Seangoli wrote:You are spouting nonsensical drivel with no coherent thought, little logic, and at the end of it all just angry opining at the clouds based on a truly astonishly low level of knowledge or understanding of the subject matter.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 19, 2019 3:33 pm

Kowani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
If they can be changed and revoked on a whim they aren't rights but privileges.

I believe my sig covers this one.


That's a dangerous path to go down friend.

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