Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Washington Resistance Army]

The fire rises.

Missouri is best state now.

It's a growing trend and it's wonderful. I know there's a similar bill in the works in Texas that would prevent all federal gun laws from applying to the state and would make it a crime for local or state level officials to assist groups like the ATF with in state investigations.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The fire rises.

Does this mean the NFA is null and void in Missouri?

If it gets signed into law, yes. It explicitly makes a jab at the NFA by mentioning taxes and stamp requirements. You'd still be committing a federal law if you made an MG in MO but it would largely be unenforceable without local help.

[Free Arabian Nation]

Does this mean the NFA is null and void in Missouri?

If it gets signed into law, yes. It explicitly makes a jab at the NFA by mentioning taxes and stamp requirements. You'd still be committing a federal law if you made an MG in MO but it would largely be unenforceable without local help.

I love America now.

[Phoenicaea]

^ ..pardon, i m not within this issue and i won t discuss it, nevertheless: i saw the italic paragraph in the article cited some posts ago, and i was wondering.

the paragraph you are dabating and it was supposed to be a proposal of state law, it reminds me 'executive orders' forged in my country: it doesn t make sense.

it is not a law, it is a.. rethorical and poor 'shout', seriously: does it may have a legal validity? how could, what doesn t mean, it doesn t mean anything.

i m questioning about some things i see from abroad, aso you also may are filled of laws that have no significance. it is a discovery for me.

[Washington Resistance Army]

^ ..pardon, i m not within this issue and i won t discuss it, nevertheless: i saw the italic paragraph in the article cited some posts ago, and i was wondering.

the paragraph you are dabating and it was supposed to be a proposal of state law, it reminds me 'executive orders' forged in my country: it doesn t make sense.

it is not a law, it is a.. rethorical and poor hurling, seriously: does it may have a legal validity? how could, what doesn t mean, it doesn t mean anything.

i m questioning about some things i see from abroad, aso you also may are filled of laws that doesn t mean anything. it is a discovery for me.

It does have legal basis, yes. While federal gun laws will still exist and you would still be committing federal crimes by violating them the Missouri state government will simply not enforce them and will not assist the FBI or ATF in prosecuting you. A similar thing happened in Kansas where people could freely do whatever they wanted with guns and the only people who get in trouble were those who very publicly advertised they were not following said federal laws.

[The Emerald Legion]

^ ..pardon, i m not within this issue and i won t discuss it, nevertheless: i saw the italic paragraph in the article cited some posts ago, and i was wondering.

the paragraph you are dabating and it was supposed to be a proposal of state law, it reminds me 'executive orders' forged in my country: it doesn t make sense.

it is not a law, it is a.. rethorical and poor hurling, seriously: does it may have a legal validity? how could, what doesn t mean, it doesn t mean anything.

i m questioning about some things i see from abroad, aso you also may are filled of laws that doesn t mean anything. it is a discovery for me.

It does have legal basis, yes. While federal gun laws will still exist and you would still be committing federal crimes by violating them the Missouri state government will simply not enforce them and will not assist the FBI or ATF in prosecuting you. A similar thing happened in Kansas where people could freely do whatever they wanted with guns and the only people who get in trouble were those who very publicly advertised they were not following said federal laws.

This seems to take non-enforcement a step further, by making enforcing the federal laws a state crime.

So not only will they not help, but they will arrest you for attempting to enforce the law.

[Telconi]

It does have legal basis, yes. While federal gun laws will still exist and you would still be committing federal crimes by violating them the Missouri state government will simply not enforce them and will not assist the FBI or ATF in prosecuting you. A similar thing happened in Kansas where people could freely do whatever they wanted with guns and the only people who get in trouble were those who very publicly advertised they were not following said federal laws.

This seems to take non-enforcement a step further, by making enforcing the federal laws a state crime.

So not only will they not help, but they will arrest you for attempting to enforce the law.

Federal agents aren't immune to state laws.

[The Emerald Legion]

This seems to take non-enforcement a step further, by making enforcing the federal laws a state crime.

So not only will they not help, but they will arrest you for attempting to enforce the law.

Federal agents aren't immune to state laws.

That's what I'm saying. So basically the ATF can no longer operate in Missouri if this passes.

[Shanhwa]

Federal agents aren't immune to state laws.

That's what I'm saying. So basically the ATF can no longer operate in Missouri if this passes.

And dogs across Missouri barked with joy...

[The Chuck]

*pops Johnny Cash's version of the "Missouri Waltz" onto the record player...* Got to love the "Show Me" State... I hope Mike Parson has the balls to do this.

[Pax Nerdvana]

The fire rises.

I should move to Missouri, or alternatively, the rest of the US could do the same thing.

[Gig em Aggies]

The fire rises.

I should move to Missouri, or alternatively, the rest of the US could do the same thing.

one thing that I have questions after reading this is what do the two bills say about those who should not have fire arms such as under age persons or convicted felons or those charged with child abuse and domestic violence charges?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I should move to Missouri, or alternatively, the rest of the US could do the same thing.

one thing that I have questions after reading this is what do the two bills say about those who should not have fire arms such as under age persons or convicted felons or those charged with child abuse and domestic violence charges?

Presumably covered by state laws already.

[Free Arabian Nation]

The fire rises.

I should move to Missouri, or alternatively, the rest of the US could do the same thing.

Or, we could make a literal interpretation of "Shall not be infringed" and remove all gun control laws and enforce gun rights all over the world.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I should move to Missouri, or alternatively, the rest of the US could do the same thing.

Or, we could make a literal interpretation of "Shall not be infringed" and remove all gun control laws and enforce gun rights all over the world.

Yes please! Than we'll see what happens to all those dictatorships. They'd have a real revolution on their hands.

[Gig em Aggies]

Or, we could make a literal interpretation of "Shall not be infringed" and remove all gun control laws and enforce gun rights all over the world.

Yes please! Than we'll see what happens to all those dictatorships. They'd have a real revolution on their hands.

and this shall be our banner https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://pics.me.me/has-anyone-hold-on-seen-america-i-got-this-odo-1552952.png&imgrefurl=https://me.me/i/has-anyone-hold-on-seen-america-i-got-this-odo-1018023&docid=hUgm3HyICSTXOM&tbnid=5JV3btcS0QKU6M:&vet=1&w=500&h=554&source=sh/x/im

[The Two Jerseys]

Federal agents aren't immune to state laws.

That's what I'm saying. So basically the ATF can no longer operate in Missouri if this passes.

They can though. In re Neagle established that federal agents carrying out their duties with "reasonable belief" that their actions are "necessary and proper" have immunity from state law.

[The Emerald Legion]

That's what I'm saying. So basically the ATF can no longer operate in Missouri if this passes.

They can though. In re Neagle established that federal agents carrying out their duties with "reasonable belief" that their actions are "necessary and proper" have immunity from state law.

The law outright mentions and negates that.

[The Two Jerseys]

They can though. In re Neagle established that federal agents carrying out their duties with "reasonable belief" that their actions are "necessary and proper" have immunity from state law.

The law outright mentions and negates that.

Doesn't matter, the courts have repeatedly ruled that nullification won't fly.

[Telconi]

That's what I'm saying. So basically the ATF can no longer operate in Missouri if this passes.

They can though. In re Neagle established that federal agents carrying out their duties with "reasonable belief" that their actions are "necessary and proper" have immunity from state law.

Who determines rather a belief is reasonable?

[The Two Jerseys]

They can though. In re Neagle established that federal agents carrying out their duties with "reasonable belief" that their actions are "necessary and proper" have immunity from state law.

Who determines rather a belief is reasonable?

The reasonable person test.

[Yusseria]

Missouri is best state now.

It's a growing trend and it's wonderful. I know there's a similar bill in the works in Texas that would prevent all federal gun laws from applying to the state and would make it a crime for local or state level officials to assist groups like the ATF with in state investigations.

I hear some counties in Northern California are trying to become gun sanctuaries.

A funny conservative twist on sanctuary cities.

[The Emerald Legion]

The law outright mentions and negates that.

Doesn't matter, the courts have repeatedly ruled that nullification won't fly.

And this matters because? If they've acknowledged this and said "I don't care." that means they probably aren't going to listen when the courts tell them to stop arresting ATF officers. Authority only works when people acknowledge it. When unacknowledged it doesn't exist.

The Bill outright says it doesn't believe the federal governemnt has the authority to create or enforce such laws, that they are unconstitutional, and then goes on to nullify them within the state of Missouri, as unconstitutional.

[The Two Jerseys]

Doesn't matter, the courts have repeatedly ruled that nullification won't fly.

And this matters because? If they've acknowledged this and said "I don't care." that means they probably aren't going to listen when the courts tell them to stop arresting ATF officers. Authority only works when people acknowledge it. When unacknowledged it doesn't exist.

The Bill outright says it doesn't believe the federal governemnt has the authority to create or enforce such laws, that they are unconstitutional, and then goes on to nullify them within the state of Missouri, as unconstitutional.

And when Missouri law enforcement starts arresting ATF agents, the US Marshals come to arrest them.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

And this matters because? If they've acknowledged this and said "I don't care." that means they probably aren't going to listen when the courts tell them to stop arresting ATF officers. Authority only works when people acknowledge it. When unacknowledged it doesn't exist.

The Bill outright says it doesn't believe the federal governemnt has the authority to create or enforce such laws, that they are unconstitutional, and then goes on to nullify them within the state of Missouri, as unconstitutional.

And when Missouri law enforcement starts arresting ATF agents, the US Marshals come to arrest them.

And then it becomes a supreme court case as to whether or not the ATF is constitutional.

Pass the popcorn, this is going to hit NSG levels of silly.