Gun Control III - the Gunnening

[Washington Resistance Army]

You sure as shit helped.

Which party holds congress and the White House? Democrats can't do shit until the midterms.

Shame you guys are authoritarians too and I have no reasons to vote for you and at least a few to vote for the other guy¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Isn't politics fun?

[Telconi]

I can't speak for Telconi, but WRA, from my experience with him, isn't a huge fan of the GOP either, by any stretch.

His policies aren't far from the GOP, as far as I've seen. But prove me wrong.

>Negative tax rates aren't far from the GOP
>Universal state funded healthcare isn't far from the GOP
>Essentially un-restricted immigration isn't far from the GOP

yeah, okay buddy...

[United Citizens of North America]

That's what I was saying. His gun policies are as far right as they go, but I don't know what he thinks on healthcare, immigration, etc.

I'm a civil libertarian before anything else, some of the most common complaints people have about my beliefs are that I want too much freedom.

I agree with most libertarians on social issues, but I think that things can be restricted if they can take away the life of another (without reasonable needn(hunting guns, pistols for self defense).

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm a civil libertarian before anything else, some of the most common complaints people have about my beliefs are that I want too much freedom.

I agree with most libertarians on social issues, but I think that things can be restricted if they can take away the life of another (without reasonable needn(hunting guns, pistols for self defense).

No. The only time it's acceptable to do that is in response to an individual committing a crime.

[Telconi]

I'm a civil libertarian before anything else, some of the most common complaints people have about my beliefs are that I want too much freedom.

I agree with most libertarians on social issues, but I think that things can be restricted if they can take away the life of another (without reasonable needn(hunting guns, pistols for self defense).

I do have a reasonable need for weaponry.

[Telconi]

I agree with most libertarians on social issues, but I think that things can be restricted if they can take away the life of another (without reasonable needn(hunting guns, pistols for self defense).

No. The only time it's acceptable to do that is in response to an individual committing a crime.

Also this, taking from people who have done nothing wrong is authoritarian as hell.

[United Citizens of North America]

Which party holds congress and the White House? Democrats can't do shit until the midterms.

Shame you guys are authoritarians too and I have no reasons to vote for you and at least a few to vote for the other guy¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Isn't politics fun?

Ah, politics is fun.

One of my reasons to vote for my guys is that Trump is walking dumpster fire as president (i don't want to get into specifics, it's off topic). But I do like the deficit hawk beliefs of the old guard GOP.

[Valgora]

Shame you guys are authoritarians too and I have no reasons to vote for you and at least a few to vote for the other guy¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Isn't politics fun?

Ah, politics is fun.

One of my reasons to vote for my guys is that Trump is walking dumpster fire as president (i don't want to get into specifics, it's off topic). But I do like the deficit hawk beliefs of the old guard GOP.

Fuck your guys.
I hate the Democratic Party and Trump being in office ain't going to change that.

[The Two Jerseys]

I'm a civil libertarian before anything else, some of the most common complaints people have about my beliefs are that I want too much freedom.

I agree with most libertarians on social issues, but I think that things can be restricted if they can take away the life of another (without reasonable needn(hunting guns, pistols for self defense).

Far more murders are committed with handguns than with semi-automatic rifles.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

[United Citizens of North America]

No. The only time it's acceptable to do that is in response to an individual committing a crime.

Also this, taking from people who have done nothing wrong is authoritarian as hell.

Yet you would have supported taking guns from the Pulse or Parkland shooters before they commited a crime, correct?

[Telconi]

Also this, taking from people who have done nothing wrong is authoritarian as hell.

Yet you would have supported taking guns from the Pulse or Parkland shooters before they commited a crime, correct?

If there was reasonable belief that they were going to do such a thing, sure.

[United Citizens of North America]

Far more murders are committed with handguns than with semi-automatic rifles.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

You can't stop many handgun murders, but you can stop mass shootings using high-level weaponry, and that is what I am focused on.

[United Citizens of North America]

Ah, politics is fun.

One of my reasons to vote for my guys is that Trump is walking dumpster fire as president (i don't want to get into specifics, it's off topic). But I do like the deficit hawk beliefs of the old guard GOP.

Fuck your guys.
I hate the Democratic Party and Trump being in office ain't going to change that.

The First Amendment is a great thing.

[Telconi]

Far more murders are committed with handguns than with semi-automatic rifles.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

You can't stop many handgun murders, but you can stop mass shootings using high-level weaponry, and that is what I am focused on.

How can these both be true?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Shame you guys are authoritarians too and I have no reasons to vote for you and at least a few to vote for the other guy¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Isn't politics fun?

Ah, politics is fun.

One of my reasons to vote for my guys is that Trump is walking dumpster fire as president (i don't want to get into specifics, it's off topic). But I do like the deficit hawk beliefs of the old guard GOP.

From where I'm standing your guys are just as bad as Trump and they don't offer me anything unlike the GOP.

Also this, taking from people who have done nothing wrong is authoritarian as hell.

Yet you would have supported taking guns from the Pulse or Parkland shooters before they commited a crime, correct?

At least for the Parkland case there was plenty of laws that could have been used to legally prevent him from owning weaponry. Of course the government is incompetent at every level and failed to do anything so that didn't happen.

[United Citizens of North America]

Yet you would have supported taking guns from the Pulse or Parkland shooters before they commited a crime, correct?

If there was reasonable belief that they were going to do such a thing, sure.

That is exactly the problem. Many of these loners are hard to spot. The only surefire way to prevent them from causing a shooting is to prevent the acquisition of certain military-grade weapons.

[United Citizens of North America]

You can't stop many handgun murders, but you can stop mass shootings using high-level weaponry, and that is what I am focused on.

How can these both be true?

The only way to stop handgun murders is to ban them, which i'm opposed to. Banning high-level weaponry has less negatives and will drastically reduce mass shootings.

[Mujahidah]

How can these both be true?

The only way to stop handgun murders is to ban them, which i'm opposed to. Banning high-level weaponry has less negatives and will drastically reduce mass shootings.

What even is "High-Level Weaponry?" That is literally a term I have never heard in my life.

[Washington Resistance Army]

How can these both be true?

The only way to stop handgun murders is to ban them, which i'm opposed to. Banning high-level weaponry has less negatives and will drastically reduce mass shootings.

There's no evidence for that claim.

[Telconi]

If there was reasonable belief that they were going to do such a thing, sure.

That is exactly the problem. Many of these loners are hard to spot. The only surefire way to prevent them from causing a shooting is to prevent the acquisition of certain military-grade weapons.

And the only surefire way to prevent forcible penetrative rape is to surgically remove the penis of everyone...

Why don't we do that?

[The Two Jerseys]

Far more murders are committed with handguns than with semi-automatic rifles.

You're barking up the wrong tree.

You can't stop many handgun murders, but you can stop mass shootings using high-level weaponry, and that is what I am focused on.

So you're busy patrolling for icebergs while pirates run amok attacking ships?

[United Citizens of North America]

At least for the Parkland case there was plenty of laws that could have been used to legally prevent him from owning weaponry. Of course the government is incompetent at every level and failed to do anything so that didn't happen.

There was no law preventing him from owning that AR-15. If a law was passed, then he wouldn't had it in the first place. Now you cannot get one until you are 21, but I feel that there is no way to prevent shooters getting them unless they ban these guns in their entirety.

[United Citizens of North America]

That is exactly the problem. Many of these loners are hard to spot. The only surefire way to prevent them from causing a shooting is to prevent the acquisition of certain military-grade weapons.

And the only surefire way to prevent forcible penetrative rape is to surgically remove the penis of everyone...

Why don't we do that?

that is not even close to relevant.

[United Citizens of North America]

The only way to stop handgun murders is to ban them, which i'm opposed to. Banning high-level weaponry has less negatives and will drastically reduce mass shootings.

There's no evidence for that claim.

Because, in the US at least, the CDC cannot research gun death correlations.

[The Two Jerseys]

If there was reasonable belief that they were going to do such a thing, sure.

That is exactly the problem. Many of these loners are hard to spot. The only surefire way to prevent them from causing a shooting is to prevent the acquisition of certain military-grade weapons.

But not functionally-identical weapons that have wooden stocks instead of plastic...