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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:30 pm
by Greater vakolicci haven
Just don't ban any guns anywhere. Simple.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:32 pm
by Grinning Dragon
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Just don't ban/regulate any firearms anywhere. Simple.

FTFY. 8)

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:35 pm
by Greater vakolicci haven
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Just don't ban/regulate any firearms anywhere. Simple.

FTFY. 8)

Yes, thanks, that works better.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:40 pm
by Telconi
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Just don't ban/regulate any firearms anywhere. Simple.

FTFY. 8)


I would like my guns proofed, thank you.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:06 pm
by The Two Jerseys
Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:I like the disclaimer at the end.

Gotta make sure a CYA is included to appease them lawyer types.

I meant the warning about the BATFE(&RLF) coming to your house to shoot your dog.
Sovaal wrote:I wonder if the ranch style Mini 14 will be exempt by name while the “tactical versions” banned.

I'm surprised AR manufacturers never jumped on that bandwagon to stick it to the grabbers...

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:47 am
by Grinning Dragon
Well now I wonder how well this is going to go over.
ATF: No, Queer People Can’t Refuse to Identify as Male or Female When Buying a Gun
The link below has a bit more A's n Q's to and from the BATFe (and really big fires)
ATF: Gun Dealers Cannot Transfer Firearms to Genderqueers Who Fail to Check ‘Male’ or ‘Female’ on 4473s

Aside from the above, does it really matter what sex a person is and what color he or she is when buying a firearm? IMO, the sex and race/color need to be dropped from the 4473s, it really serves no purpose.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:11 am
by Pax Nerdvana
Grinning Dragon wrote:Well now I wonder how well this is going to go over.
ATF: No, Queer People Can’t Refuse to Identify as Male or Female When Buying a Gun
The link below has a bit more A's n Q's to and from the BATFe (and really big fires)
ATF: Gun Dealers Cannot Transfer Firearms to Genderqueers Who Fail to Check ‘Male’ or ‘Female’ on 4473s

Aside from the above, does it really matter what sex a person is and what color he or she is when buying a firearm? IMO, the sex and race/color need to be dropped from the 4473s, it really serves no purpose.

I think it's likely done to make it easier for the government to track people.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:17 am
by Grinning Dragon
Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Well now I wonder how well this is going to go over.
ATF: No, Queer People Can’t Refuse to Identify as Male or Female When Buying a Gun
The link below has a bit more A's n Q's to and from the BATFe (and really big fires)
ATF: Gun Dealers Cannot Transfer Firearms to Genderqueers Who Fail to Check ‘Male’ or ‘Female’ on 4473s

Aside from the above, does it really matter what sex a person is and what color he or she is when buying a firearm? IMO, the sex and race/color need to be dropped from the 4473s, it really serves no purpose.

I think it's likely done to make it easier for the government to track people.

More likely it's for the bean counters to put numbers to group X, because putting Americans in columns and boxes it important when buying a firearm. /S

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:26 am
by Pax Nerdvana
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:I think it's likely done to make it easier for the government to track people.

More likely it's for the bean counters to put numbers to group X, because putting Americans in columns and boxes it important when buying a firearm. /S

It's also plausible that the government just loves paperwork.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:16 pm
by Gig em Aggies
Pax Nerdvana wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:More likely it's for the bean counters to put numbers to group X, because putting Americans in columns and boxes it important when buying a firearm. /S

It's also plausible that the government just loves paperwork.

I bet this is in someone's government office
Image

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:45 pm
by Pax Nerdvana
Gig em Aggies wrote:
Pax Nerdvana wrote:It's also plausible that the government just loves paperwork.

I bet this is in someone's government office
Image

Definitely.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:51 pm
by Greater vakolicci haven
My solution would be to get rid of the form entirely. Just make guns like any normal purchase.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:38 pm
by Grinning Dragon
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:My solution would be to get rid of the form entirely. Just make guns like any normal purchase.

I like this idea, put it back to the way it was. Walk in, tell clerk you like that one, give clerk money, leave with purchase.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:45 pm
by Gig em Aggies
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:My solution would be to get rid of the form entirely. Just make guns like any normal purchase.

I like this idea, put it back to the way it was. Walk in, tell clerk you like that one, give clerk money, leave with purchase.

Or how about this one we do like family guy where the gang goes to Texas and Brian buys a beer and the clerk gives him a free gun sure it would be a pseudo must be 21 gun law but still.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:51 pm
by Gun Manufacturers
Gig em Aggies wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I like this idea, put it back to the way it was. Walk in, tell clerk you like that one, give clerk money, leave with purchase.

Or how about this one we do like family guy where the gang goes to Texas and Brian buys a beer and the clerk gives him a free gun sure it would be a pseudo must be 21 gun law but still.


Hey, I see a compromise being offered by our side. Lets see if the antis are willing to go along with it.

:D

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:15 pm
by Grinning Dragon
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:Or how about this one we do like family guy where the gang goes to Texas and Brian buys a beer and the clerk gives him a free gun sure it would be a pseudo must be 21 gun law but still.


Hey, I see a compromise being offered by our side. Lets see if the antis are willing to go along with it.

:D

Then lower the drinking age to 18 to make it even better.

May be of some interest to a few....
The U.S. Department of Justice just published the results of an interesting survey. The Bureau of Justice Statistics polled state and federal prisoners in 2016 asking how they acquired and used firearms in the commission of the crime(s) for which they were convicted.
Felons, Feinstein and Facts: How Criminals Get and Use Their Guns
Check out the full report

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:40 pm
by Greater vakolicci haven
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Hey, I see a compromise being offered by our side. Lets see if the antis are willing to go along with it.

:D

Then lower the drinking age to 18 to make it even better.

May be of some interest to a few....
The U.S. Department of Justice just published the results of an interesting survey. The Bureau of Justice Statistics polled state and federal prisoners in 2016 asking how they acquired and used firearms in the commission of the crime(s) for which they were convicted.
Felons, Feinstein and Facts: How Criminals Get and Use Their Guns
Check out the full report

It probably surprises nobody that I don't support a drinking age either.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:55 am
by Grinning Dragon
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Then lower the drinking age to 18 to make it even better.

May be of some interest to a few....
The U.S. Department of Justice just published the results of an interesting survey. The Bureau of Justice Statistics polled state and federal prisoners in 2016 asking how they acquired and used firearms in the commission of the crime(s) for which they were convicted.
Felons, Feinstein and Facts: How Criminals Get and Use Their Guns
Check out the full report

It probably surprises nobody that I don't support a drinking age either.

I don't either, but it would seem we are in a tiny minority.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:30 pm
by Scomagia
Grinning Dragon wrote:Well now I wonder how well this is going to go over.
ATF: No, Queer People Can’t Refuse to Identify as Male or Female When Buying a Gun
The link below has a bit more A's n Q's to and from the BATFe (and really big fires)
ATF: Gun Dealers Cannot Transfer Firearms to Genderqueers Who Fail to Check ‘Male’ or ‘Female’ on 4473s

Aside from the above, does it really matter what sex a person is and what color he or she is when buying a firearm? IMO, the sex and race/color need to be dropped from the 4473s, it really serves no purpose.

I agree. It's a pointless question. I also think the question regarding drug use/dependence is stupid and has no business being asked.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:10 pm
by The Two Jerseys
Scomagia wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Well now I wonder how well this is going to go over.
ATF: No, Queer People Can’t Refuse to Identify as Male or Female When Buying a Gun
The link below has a bit more A's n Q's to and from the BATFe (and really big fires)
ATF: Gun Dealers Cannot Transfer Firearms to Genderqueers Who Fail to Check ‘Male’ or ‘Female’ on 4473s

Aside from the above, does it really matter what sex a person is and what color he or she is when buying a firearm? IMO, the sex and race/color need to be dropped from the 4473s, it really serves no purpose.

I agree. It's a pointless question. I also think the question regarding drug use/dependence is stupid and has no business being asked.

One could at least make an argument that someone with a drug habit would be more likely to commit a crime to feed said habit and should therefore deserve extra scrutiny.

But yeah, the sex and race questions are pretty stupid, unless the government is building sort of some secret gun owner database...

PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:23 pm
by Fartsniffage
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:It probably surprises nobody that I don't support a drinking age either.

I don't either, but it would seem we are in a tiny minority.


Wait...do you mean drinking age or purchasing age?

PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:53 pm
by Gig em Aggies
Fartsniffage wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I don't either, but it would seem we are in a tiny minority.


Wait...do you mean drinking age or purchasing age?

We'll cant purchase w/o being 21 that's why I said to have when you buy a beer you get a free gun because it's a pseudo must be 21+ law that the left wants.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:17 am
by Pax Nerdvana
The Two Jerseys wrote:
Scomagia wrote:I agree. It's a pointless question. I also think the question regarding drug use/dependence is stupid and has no business being asked.

One could at least make an argument that someone with a drug habit would be more likely to commit a crime to feed said habit and should therefore deserve extra scrutiny.

But yeah, the sex and race questions are pretty stupid, unless the government is building sort of some secret gun owner database...

They probably are, tbh.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 1:28 pm
by Fartsniffage
Gig em Aggies wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Wait...do you mean drinking age or purchasing age?

We'll cant purchase w/o being 21 that's why I said to have when you buy a beer you get a free gun because it's a pseudo must be 21+ law that the left wants.


I was just talking about booze for a moment.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:16 pm
by Grinning Dragon
In another episode of you can't stop the signal.
New Legal Armor Piercing Handgun Round Announced ~ VIDEO
A libertarian aerospace engineer named Austin Thomas Jones didn't like the fact that the government had access to the armored piercing handguns rounds, but the government prevented the general public from owning them. He viewed the law as tyrannical.

Jones has designed soft armor for combat sports. He developed micrometeoroid shielding for soft-bodied spacecraft such as modules for the International Space Station. Micrometeoroid moves at speeds that far exceeds that of bullets, and the strength of the material must be far superior to that of soft body armor.

The work of Defense Distributed on 3D printed firearms inspired Jones to take action to use science to defeat the armored piercing bullet ban. He read through the law and noticed that only certain metals were banned from use in bullets. He thought he could defeat draconian law by simply finding a material that wasn’t banned by the law and designing a superior projectile....

It is about fighting back and making gun control obsolete which is the same goal as Defense Distributed. In the same vein as releasing the 3D gun files online, Atlas Arms will make their designs open source to the general public. They will allow anyone with the will and the means to produce the rounds including home reloaders. Within the year after Atlas Arms carries out all safety testing, all data will be released to the world.